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Post by Deleted on Dec 7, 2016 21:58:58 GMT
Clarke - Sinclair (who was very good for us in L2 last year) - Boateng (who was very good for Plymouth in L2 last year) would struggle in the Conference? Not having that. Judging by DC's post-match Barrow interview I think we may see Mansell given a chance this month. As Sincs been any better for us than he was in the Conference, where he also ran around a lot, Boateng was been mainly useless at the Mem you, given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team. shouldnt footballers runaround a lot? whats the problem with that? he tackles too is that bad? he passes to our players also is that wrong? he never stops trying,what a useless ass****. you couldnt make it up really could you?
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 7, 2016 23:09:07 GMT
Clarke - Sinclair (who was very good for us in L2 last year) - Boateng (who was very good for Plymouth in L2 last year) would struggle in the Conference? Not having that. Judging by DC's post-match Barrow interview I think we may see Mansell given a chance this month. given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team. Chelsea only just managed to scrape past us in the League Cup this season - does that mean their midfield would be average in League One? Come on...
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Post by dinsdale on Dec 8, 2016 5:38:36 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet?? James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats... I hate 3-5-2 as its really 5 defenders plus a very defensive midfield. Never really works
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 5:52:19 GMT
The trouble with 442 is that we just don't have a strong enough CM pairing for league 1. We always get overrun and sometimes demolished in there by quality league 1 midfields. 352 is not about the 4 or 3 at the back. It's about having 3 in the middle as we we aren't good enough to play with 2. Simple as that. Boateng was brought in for that purpose but doesn't do the hard yards off the ball that is required. That's why he isn't playing. 451 is a possibility but it's tough to keep 2 up front and fill the midfield. Better centre mids is what is required. This. We play 352 and 442 out of neccisity. We are punching 2 leagues above our squads weight and are newcomers to L1. Some teams would have dicked us over if we stuck 2 in the middle. You need a really special box to box player to play it. Stuart Campbell was one of the finest we had in recent years. I don't even really prefer 442. 90s football, attack the channels, get crossss in. We got lots of crossss in against Charlton didn't we? It was like a modern team v a 90s team.
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Post by dinsdale on Dec 8, 2016 5:59:45 GMT
4-5-1 that turns into 4-3-3 on the front foot would be good
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2016 8:22:42 GMT
given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team. Chelsea only just managed to scrape past us in the League Cup this season - does that mean their midfield would be average in League One? Come on... Fortunately, we didn't have a CM of Clarke/Sincs/Boateng at Chelsea who were the 3 players I was referring to, it'll be interesting to see where those three finish up in years to come.
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Post by lpgas on Dec 8, 2016 11:19:08 GMT
Sunday he went 5=3=2 to 4=4=2 to 4=3=3 He goes from one to another because 5-3-2 doesn't work, he then goes to the other formations in desperation. 4-4-2 with some kick arse defenders rather then the pansies that currently play.
Regarding Sinclair. injured we got promotion to the league. injured we got promotion to Div one. Not saying he is a bad player, but maybe we just play better without him. I certainly think we are more disciplined without him as he runs all over the pitch he leaves gaping holes in midfield which other teams exploit
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2016 12:36:04 GMT
As Sincs been any better for us than he was in the Conference, where he also ran around a lot, Boateng was been mainly useless at the Mem you, given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team. shouldnt footballers runaround a lot? whats the problem with that? he tackles too is that bad? he passes to our players also is that wrong? he never stops trying,what a useless ass****. you couldnt make it up really could you? A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league.
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Dec 8, 2016 13:00:05 GMT
shouldnt footballers runaround a lot? whats the problem with that? he tackles too is that bad? he passes to our players also is that wrong? he never stops trying,what a useless ass****. you couldnt make it up really could you? A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league. IMO first name on the team sheet ........Fear The Beard.....UTG
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Post by socrates on Dec 8, 2016 13:14:29 GMT
A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league. IMO first name on the team sheet ........Fear The Beard.....UTG Kettle not the first then ?
