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Post by ilysagas on Jan 5, 2017 22:31:58 GMT
I'm feeling the need to post (I do so very rarely) as I want to share that I absolutely support DC and whatever he does throughout this season. I believe in judging a manager annually, or maybe halfway through the season at worst. Not day by day or game by game as seems to be the vogue currently. My logic is that I do not have access to the information needed on a daily, weekly or monthly basis to question his decisions in terms of team selection, transfer dealings etc to make a fair judgement. So instead I choose to assess managers on results over the season.
Based on the last 2 seasons he can do whatever he wants this season and I will only question him at the end if we fail to stay in league 1.
I completely understand that hardly anyone else feels like this based on forum contributions and the moaners at games.
I appreciate my view is just that, mine and a forum is a place for debate but the negativity, recurring criticism and over reacting to team changes over the past 2 months is getting very exasperating to read. Just wanted to put out there that I have utmost respect for DC and he has my total support for the rest of the season come what may. He has earnt it.
I honestly do not expect people to agree with me or my view, but I just felt like putting it out there.
UTG
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Post by BrightonGas on Jan 5, 2017 22:36:13 GMT
Spot on! Wait for the moaners to take issue!
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Post by rambo on Jan 5, 2017 22:39:01 GMT
I agree with you.
Nobody is beyond criticism and everybody will make mistakes and people are allowed to point them out.
I don't agree with his team selection against Charlton but as soon as the final whistle went that was that and I fully trust him with the next game.
I trust him to do what he needs to in January and I trust him with the future of our football club.
He can do pretty much what he wants as far as I'm concerned and I will agree and disagree along the way but the one thing I do know is that his decision making and managerial ability are better than any manager we have had in many a year and certainly better than me or anyone else on this forum.
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Post by blackthorngas on Jan 5, 2017 22:39:08 GMT
Couldn't have put it better myself.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 5, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
Not sure what it is with regular posters like SteveK, Gasincider etc lately but it seems they are confusing DC with the other clowns we've had in charge in the past. So far, DC has never let us down following our relegation, so the over reaction to the defeat at Charlton seems totally OTT.
It seems this forum is turning into a anti Wael/anti DC forum, which is odd given we're just a couple of wins away from a Play Off spot.
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Post by trevorgas on Jan 5, 2017 22:54:24 GMT
Brilliant post by the OP, I've been reading the post's everyday and have been totally gobsmacked. I feel sometimes folk are only happy if we're in a crisis and if they have helped in some small way to engineer it then all the better, bit like an arsonist who stays to watch the fireman put it out.
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Post by Dirt Dogg on Jan 5, 2017 22:55:19 GMT
I always seem to think there's no in between with our supporters.
When we win, we talk of promotion and when we lose we go into meltdown!
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Post by syg on Jan 5, 2017 23:02:08 GMT
I agree.
Fed up with this negative forum and using it less and less.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:23:11 GMT
i 1st watched rovers in 1966 but when i played was a half hearted supporter so im not so good on the twerton era. anyway i liked bill dodgin and don megson and in some ways enjoyed the trollope era but darrell clarke is the best manager we have ever had in my view. hes been fantastic for us and is i believe destined for better things with or without us. however hes made mistakes like everyone does and has copped some negative comments. supporters who made the effort to go to millwall,charlton and other games are allowed to voice there frustrations and despite a prevoius good record on recruitment he has failed this season,yes thats right he has failed. also wael has come into the club and cleared the crisis of debt which is great but we should still be allowed to question him on any given issue shouldnt we? stalin died in 1953,we dont want a dc and wael are always right no matter what regime at rovers do we?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2017 23:25:55 GMT
I quite enjoy a bit of sparring. It would be boring if it was a love in.
