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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 20:29:19 GMT
Do you know what? I really don't give a monkeys on the particualr formation we play with. Up until about 6 games ago, whichever formation we utilised, we played great football, along the ground to feet. It was a joy to watch, fast, incisive, delicate at times, but always producing results. I also appreciate we have been a little flakey at the back all season. BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED? Sundays game was the epitome of the last 6 or 7, no movement from players, no urgency to play, lumping that damned crossfield ball high in the air from left back to front right, or right back to front left. For Gods sake, we were playing a bunch of overtall mutants last Sunday, they picked off everything, Why have we reverted back to that crud? Why when the last 2 subs were made, and Gaffers could hardly walk, wasn't he taken off? If everyone in the crowd could see it, why couldn't the bench? What has changed and why? Any ideas? Its the same group of players that were playing great football earlier in the season. It is clear to me, that something else is going on behind the scenes. I just don't know what. So, It is clear to you that something else is going on behind the scenes? But you havent a clue what it is? LOL, stirring the pot much?
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Post by aghast on Dec 6, 2016 21:50:56 GMT
I thought from the first post, where someone said something like "I'd be quite happy with a mid table finish in L1, then rebuild the team and push on for a Championship slot in two years or so" that it wouldn't go well if that actually happened.
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Post by hardingegas on Dec 6, 2016 23:20:18 GMT
4-4-2 & 5-3-2 surely out of date? Most top sides (including international teams) play 4-2-3-1. Ward tried it but didn't have the personnel to play it (Clarkson as a wide man?). We'd all like to see wingers but you only really need one to make it work. So pick any one from Montano, Bodin or Moore. It's a throwback to the old 4-3-3 in the 70's (if anyone can remember) when most teams used one out & out winger like Robertson at Forest, Hinton at Derby, Gray at Leeds, Morley at Villa etc - we even had Dobson as the main provider in 73-74. So why haven't we tried it? Still has the ghost of Ward hanging over him? Try this: Roos Leadbitter Lockyer Hartley Brown Sinclair Boateng Gaffney Lines Montano Taylor
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2016 0:25:08 GMT
4-4-2 & 5-3-2 surely out of date? Most top sides (including international teams) play 4-2-3-1. Ward tried it but didn't have the personnel to play it (Clarkson as a wide man?). We'd all like to see wingers but you only really need one to make it work. So pick any one from Montano, Bodin or Moore. It's a throwback to the old 4-3-3 in the 70's (if anyone can remember) when most teams used one out & out winger like Robertson at Forest, Hinton at Derby, Gray at Leeds, Morley at Villa etc - we even had Dobson as the main provider in 73-74. So why haven't we tried it? Still has the ghost of Ward hanging over him? Try this: Roos Leadbitter Lockyer Hartley Brown Sinclair Boateng Gaffney Lines Montano Taylor Tbf the team at the top of the Premier League play 5-3-2 every match, so not sure it's too out of date. But I'd also like to see us give 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 a try. _____________Roos Leadbitter_Lockyer_Hartley_Brown _____________Clarke _______Sinclair_____Boateng Bodin_______Gaffney_____Taylor
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Post by stigofthegas on Dec 7, 2016 0:52:39 GMT
The trouble with 442 is that we just don't have a strong enough CM pairing for league 1. We always get overrun and sometimes demolished in there by quality league 1 midfields.
352 is not about the 4 or 3 at the back. It's about having 3 in the middle as we we aren't good enough to play with 2. Simple as that.
Boateng was brought in for that purpose but doesn't do the hard yards off the ball that is required. That's why he isn't playing.
451 is a possibility but it's tough to keep 2 up front and fill the midfield.
