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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 18:23:08 GMT
DC is without doubt a great Manager but I will stand by what I have said and has he really been good for individuals. I would say that his big plusses are to get the TEAM to play well and get results but as regards individuals I have added comments next to those mentioned but would ask what DC did for individuals in the case of MOST of the loan players he has ever brought in plus all the summer signings. Leadbitter - Conference full back - Still not a definite starter under DC Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years- Not so sure of that myself as is he any better than when we were last in League 2 and went missing far too often and was inconsistent Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now. Used to score goals regularliy and had goiod qualities which he still has.Cannot really say he is an improved player under DC as he was good when he came toi us. Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year But again has DC improved him as a player., He looked a quality player three years ago who lacked confidence now he looks like he has quality but is not really any better. Sinclair - Conference midfielder -Another player who has been given a lot of game time by DC Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances- Could be far better if given more game time by DC so would not say that DC has improved him and probably very much the opposite.. Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year. Has DC improved him though as had already been shown as being a quality player in the past. Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge- Great at first for us - but has DC improved him as a player (questionable) Great praise where due for being great at getting results however no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level and this is why at this time I am not totally convinced that he will have a successful "January sale". His record on loans and signings since returning to the League is questionable. if we got promoted again you would be trotting out the same rubbish next season,it would be "yeah were in the championship but no proof yet he build a team for the premiership" oh and he hasnt improved anyone yet,we still have that conference player leadbitter blah blah.
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 30, 2016 19:06:59 GMT
1973, I am sure that the only thing that holds us back is because DC has been "undermined" by the Owner. By the way my point was not really as regards getting to any level but more towards signings now are essential as we are not capable of getting to the Championship or even improving on our present position without signings so fort the first time since non league his signings now need to be right whether they be loans or permanent. Of course if he again gets the signings wrong then no doubt you will be back with the undermined by the owner tripe.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 20:41:43 GMT
1973, I am sure that the only thing that holds us back is because DC has been "undermined" by the Owner. By the way my point was not really as regards getting to any level but more towards signings now are essential as we are not capable of getting to the Championship or even improving on our present position without signings so fort the first time since non league his signings now need to be right whether they be loans or permanent. Of course if he again gets the signings wrong then no doubt you will be back with the undermined by the owner tripe. i suppose the problem with my "undermined" thread is i shifted the blame from the manager to the owner for our strange recruitment policy pre-season but obviously dc has to take part of the blame or maybe all the blame for the rent-a-kid policy thats failed badly. you dont like the dc style of play or the players that he trusts most and you keep telling us this,actually i would suggest you dont like dc full stop. we do agree on some things like too many changes to the team and playing system and the need to make good signings in january. to improve the team will cost serious money imo at least in terms of salary.
