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Post by pucklegas on Dec 30, 2016 9:40:24 GMT
Hiriam was too inconsistent for me, great on the ball, seemed disinterested at times so talented but not as some had said a DC type.
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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2016 10:02:28 GMT
both players good, lots of potential. wrong team you could say.
Our problems is that we do have lots of non league players who have taken a step up now and and are at a level where they can just about compete.
Boateng and Colckett are used to playing with other players who think in the sane way on the pitch and their footballing intelligence and perception of what around them is much higher. When you have 9 or 10 players in the side who have never been coached by premier league standards there is bound to be a bit of a mismatch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 10:21:18 GMT
both players good, lots of potential. wrong team you could say. Our problems is that we do have lots of non league players who have taken a step up now and and are at a level where they can just about compete. Boateng and Colckett are used to playing with other players who think in the sane way on the pitch and their footballing intelligence and perception of what around them is much higher. When you have 9 or 10 players in the side who have never been coached by premier league standards there is bound to be a bit of a mismatch.
Ok, so why was Boateng so good for Plymouth last season in a lower division?
DC doesn't seem to handle loan players very well and if he doesn't watch it clubs will start to think twice about loaning us any players. Swansea will be one of those clubs im sure.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 30, 2016 10:32:12 GMT
Perhaps it's loan players from Premiership clubs can't handle rag bag Rovers, hence why we need a decent training ground etc, as most players give the impression they've enjoyed their time at Rovers?
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Post by Nortongashead on Dec 30, 2016 10:42:00 GMT
A very good player in possession but found wanting when without the ball. If playing with Linesy need a player who can do the dirty work which Boateng couldn't do in a 4-4-2.
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Post by Squiffy on Dec 30, 2016 10:54:14 GMT
A very good player in possession but found wanting when without the ball. If playing with Linesy need a player who can do the dirty work which Boateng couldn't do in a 4-4-2. ...and probably the reason why he wasn't forcing his way into contention at Palace, and why he was sent out on loan.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:02:30 GMT
premier league chelsea with there crazy rotation,,,kante 17 starts,mikel 16,fabregas 4 and mikel 0 Think you are missing my point. I'm not saying rotation is the way to succes. I actually think the opposite, that conisitency is the best formula in the long run. What I am saying is that if there are too many players who aren't getting a look in, then they will soon get unhappy and cause upset in the squad you mean you feel our squads too big even allowing for the rule changes on loan signings? i do think that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 11:12:41 GMT
must be terrible at chelsea right now all those unhappy players kicking up a fuss and i bet leicester wished they rotated more last season,ok they wouldnt have been champions but all the players who wernt good enough to get in the side would have been much happier I tend to find that players near the top of their profession earning £30-80k a week for sitting on a bench are slightly less miserable and demanding than those who have to feed a family / life / career on £800 a week. 🙂 probably true but i reckon every player wants to start for his team from sea mills park fc to barcelona so its always a problem for a manager. did boateng suffer because of dc"s rotation policy this season? we never saw him have a decent run in the team so its hard to tell imo. to me he looked good and strong on the ball but slow and unaware when our opponents had the ball but hes still very young.
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Post by singupgas on Dec 30, 2016 11:49:46 GMT
both players good, lots of potential. wrong team you could say. Our problems is that we do have lots of non league players who have taken a step up now and and are at a level where they can just about compete. Boateng and Colckett are used to playing with other players who think in the sane way on the pitch and their footballing intelligence and perception of what around them is much higher. When you have 9 or 10 players in the side who have never been coached by premier league standards there is bound to be a bit of a mismatch.
Ok, so why was Boateng so good for Plymouth last season in a lower division?
DC doesn't seem to handle loan players very well and if he doesn't watch it clubs will start to think twice about loaning us any players. Swansea will be one of those clubs im sure.
Boateng hasn't exactly been bad for us, he has hardly played in fact.. Plymouth had a good season last year only missing out on play off. our team for a 10 game period this season had struggled. Also don't agree with not treating Loan players as permanent members. Players are all the same. Waste of time bringing better footballers in and not playing them because it might hurt the lesser players feelings.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 13:26:05 GMT
Ok, so why was Boateng so good for Plymouth last season in a lower division?
DC doesn't seem to handle loan players very well and if he doesn't watch it clubs will start to think twice about loaning us any players. Swansea will be one of those clubs im sure.