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Post by Newton Abbot Gas on Dec 8, 2016 17:07:37 GMT
IMO first name on the team sheet ........Fear The Beard.....UTG Kettle not the first then ? The Kettle is usually on the subs bench but it's form has been very hit and miss this season,but like The Beard always gives 100%.Lets hope the second half of the season it produces the form from the last two seasons..........UTG
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2016 17:54:50 GMT
shouldnt footballers runaround a lot? whats the problem with that? he tackles too is that bad? he passes to our players also is that wrong? he never stops trying,what a useless ass****. you couldnt make it up really could you? A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league. There's more to football than covering every blade of grass every game? If Sincs is so good why didn't we seem to miss me in either of our promotion seasons?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:22:04 GMT
A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league. There's more to football than covering every blade of grass every game? If Sincs is so good why didn't we seem to miss me in either of our promotion seasons? That is a fair point but Sinclair does what is asked of him. Closing down play,snapping at the opposition and all heart for 90 minutes. Just a shame certain other players are not able to do the simple things on the pitch as well.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Dec 8, 2016 18:26:52 GMT
A team of Stuart Sinclairs would win the champions league. There's more to football than covering every blade of grass every game? If Sincs is so good why didn't we seem to miss me in either of our promotion seasons? Stu?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 8, 2016 19:03:29 GMT
There's more to football than covering every blade of grass every game? If Sincs is so good why didn't we seem to miss me in either of our promotion seasons? That is a fair point but Sinclair does what is asked of him. Closing down play,snapping at the opposition and all heart for 90 minutes. Just a shame certain other players are not able to do the simple things on the pitch as well. I think running around liked a crazed dog is the easy bit, it's the stuff the others have to do which is the hard part. I can't recall many games where Lines & Sincs together have dominated midfield, even in the previous two seasons.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 19:52:55 GMT
That is a fair point but Sinclair does what is asked of him. Closing down play,snapping at the opposition and all heart for 90 minutes. Just a shame certain other players are not able to do the simple things on the pitch as well. I think running around liked a crazed dog is the easy bit, it's the stuff the others have to do which is the hard part. I can't recall many games where Lines & Sincs together have dominated midfield, even in the previous two seasons. And they say Darrel Clarke is clueless. You never cease to amaze,I'll give you that.
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Post by Congas on Dec 8, 2016 21:00:46 GMT
Conte's taken Chelsea to the top of the Prem since changing to 3-4-3. You need three dynamite attackers though...
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Post by socrates on Dec 9, 2016 0:51:06 GMT
Conte's taken Chelsea to the top of the Prem since changing to 3-4-3. You need three dynamite attackers though...[/quote Thing is those players are world class players , you won't see many teams play that way in league 1 and there's a reason for that it's so much harder to make obscure formations work with players of lesser technique and tactical know how. Conte has got a world class staff around him we've got Marcus and Steve , great servants to the club but how many times did DCor those two play 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 ? Probably not much. We've had the majority of our success these last two years playing 4-4-2 with lines and Mansel in the middle with wingers and overlapping full backs. We've still got lines we've still got the full backs and wingers , I think we need to replace Mansel if he's not available or play him if he is and he can hack it at this level and we'll be fine. We just need a strong experienced holding midfielder to sit in front of the back four and organise things, it's what we've missed this season more than anything. As for the wingers I honestly believe Bodin and montano are good enough for his level but haven't produced the good this season because neither of them have been given enough of a run. Bodin was arguably our best player in the second half of last season, the reason he wasn't in the first half ? Perhaps because he was in and out of the side and not getting a run of games ? A holding midfielder in January to replace or rotate with Mansel and a winger to challenge Bodin and montano and 4-4-2 will see us challenge for the play offs this season. 3-5-2 or 3-4-3 won't in my opinion and we''ll more likely end up in a relegation battle.
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Post by philbemmygas on Dec 9, 2016 7:50:45 GMT
Similar thing was going through my mind... However How many other people on this forum will understand that train of thought though!? That's what I wondered. Evidently you guys do. Whoo whoo, all change
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 9, 2016 8:38:27 GMT
As Sincs been any better for us than he was in the Conference, where he also ran around a lot, Boateng was been mainly useless at the Mem you, given Barrow beat us on Sunday I'd stick with my view those three would struggle in the Conference where Barrow was hardly the strongest team. shouldnt footballers runaround a lot? whats the problem with that? he tackles too is that bad? he passes to our players also is that wrong? he never stops trying,what a useless ass****. you couldnt make it up really could you? I think you need to see the bigger picture, with Sincs in the team for the previous two seasons we haven't been great, probably mid table, but with a midfield pairing of Lines & Manse we've probably been the form team of the division in the second half of the season. Nobody is saying Sincs is useless the problem is he doesn't fit into our team alongside Lines as well as Manse does, or at least a Manse type player, there must be a reason DC brought in two new CM's, Colkett & Boateng but neither of those have replaced Manse.
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