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Post by gaffers on Dec 6, 2016 12:28:54 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet?? James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats...
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Post by thegasman on Dec 6, 2016 12:42:06 GMT
Do you know what? I really don't give a monkeys on the particualr formation we play with. Up until about 6 games ago, whichever formation we utilised, we played great football, along the ground to feet. It was a joy to watch, fast, incisive, delicate at times, but always producing results. I also appreciate we have been a little flakey at the back all season. BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED? Sundays game was the epitome of the last 6 or 7, no movement from players, no urgency to play, lumping that damned crossfield ball high in the air from left back to front right, or right back to front left. For Gods sake, we were playing a bunch of overtall mutants last Sunday, they picked off everything, Why have we reverted back to that crud? Why when the last 2 subs were made, and Gaffers could hardly walk, wasn't he taken off? If everyone in the crowd could see it, why couldn't the bench?
What has changed and why? Any ideas?
Its the same group of players that were playing great football earlier in the season. It is clear to me, that something else is going on behind the scenes. I just don't know what.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 6, 2016 12:56:58 GMT
Do you know what? I really don't give a monkeys on the particualr formation we play with. Up until about 6 games ago, whichever formation we utilised, we played great football, along the ground to feet. It was a joy to watch, fast, incisive, delicate at times, but always producing results. I also appreciate we have been a little flakey at the back all season. BUT WHAT THE HELL HAS HAPPENED? Sundays game was the epitome of the last 6 or 7, no movement from players, no urgency to play, lumping that damned crossfield ball high in the air from left back to front right, or right back to front left. For Gods sake, we were playing a bunch of overtall mutants last Sunday, they picked off everything, Why have we reverted back to that crud? Why when the last 2 subs were made, and Gaffers could hardly walk, wasn't he taken off? If everyone in the crowd could see it, why couldn't the bench? What has changed and why? Any ideas? Its the same group of players that were playing great football earlier in the season. It is clear to me, that something else is going on behind the scenes. I just don't know what. If there isn't a rumour then make one up! A few bad results and all of a sudden something is going on behind the scenes! Ever heard of a poor run of form/lack of confidence?
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 6, 2016 13:18:05 GMT
What ever as happened seems to happen every season around this time, we just have to hope DC, with Wael's backing, can turn things around for the third season running.
In the meantime it seems pointless saying which formation we suits us best as DC/MS & SY must surely have similar discussions before a match, rather than just pull a formation out of a hat for each game?
One major problem of 4-4-2 is the lack of a decent RW as BB & BM struggle for any form. I'd stick Leadbitter there and tell him to play as a winger with Roberts or JC behind him, surely he can't do any worse than no RW?
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 6, 2016 13:33:23 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet?? James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats... He hasn't just blamed the players and made them scapegoats, he's said a few times that it stops with him and it's his fault as well. People need to stop saying all DC is doing is blaming players.
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Post by gaffers on Dec 6, 2016 14:07:18 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet?? James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats... He hasn't just blamed the players and made them scapegoats, he's said a few times that it stops with him and it's his fault as well. People need to stop saying all DC is doing is blaming players. "There is one of two in the group that are not showing the right character. They have done ever so well for me for two-and-a-half years but one or two might be coming to the end of the road if they don't start improving. Nothing to do with the formation their in?
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 6, 2016 14:19:00 GMT
He hasn't just blamed the players and made them scapegoats, he's said a few times that it stops with him and it's his fault as well. People need to stop saying all DC is doing is blaming players. "There is one of two in the group that are not showing the right character. They have done ever so well for me for two-and-a-half years but one or two might be coming to the end of the road if they don't start improving. Nothing to do with the formation their in? He also said the buck stops with him and his staff? I'm saying he's blamed both his players and himself, not just the players
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Post by gaffers on Dec 6, 2016 14:20:25 GMT
He hasn't just blamed the players and made them scapegoats, he's said a few times that it stops with him and it's his fault as well. People need to stop saying all DC is doing is blaming players. "There is one of two in the group that are not showing the right character. They have done ever so well for me for two-and-a-half years but one or two might be coming to the end of the road if they don't start improving. Nothing to do with the formation their in? As in he's happy to say his players let him down but he should say he's got the formation wrong and he'll work with the players to change it and find consistentsey!!!!