Boateng hasn't exactly been bad for us, he has hardly played in fact.. Plymouth had a good season last year only missing out on play off. our team for a 10 game period this season had struggled. Also don't agree with not treating Loan players as permanent members. Players are all the same. Waste of time bringing better footballers in and not playing them because it might hurt the lesser players feelings.
I totally agree, any footballer who has his nose put out of joint because we sign a player in the same position either on loan or permanently is better off not being here anyway.
Im all for unity in the squad but if I was a player moving up levels you would expect there to be changes to keep up, on and off the field.
Montano is another who has been underplayed, being a winger he is going to blow hot and cold but he is always a threat to the opposition.
Back to Boateng I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at another L1 club in Jan and I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing well either, as has been the case with others down the years (Danny Allsopp, Matt Lund, Bobby Z etc).
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Post by WeAreTheGas on Dec 30, 2016 14:05:54 GMT
Sometimes it just doesn't work out for certain players at certain clubs under certain managers in certain systems etc.
Plymouth obviously got more out of Boateng last season than we have this, but we're the L1 club out of the two of us and I don't think there needs to be any 'blame' assigned as to why his loan spell here didn't go as well as expected.
You can scout and watch a player as much as you like, but as a manager you probably only get a true sense of a player's attitude, work ethic, strength of character etc when he's at your club and you see him on a daily basis. Maybe there's something DC has seen in him that he doesn't think fits in here?
Who knows. Let's just try and replace him well in Jan. An experienced and tough CDM would be high on my wish list.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 30, 2016 14:40:03 GMT
Boateng hasn't exactly been bad for us, he has hardly played in fact.. Plymouth had a good season last year only missing out on play off. our team for a 10 game period this season had struggled. Also don't agree with not treating Loan players as permanent members. Players are all the same. Waste of time bringing better footballers in and not playing them because it might hurt the lesser players feelings.
I totally agree, any footballer who has his nose put out of joint because we sign a player in the same position either on loan or permanently is better off not being here anyway.
Im all for unity in the squad but if I was a player moving up levels you would expect there to be changes to keep up, on and off the field.
Montano is another who has been underplayed, being a winger he is going to blow hot and cold but he is always a threat to the opposition.
Back to Boateng I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at another L1 club in Jan and I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing well either, as has been the case with others down the years (Danny Allsopp, Matt Lund, Bobby Z etc).
You can't really say Zamora did well elsewhere as he dropped down a league to play regular football when we had Roberts & co scoring hat fulls of goals for us Ollie would have been mad to play Zamora before he left us, Lund was played regularly whilst here on loan and has hardly been great since he left, I can't even recall what happened to Allsopp? Monty's problem is Bodin's been ill/injured for most of this season so DC's had to play the damn diamond, as there's no other right winger to take BB's place hopefully both wingers will get a decent run now.
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Post by rambo on Dec 30, 2016 14:43:50 GMT
The truth is that under DC very few players actually improve as individuals because they just don't get the chance to get a run of form together unless you happen to be one of the favoured three or four who get the chance to play through a bad performance or even a run of poor performances. Leadbitter - Conference full back Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year Sinclair - Conference midfielder Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge 9 of these 10 were part of a team that beat Coventry City 4-1 last time out. DC doesn't improve players? A late contender for post of the year.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 14:53:32 GMT
I totally agree, any footballer who has his nose put out of joint because we sign a player in the same position either on loan or permanently is better off not being here anyway.
Im all for unity in the squad but if I was a player moving up levels you would expect there to be changes to keep up, on and off the field.
Montano is another who has been underplayed, being a winger he is going to blow hot and cold but he is always a threat to the opposition.
Back to Boateng I wouldn't be surprised to see him back at another L1 club in Jan and I wouldn't be surprised to see him doing well either, as has been the case with others down the years (Danny Allsopp, Matt Lund, Bobby Z etc).
You can't really say Zamora did well elsewhere as he dropped down a league to play regular football when we had Roberts & co scoring hat fulls of goals for us Ollie would have been mad to play Zamora before he left us, Lund was played regularly whilst here on loan and has hardly been great since he left, I can't even recall what happened to Allsopp? Monty's problem is Bodin's been ill/injured for most of this season so DC's had to play the damn diamond, as there's no other right winger to take BB's place hopefully both wingers will get a decent run now.
Allsopp started banging in the goals for Notts County after his loan spell with us finished, and then pretty much everywhere else after that.