Better centre mids is what is required.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 2:06:00 GMT
The trouble with 442 is that we just don't have a strong enough CM pairing for league 1. We always get overrun and sometimes demolished in there by quality league 1 midfields. 352 is not about the 4 or 3 at the back. It's about having 3 in the middle as we we aren't good enough to play with 2. Simple as that. Boateng was brought in for that purpose but doesn't do the hard yards off the ball that is required. That's why he isn't playing. 451 is a possibility but it's tough to keep 2 up front and fill the midfield. Better centre mids is what is required. football has evolved into trying to dominate the midfield in better class football its true,even if you have better midfield players if your outnumbered you might struggle there are exceptions of course,i think burnley played 2 up front in last years promotion. i would like to see dc stick with a formation for a sustained period whichever one he goes for to be honest.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 7, 2016 6:25:05 GMT
Do you know what? I really don't give a monkeys on the particualr formation we play with. Up until about 6 games ago, whichever formation we utilised, we played great football, along the ground to feet. It was a joy to watch, fast, incisive, delicate at times, but always producing results. I also appreciate we have been a little flakey at the back all season. BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED? Sundays game was the epitome of the last 6 or 7, no movement from players, no urgency to play, lumping that damned crossfield ball high in the air from left back to front right, or right back to front left. For Gods sake, we were playing a bunch of overtall mutants last Sunday, they picked off everything, Why have we reverted back to that crud? Why when the last 2 subs were made, and Gaffers could hardly walk, wasn't he taken off? If everyone in the crowd could see it, why couldn't the bench? What has changed and why? Any ideas? Its the same group of players that were playing great football earlier in the season. It is clear to me, that something else is going on behind the scenes. I just don't know what. So, It is clear to you that something else is going on behind the scenes? But you havent a clue what it is? LOL, stirring the pot much? Thankyou! f**k me we actually agree! It must be christmas...
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 7, 2016 6:26:18 GMT
4-4-2 & 5-3-2 surely out of date? Most top sides (including international teams) play 4-2-3-1. Ward tried it but didn't have the personnel to play it (Clarkson as a wide man?). We'd all like to see wingers but you only really need one to make it work. So pick any one from Montano, Bodin or Moore. It's a throwback to the old 4-3-3 in the 70's (if anyone can remember) when most teams used one out & out winger like Robertson at Forest, Hinton at Derby, Gray at Leeds, Morley at Villa etc - we even had Dobson as the main provider in 73-74. So why haven't we tried it? Still has the ghost of Ward hanging over him? Try this: Roos Leadbitter Lockyer Hartley Brown Sinclair Boateng Gaffney Lines Montano Taylor Tbf the team at the top of the Premier League play 5-3-2 every match, so not sure it's too out of date. But I'd also like to see us give 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 a try. _____________Roos Leadbitter_Lockyer_Hartley_Brown _____________Clarke _______Sinclair_____Boateng Bodin_______Gaffney_____Taylor Where's Lines?!
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 7, 2016 8:32:55 GMT
Clarke - Sinclair - Boateng that CM would struggle in the National League! Still can't understand why DC doesn't give Mansell a start alongside Lines as can he be any worse?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2016 8:38:17 GMT
Tbf the team at the top of the Premier League play 5-3-2 every match, so not sure it's too out of date. But I'd also like to see us give 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 a try. _____________Roos Leadbitter_Lockyer_Hartley_Brown _____________Clarke _______Sinclair_____Boateng Bodin_______Gaffney_____Taylor Where's Lines?! Oh yeah. Stick him in there for Boateng.
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2016 8:47:15 GMT
Clarke - Sinclair - Boateng that CM would struggle in the National League! Still can't understand why DC doesn't give Mansell a start alongside Lines as can he be any worse? Clarke - Sinclair (who was very good for us in L2 last year) - Boateng (who was very good for Plymouth in L2 last year) would struggle in the Conference? Not having that. Judging by DC's post-match Barrow interview I think we may see Mansell given a chance this month.
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Post by Gasshole on Dec 7, 2016 8:57:43 GMT
We used to play a 4-2-4 at primary school, won more than we lost. Give it a nudge eh. Mind you we had a kid up front with freckles who could run faster than a grown assed man, scored a ton of goals.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 9:36:26 GMT
Read the book Danish Dynamite about the Danes in World Cup 1986 - the Danes formation ended up as 2-3-5 in the 1-5 defeat to the Spanish (sound familiar?)