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Post by toddy1953 on Dec 30, 2016 21:26:14 GMT
DC is without doubt a great Manager but I will stand by what I have said and has he really been good for individuals. I would say that his big plusses are to get the TEAM to play well and get results but as regards individuals I have added comments next to those mentioned but would ask what DC did for individuals in the case of MOST of the loan players he has ever brought in plus all the summer signings. Leadbitter - Conference full back - Still not a definite starter under DC Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years- Not so sure of that myself as is he any better than when we were last in League 2 and went missing far too often and was inconsistent Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now. Used to score goals regularliy and had goiod qualities which he still has.Cannot really say he is an improved player under DC as he was good when he came toi us. Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year But again has DC improved him as a player., He looked a quality player three years ago who lacked confidence now he looks like he has quality but is not really any better. Sinclair - Conference midfielder -Another player who has been given a lot of game time by DC Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances- Could be far better if given more game time by DC so would not say that DC has improved him and probably very much the opposite.. Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year. Has DC improved him though as had already been shown as being a quality player in the past. Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge- Great at first for us - but has DC improved him as a player (questionable) Great praise where due for being great at getting results however no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level and this is why at this time I am not totally convinced that he will have a successful "January sale". His record on loans and signings since returning to the League is questionable. Surely that's what the game is about though, it's a Team game. We have had 'talented' Individuals in the past & have got relegated. What he has achieved in the last 2 Seasons has been remarkable. He has brought the club up from its knees, returned us to our natural level & apart from a few bad results Nov/Dec we are holding our own at this level. What must be remembered is that he has also built a good team spirit & a team who play for the shirt. Yes I think we need better players in certain areas but a lot of fans on this forum thought the loan signings were good in the summer, but perhaps some have not performed as expected (Roos as example) & perhaps others don't fit the mould that DC wants in terms of team spirit & attitude. He sees them every day in training & is best placed to judge. As for Boateng, I only saw one decent performance & other times he flattered to deceive, either not fit or not interested, didn't improve the team. If he was played more, would he have made a difference? Who knows, but I am sure if he didn't DC would have copped the flack for picking him.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Dec 30, 2016 22:23:08 GMT
1973, I am sure that the only thing that holds us back is because DC has been "undermined" by the Owner. By the way my point was not really as regards getting to any level but more towards signings now are essential as we are not capable of getting to the Championship or even improving on our present position without signings so fort the first time since non league his signings now need to be right whether they be loans or permanent. Of course if he again gets the signings wrong then no doubt you will be back with the undermined by the owner tripe. i suppose the problem with my "undermined" thread is i shifted the blame from the manager to the owner for our strange recruitment policy pre-season but obviously dc has to take part of the blame or maybe all the blame for the rent-a-kid policy thats failed badly. you dont like the dc style of play or the players that he trusts most and you keep telling us this,actually i would suggest you dont like dc full stop. we do agree on some things like too many changes to the team and playing system and the need to make good signings in january. to improve the team will cost serious money imo at least in terms of salary. Finally an acknowledgment that you were wrong
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 30, 2016 22:24:33 GMT
1973 I do like DC in many ways-not least of all being him telling it like it is after the game (to a limit ie Roos which I think he was wrong to give so much detail) and the way he wants to win every game and so far his results have been fantastic. Personally I feel if we maintain our current position it will be a fantastic achievement. The last thing I would want is him to lose his job. I do not feel his approach is helpful to individual performances and the way they perform which in the majority of cames is inconsistently and I feel his team generally lacks the quality footballers because of this but the fact is he has got fantastic results doing it. As you know I say what I think and I do not feel that he necessarily gets the best he could from players and his signings have ina lot of ways been unsuccessful and this does worry me. I obviously hope he gets it right and manages to not only bring in the quality but also that he manages to use that quality regularly. What I may like must always take second place to results which are the most important thing for the club and long may the great record he have continue for all our sakes. As regards the serious money only time will tell how much our owner puts in and whether he can sensibly put money into the club..by that I mean unlike Mr Pantsdown.(Have I got the name wrong? Oh sorry i'm terrible on names!!)