As long as it remains a few, and most of us at the games are on the bus, I respect the right for groans on a forum as it gives me contrast and someone to argue with. It's stess therapy to have the odd keyboard war in good spirits, I bear no grudges to anyone
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Post by mehewmagic on Jan 5, 2017 23:43:43 GMT
I agree with you. Nobody is beyond criticism and everybody will make mistakes and people are allowed to point them out. I don't agree with his team selection against Charlton but as soon as the final whistle went that was that and I fully trust him with the next game. I trust him to do what he needs to in January and I trust him with the future of our football club. He can do pretty much what he wants as far as I'm concerned and I will agree and disagree along the way but the one thing I do know is that his decision making and managerial ability are better than any manager we have had in many a year and certainly better than me or anyone else on this forum. Very similar to my gut feeling on Monday. of course I was p'eed off as goal after goal went in, and the radio described the awful defending... but after the end I just thought f* it, I'm not going to get myself worked up over 1 game in Lge 1, especially against a team with a £1m player on the bench, and one left out because he was about to finalise a £10m deal! I know money isn't everything but it is often an indication of a club's support, history, size, potential. The time to get worked up was those sh**ty seasons in Lge 2 (both the 2000's and the 2011-2014 stint) and the decline of the Trollope regime when money was spent, and often spent pretty poorly. DC clearly gets a lot more right than he gets wrong, and that is what a LEAGUE is about (and 1 reason he does so badly in cups). 8 months of games. 46 'projects'. The long game. we lost a battle on monday but not the war. Oh, and BTW, DC knows he has f* ed up a few things this season. He's not daft. he is still only 39 as well...
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 5, 2017 23:47:48 GMT
Most people agree with you, OP! It's fine to have opinions about aspects of his management, of course it is, but the lack of basic trust from some on here, in a man who has taken us so far and continues to do so, is somewhat bewildering.
Shortly after DC took over he said that his work here would not be complete until we are top 10 in division 1. Well here we are in that very place, but hopefully his work with us is nowhere near complete!
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Post by gasincider on Jan 6, 2017 0:47:05 GMT
Not sure what it is with regular posters like SteveK, Gasincider etc lately but it seems they are confusing DC with the other clowns we've had in charge in the past. So far, DC has never let us down following our relegation, so the over reaction to the defeat at Charlton seems totally OTT. It seems this forum is turning into a anti Wael/anti DC forum, which is odd given we're just a couple of wins away from a Play Off spot. This is just laughable. I totally Back our current set up, but if you think all the moaning and groaning is an overreaction to the Charlton defeat then you have no idea what is happening. The set up at Charlton was totally wrong. If it had been a one off, fair enough. It wasn't. It was on the back of four crap away performances in a row during which we didn't seem to have a game plan in any one of them. It seems that away games now are totally experimental. If this was done at home you would perhaps understand more. Im telling you that DC wouldn't dare play the Charlton team at home because he would never get away with it. The players that didn't play were in our end. Shame you weren't there to hear some of the conversations. Furthermore, whilst I can afford the cost of away games probably better than most of our fans, some of them scrimp and save to go to away games. At about £70 or so to go to away games, the last thing you want to see is a reserve side representing us. As for this forum turning against Wael or DC, you are just looking to make headlines again pal. I haven't seen anybody looking to get rid of either. You really must learn to understand the written word. Either that or stop embarrassing yourself with ridiculous attempts at propaganda. If I had no faith in our management I wouldn't be in possession of tickets to the next few away games.
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Post by lulworthgas on Jan 6, 2017 1:09:21 GMT
Agree totally with the op. Remember, no one takes time to log on and post positive things. This forum is busier than its ever been. People love a moan. Depressing but that's how the internet works!
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Post by long john silver on Jan 6, 2017 5:12:07 GMT
Totaly agree many just come here to moan and its been like visiting a mortuary on here the last month or so , personaly i think dc and wael are doing a amazing job.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 6, 2017 6:36:35 GMT
Right someone's got to say it (and let's face it it's usually me )... The truth is I believe that it is a macho thing. I think deep down these people would admit that DC has done a fantastic job but they look for ways to criticise him to make themselves seem superior. It is often the same people that do this. Also the quicker they say this, the quicker they can turn around and say "I told you so" if things do get worse. It is for this reason I will be quick to drag up posts as soon as he gets us back onto winning ways. Not all these people are for this reason, I believe the other reason is that some fans are looking at games on a game by game basis without looking at the big picture. DC is always looking at the big picture IMO which you need to do as a manager. Yes he sometimes gets it wrong but I think he has just about made up for that with the amount of times he gets it right F**k the haters DC Spread the positivity
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Post by Blueside on Jan 6, 2017 7:03:12 GMT
Very similar to my gut feeling on Monday. of course I was p'eed off as goal after goal went in, and the radio described the awful defending... but after the end I just thought f* it, I'm not going to get myself worked up over 1 game in Lge 1, especially against a team with a £1m player on the bench, and one left out because he was about to finalise a £10m deal! I know money isn't everything but it is often an indication of a club's support, history, size, potential. The time to get worked up was those sh**ty seasons in Lge 2 (both the 2000's and the 2011-2014 stint) and the decline of the Trollope regime when money was spent, and often spent pretty poorly. DC clearly gets a lot more right than he gets wrong, and that is what a LEAGUE is about (and 1 reason he does so badly in cups). 8 months of games. 46 'projects'. The long game. we lost a battle on monday but not the war. Oh, and BTW, DC knows he has f* ed up a few things this season. He's not daft. he is still only 39 as well... Agree with most of this, but not the highlighted bit, I think that is part of what many posters don't get: the league isn't 46 projects, It's one project played over 46 games. The aim of the project is to finish the season as high as possible, and that is done by looking at the season long picture and not by being shortsighted. You have to break a few eggs to make an omelette!