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 7, 2016 11:27:22 GMT
Do you know what? I really don't give a monkeys on the particualr formation we play with. Up until about 6 games ago, whichever formation we utilised, we played great football, along the ground to feet. It was a joy to watch, fast, incisive, delicate at times, but always producing results. I also appreciate we have been a little flakey at the back all season. BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED? Sundays game was the epitome of the last 6 or 7, no movement from players, no urgency to play, lumping that damned crossfield ball high in the air from left back to front right, or right back to front left. For Gods sake, we were playing a bunch of overtall mutants last Sunday, they picked off everything, Why have we reverted back to that crud? Why when the last 2 subs were made, and Gaffers could hardly walk, wasn't he taken off? If everyone in the crowd could see it, why couldn't the bench? What has changed and why? Any ideas? Its the same group of players that were playing great football earlier in the season. It is clear to me, that something else is going on behind the scenes. I just don't know what. @northside Gas northsidegas
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 7, 2016 13:27:55 GMT
We need to get back to basics. W-M next game please ffs.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 7, 2016 13:30:39 GMT
4-4-2 & 5-3-2 surely out of date? Most top sides (including international teams) play 4-2-3-1. Ward tried it but didn't have the personnel to play it (Clarkson as a wide man?). We'd all like to see wingers but you only really need one to make it work. So pick any one from Montano, Bodin or Moore. It's a throwback to the old 4-3-3 in the 70's (if anyone can remember) when most teams used one out & out winger like Robertson at Forest, Hinton at Derby, Gray at Leeds, Morley at Villa etc - we even had Dobson as the main provider in 73-74. So why haven't we tried it? Still has the ghost of Ward hanging over him? Try this: Roos Leadbitter Lockyer Hartley Brown Sinclair Boateng Gaffney Lines Montano Taylor Tbf the team at the top of the Premier League play 5-3-2 every match, so not sure it's too out of date. But I'd also like to see us give 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 a try. _____________Roos Leadbitter_Lockyer_Hartley_Brown _____________Clarke _______Sinclair_____Boateng Bodin_______Gaffney_____Taylor We tried that in couple of games, with Harrison in the middle and Taylor where you've got Bodin.
We just banged it long, because we were outnumbered in the middle. Great if you're dominating possession with gifted passers, if you're not then you just end up smashing it.
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Post by peterparker on Dec 7, 2016 13:40:44 GMT
"There is one of two in the group that are not showing the right character. They have done ever so well for me for two-and-a-half years but one or two might be coming to the end of the road if they don't start improving. Nothing to do with the formation their in? He also said the buck stops with him and his staff? I'm saying he's blamed both his players and himself, not just the players yeah but that's doesn't fir the narrative
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2016 14:57:15 GMT
Tbf the team at the top of the Premier League play 5-3-2 every match, so not sure it's too out of date. But I'd also like to see us give 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 a try. _____________Roos Leadbitter_Lockyer_Hartley_Brown _____________Clarke _______Sinclair_____Boateng Bodin_______Gaffney_____Taylor We tried that in couple of games, with Harrison in the middle and Taylor where you've got Bodin.
We just banged it long, because we were outnumbered in the middle. Great if you're dominating possession with gifted passers, if you're not then you just end up smashing it.
You shouldn't be outnumbered in the middle with 3 CMs though - especially against teams playing 4-4-2 with only 2 CMs. Think we'll see a new CM arrive in Jan anyway.
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Post by faggotygas on Dec 7, 2016 16:41:10 GMT
We tried that in couple of games, with Harrison in the middle and Taylor where you've got Bodin.
We just banged it long, because we were outnumbered in the middle. Great if you're dominating possession with gifted passers, if you're not then you just end up smashing it.
You shouldn't be outnumbered in the middle with 3 CMs though - especially against teams playing 4-4-2 with only 2 CMs. Think we'll see a new CM arrive in Jan anyway. Wingers are almost always wide midfielders nowadays, so you have 4v3 against you. And yes, you're right about needing an out and out defensive midfielder - for the sake of squad balance as much as anything else.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 7, 2016 20:26:17 GMT
Clarke - Sinclair - Boateng that CM would struggle in the National League! Still can't understand why DC doesn't give Mansell a start alongside Lines as can he be any worse? Clarke - Sinclair (who was very good for us in L2 last year) - Boateng (who was very good for Plymouth in L2 last year) would struggle in the Conference? Not having that. Judging by DC's post-match Barrow interview I think we may see Mansell given a chance this month. As Sincs been any better for us than he was in the Conference, where he also ran around a lot, Boateng was been mainly useless at the Mem you, given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team.
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