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 30, 2016 23:05:04 GMT
1973 I do like DC in many ways-not least of all being him telling it like it is after the game (to a limit ie Roos which I think he was wrong to give so much detail) and the way he wants to win every game and so far his results have been fantastic. Personally I feel if we maintain our current position it will be a fantastic achievement. The last thing I would want is him to lose his job. I do not feel his approach is helpful to individual performances and the way they perform which in the majority of cames is inconsistently and I feel his team generally lacks the quality footballers because of this but the fact is he has got fantastic results doing it. As you know I say what I think and I do not feel that he necessarily gets the best he could from players and his signings have ina lot of ways been unsuccessful and this does worry me. I obviously hope he gets it right and manages to not only bring in the quality but also that he manages to use that quality regularly. What I may like must always take second place to results which are the most important thing for the club and long may the great record he have continue for all our sakes. As regards the serious money only time will tell how much our owner puts in and whether he can sensibly put money into the club..by that I mean unlike Mr Pantsdown.(Have I got the name wrong? Oh sorry i'm terrible on names!!) Sorry Steve but your talking nonsense as DC's probably getting more out of his squad of players bar any Rovers manager other than GF Mk1, plus if he's such a poor boss why did most of last seasons squad stay, nobody forced them to sign new contracts, in fact, probably trying to get the best out of the full squad has led to the rotation system which most of us moan about him using!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2016 23:15:52 GMT
i suppose the problem with my "undermined" thread is i shifted the blame from the manager to the owner for our strange recruitment policy pre-season but obviously dc has to take part of the blame or maybe all the blame for the rent-a-kid policy thats failed badly. you dont like the dc style of play or the players that he trusts most and you keep telling us this,actually i would suggest you dont like dc full stop. we do agree on some things like too many changes to the team and playing system and the need to make good signings in january. to improve the team will cost serious money imo at least in terms of salary. Finally an acknowledgment that you were wrong i was wrong to blame it all on wael because dc obviously went along with it,also if we continue to recruit as badly as we have this season it wont matter whose to blame,its the manager who will cop it.
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Post by LJG on Dec 30, 2016 23:34:45 GMT
DC is without doubt a great Manager but I will stand by what I have said and has he really been good for individuals. I would say that his big plusses are to get the TEAM to play well and get results but as regards individuals I have added comments next to those mentioned but would ask what DC did for individuals in the case of MOST of the loan players he has ever brought in plus all the summer signings. Leadbitter - Conference full back - Still not a definite starter under DC Lockyer - struggling in midfield, was moved position to RB then CB- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. O.Clarke - Definitely improved in last few years- Not so sure of that myself as is he any better than when we were last in League 2 and went missing far too often and was inconsistent Taylor - Struggling for form and game time in Conference- Agree but one of the favoured four who HAVE been given time. Lines - Couldn't tackle, was already a good midfielder but definitely more rounded now. Used to score goals regularliy and had goiod qualities which he still has.Cannot really say he is an improved player under DC as he was good when he came toi us. Harrison - Utter shambles at end of 2013-14, great man management and he was pivotal the season after, even last year But again has DC improved him as a player., He looked a quality player three years ago who lacked confidence now he looks like he has quality but is not really any better. Sinclair - Conference midfielder -Another player who has been given a lot of game time by DC Montano - Struggled for form and game time, riddled with controversy at Oldham - given time and has put in performances- Could be far better if given more game time by DC so would not say that DC has improved him and probably very much the opposite.. Bodin - Struggled at Swindon and Northampton, slow start. Was given another chance to prove himself, vital last year. Has DC improved him though as had already been shown as being a quality player in the past. Gaffney - Struggling for form and game time at Cambridge- Great at first for us - but has DC improved him as a player (questionable) Great praise where due for being great at getting results however no proof yet that he can build a team to go to the next level and this is why at this time I am not totally convinced that he will have a successful "January sale". His record on loans and signings since returning to the League is questionable. Is this just you getting all of your worst posts of 2017 out of the way now all in one go?
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Post by stevek192 on Dec 30, 2016 23:57:42 GMT
Your opinion lordjusticegashead to which you are entitled.
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Post by axegas on Dec 31, 2016 15:20:24 GMT
Just signed for Northampton, sounds like he didn't want to extend his loan for us so Darrel let him go early.
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Post by gasandelectricity on Dec 31, 2016 17:15:56 GMT
I expect it was a 50-50 decision from all involved.
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Post by Topper Gas on Dec 31, 2016 19:42:31 GMT
Just signed for Northampton, sounds like he didn't want to extend his loan for us so Darrel let him go early. What's the betting he plays a blinder next Saturday against us?
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Post by lmgas on Dec 31, 2016 19:49:51 GMT
still no great loss, can't carry a hot and cold and sometimes lazy player in cm.
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