As for Zamora, he was scoring for fun at Bath and then Brighton (then 1 division lower) before we sold him. Given he was a future England international he still wasn't given a fair crack even with the strikers we had at that time, surely someone had to see his potential? As I said before, in my view loan players should only be brought in if they are better than the first XI, if not id rather have our own youngsters on the bench.
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Post by LJG on Dec 30, 2016 15:00:35 GMT
Hiriam was too inconsistent for me, great on the ball, seemed disinterested at times so talented but not as some had said a DC type. Since we're playing "Football Pundit Telepathy" I'm going to go with: - Sinclair has been wondering what he'll get for Christmas too much - Lockyer hasn't thought about his dear old Mum enough - and Gaffney is confused about whether or not he should get a dog
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Post by knowall on Dec 30, 2016 15:10:45 GMT
Everybody deserves time to show what they are capable of - something Clarke should be mindful of as he would not be still at Rovers had he not been given time.
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Post by socrates on Dec 30, 2016 15:33:50 GMT
Iw found his signing strange to be honest. He arrived here with rave reviews from the Plymouth fans. Most of the Rovers fans were happy with his signing, but for some strange reason he didn't really get a run of games with us. Hopefully DC has someone lined up and ready to go on Monday. Plymouth play in Lge 2. We play in Lge 1. Maybe that's the issue. I think it really is as simple as that. I'm not surprised Boateng was a class above against teams like Notts county and Wycombe. The likes of Lockyer and Brown were too but they're average league 1 players. The thing Bosteng has got is time and with time he could become a championship player or maybe even Premier league. We'll see.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 30, 2016 17:00:47 GMT
DC is without doubt a great Manager but I will stand by what I have said and has he really been good for individuals. I would say that his big plusses are to get the TEAM to play well and get results but as regards individuals I have added comments next to those mentioned but would ask what DC did for individuals in the case of MOST of the loan players he has ever brought in plus all the summer signings.
Leadbitter - Conference full back - Still not a definite starter under DC Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time.
O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years- Not so sure of that myself as is he any better than when we were last in League 2 and went missing far too often and was inconsistent Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now. Used to score goals regularliy and had goiod qualities which he still has.Cannot really say he is an improved player under DC as he was good when he came toi us. Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year But again has DC improved him as a player., He looked a quality player three years ago who lacked confidence now he looks like he has quality but is not really any better. Sinclair - Conference midfielder -Another player who has been given a lot of game time by DC Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances- Could be far better if given more game time by DC so would not say that DC has improved him and probably very much the opposite.. Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year. Has DC improved him though as had already been shown as being a quality player in the past. Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge- Great at first for us - but has DC improved him as a player (questionable)
Great praise where due for being great at getting results however no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level and this is why at this time I am not totally convinced that he will have a successful "January sale". His record on loans and signings since returning to the League is questionable.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 17:02:47 GMT
Everybody deserves time to show what they are capable of - something Clarke should be mindful of as he would not be still at Rovers had he not been given time. One game away from being sacked by the man who stitched him up a good un, i care to remember. Gun held firmly on the temple, finger on trigger
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Post by socrates on Dec 30, 2016 17:07:12 GMT
DC is without doubt a great Manager but I will stand by what I have said and has he really been good for individuals. I would say that his big plusses are to get the TEAM to play well and get results but as regards individuals I have added comments next to those mentioned but would ask what DC did for individuals in the case of MOST of the loan players he has ever brought in plus all the summer signings. Leadbitter - Conference full back - Still not a definite starter under DC Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years- Not so sure of that myself as is he any better than when we were last in League 2 and went missing far too often and was inconsistent Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now. Used to score goals regularliy and had goiod qualities which he still has.Cannot really say he is an improved player under DC as he was good when he came toi us. Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year But again has DC improved him as a player., He looked a quality player three years ago who lacked confidence now he looks like he has quality but is not really any better. Sinclair - Conference midfielder -Another player who has been given a lot of game time by DC Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances- Could be far better if given more game time by DC so would not say that DC has improved him and probably very much the opposite.. Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year. Has DC improved him though as had already been shown as being a quality player in the past. Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge- Great at first for us - but has DC improved him as a player (questionable) Great praise where due for being great at getting results however no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level and this is why at this time I am not totally convinced that he will have a successful "January sale". His record on loans and signings since returning to the League is questionable. " no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level " We've won back to back promotions and are in the top half of league 1. I'm pretty sure no club out of the 92 has risen as much as us in that time.
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