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Post by Blueside on Jan 6, 2017 7:06:29 GMT
Agree totally with the op. Remember, no one takes time to log on and post positive things. This forum is busier than its ever been. People love a moan. Depressing but that's how the internet works! I disagree, its not the internet doing that, there have always been people that are happiest when they are moaning and when things are going wrong.
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Post by RD on Jan 6, 2017 7:34:24 GMT
I'm feeling the need to post (I do so very rarely) as I want to share that I absolutely support DC and whatever he does throughout this season. I believe in judging a manager annually, or maybe halfway through the season at worst. Not day by day or game by game as seems to be the vogue currently. My logic is that I do not have access to the information needed on a daily, weekly or monthly basis to question his decisions in terms of team selection, transfer dealings etc to make a fair judgement. So instead I choose to assess managers on results over the season. Based on the last 2 seasons he can do whatever he wants this season and I will only question him at the end if we fail to stay in league 1. I completely understand that hardly anyone else feels like this based on forum contributions and the moaners at games. I appreciate my view is just that, mine and a forum is a place for debate but the negativity, recurring criticism and over reacting to team changes over the past 2 months is getting very exasperating to read. Just wanted to put out there that I have utmost respect for DC and he has my total support for the rest of the season come what may. He has earnt it. I honestly do not expect people to agree with me or my view, but I just felt like putting it out there. UTG Utterly, utterly superb post.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2017 7:35:01 GMT
Right someone's got to say it (and let's face it it's usually me )... The truth is I believe that it is a macho thing. I think deep down these people would admit that DC has done a fantastic job but they look for ways to criticise him to make themselves seem superior. It is often the same people that do this. Also the quicker they say this, the quicker they can turn around and say "I told you so" if things do get worse. It is for this reason I will be quick to drag up posts as soon as he gets us back onto winning ways. Not all these people are for this reason, I believe the other reason is that some fans are looking at games on a game by game basis without looking at the big picture. DC is always looking at the big picture IMO which you need to do as a manager. Yes he sometimes gets it wrong but I think he has just about made up for that with the amount of times he gets it right F**k the haters DC Spread the positivity I totally understand the moans from away games. Whilst fans understand the bigger picture deep down ,they still are paying for a two hour entertainment slot and are travelling a distance to see it. So when the performance is poor fans feel aggrieved ,if the team sheet isn't as they expected they feel deflated [like going up to London to watch a west end play to find the star actors have been replaced by local people] There are people who take a disliking to a person from the outset ,whether that be a manager,player,director or back room staff. When things are going well that dislike is covered over and they sing semi false praises,as in ,they may congratulate the team or club or squad but not that individual. At the base of it though they are waiting for that person to make one error so they can jump on it and thus prove their initial gut feeling was correct. This is human nature. The same occurs in the reverse people take a liking to someone and they will overlook all their flaws and mistakes and it takes major errors for them to reluctantly say the person messed up. This is human nature. DC's major flaw is he isn't afraid to do things. Most managers would be too scared to make changes incase it turned fans against them for dropping favourites or the result might endanger their job. The recent scenario is a good example of this. The majority of managers would have played the same team in both games hoping they would win the first game and maybe get something from the second .They would be fully aware they had a big chance of losing key players to injury be that short or long term. This would be ok though because that could be passed off as bad luck and they could go beg to the chairman for a loan player. The injuries could then be blamed for the defeat or subsequent poor form. DC looks at the bigger picture at the squad across the season and how the squad can perform to its best over that time. He also prefers a home win and an away defeat to two draws. Im not sure whether the team selections were the best option over the two games I think I would have gone lines/Mansell in a 442 at home and then Sinclair/o Clarke/ Lawrence in a 451 at Charlton. Defensively there isn't enough players to do a rotation J Clarke at full back one game and MM at centreback for the other the only changes available [?]
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