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Post by oddsongas on Dec 6, 2016 14:22:24 GMT
"There is one of two in the group that are not showing the right character. They have done ever so well for me for two-and-a-half years but one or two might be coming to the end of the road if they don't start improving. Nothing to do with the formation their in? As in he's happy to say his players let him down but he should say he's got the formation wrong and he'll work with the players to change it and find consistentsey!!!! Yes, he has got it wrong sometimes this year, but on Sunday you can't say that some players didn't let him down? Most were very poor
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Post by bluegas on Dec 6, 2016 16:05:26 GMT
4-4-2. Allows a wide firebox giving longer range as fire doesn't clinker up so quickly. 4-6-2 is even better.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Dec 6, 2016 16:14:04 GMT
4-4-2. Allows a wide firebox giving longer range as fire doesn't clinker up so quickly. 4-6-2 is even better. But a 4-6-2 would be 13 players with the goalie.
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Post by bluegas on Dec 6, 2016 16:31:05 GMT
4-4-2. Allows a wide firebox giving longer range as fire doesn't clinker up so quickly. 4-6-2 is even better. But a 4-6-2 would be 13 players with the goalie. Damn!!!! Stuffs that then.
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Post by dragonfly on Dec 6, 2016 16:54:32 GMT
But a 4-6-2 would be 13 players with the goalie. Damn!!!! Stuffs that then. I prefer a 9F.
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Post by 31130 on Dec 6, 2016 17:05:14 GMT
Damn!!!! Stuffs that then. I prefer a 9F. Similar thing was going through my mind... However How many other people on this forum will understand that train of thought though!?
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Post by bluegas on Dec 6, 2016 17:09:45 GMT
Similar thing was going through my mind... However How many other people on this forum will understand that train of thought though!? That's what I wondered. Evidently you guys do.
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Post by Thatslife on Dec 6, 2016 17:57:29 GMT
Insecurity could be part of the problem, after all the transfer window opens in a couple of weeks, maybe some can see the writing on the wall. I am no big fan of 3.5.2 but when does work its good to watch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2016 18:17:08 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet??James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats...Players are finding it hard to step up and keep it going on the pitch hence that round football becomes a red hot potato to defenders especially. Get rid quick and all the game plans and team talks go out the window. I don't think Darrel is making players scapegoats, just putting forward how instructions and common sense go out of the window all too easily which has become a habit.
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Post by gaffers on Dec 6, 2016 18:48:17 GMT
My thoughts on the formations Daryl has put his trust in has baffled me and I know people will be saying he's got us up doing this but that is in the past and it's been a great past but that was conference and league 2...league one teams only need a couple of chances to score and that's exactly what's been going on.... 3-5-2 for me doesn't really suit us in this league...if I was a centre forward at that level I would be chomping at the bit seeing the 3 defenders being dragged all over the place or constantly looking around to see how their picking up! So we play 5 in midfield then Lockyer or Clarke get the ball in great space after working hard to get it in the first place then bypass the 5 midfield players and pump it up front to our forwards who aren't great in the air which basically ends up back 3 on the back foot again... You can see gaffney especially and taylor signalling to put it to feet??James Clarke is the worst for this as his thought process is so slow which he ends up giving inside on the edge of our box or thumps it to the opposition?? I personally think 4-4-2 is a best formation for us with attacking full backs ... it's not rocket science we need a solid foundation then build from there and not to blame players like dc has and making scape goats...Players are finding it hard to step up and keep it going on the pitch hence that round football becomes a red hot potato to defenders especially. Get rid quick and all the game plans and team talks go out the window. I don't think Darrel is making players scapegoats, just putting forward how instructions and common sense go out of the window all too easily which has become a habit.
I do agree with you that players like Lockyer do find it easy to thump it up front if in doubt but he did do that last season as well, what winds me up even more is the diagonal thump up front so when it comes back the team is stretched...lines/o Clarke/Sinclair is a bad mix in my eyes...boateng would be a better pic than Clarke... we need to get rid of dead wood like Lawrence/manse/James Clarke/puddy/Harrison...get new blood in and start with a week in week out 4-4-2
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Post by yategas78 on Dec 6, 2016 19:16:44 GMT
Looking grim innit the players we got "aren't up to it" and we can't afford to buy any that are .Sooooooo looking forward to the Transfer Window!!
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Post by paulpirate on Dec 6, 2016 20:04:43 GMT
Don't know how you call mansell deadwood when he hasn't even been tried at this level,I think he's a good player and gets stuck in and passes it forward
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