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Post by markczgas on Jan 23, 2017 13:10:13 GMT
I've not made an away trip this season but it's on the cards. Really do feel for those that have travelled this season, let down terribly. But, we are where we are so let's keep it going. I was gonna ask if you've been to many away games! Not wishing to start negativity on this thread, or a willy waving super fan contest (bound to happen) but... Surely if all your seeing is the good times at our home games, you're gonna be more content than someone who is being put through the wringer nearly every away game?! Factoring in all the travel, costs, utterly sh** performances etc? I'm sure you are pig sick of seeing us lose so regularly away. A straight question to you - are we being hammered in these games ? We can all see the final score BUT how have we played in these games overall ? Has there been much between the teams we've lost to ? Looking at the highlights - the last 4 away games - Shrewsbury to Walsall have contained some absolute "clangers" by our players. Cheers !
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Post by gasincider on Jan 23, 2017 13:26:03 GMT
Wael said evolution not revolution. Great, everyone says. Until we don't spend a bunch of cash to get somewhere we can't sustain and then they scream that we have no ambition/money. I have no doubt that we will get a new stadium at some point in the nearish future, it's the reason the club was purchased. Absolutely delighted with everything apart from the reaction of some of our fanbase. We won 5-0 last week, and one away defeat sends everyone into meltdown. Get some ****ing patience, jeez. For once, our fans are giving a manager less slack than the red lot. As far as yesterdays game was concerned, there is absolutely nothing DC can do about individual mistakes. He cannot count for Lockyer handing them two chances on a plate. In saying that, I would drop Lockyer for a couple of games now. He no doubt has a great future (and probably present), but he has cost us a few goals this year and a break wouldn't do him any harm. Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division?
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Post by gasincider on Jan 23, 2017 13:39:27 GMT
I'm sure you are pig sick of seeing us lose so regularly away. A straight question to you - are we being hammered in these games ? We can all see the final score BUT how have we played in these games overall ? Has there been much between the teams we've lost to ? Looking at the highlights - the last 4 away games - Shrewsbury to Walsall have contained some absolute "clangers" by our players. Cheers ! Fair question Mark, but I'd turn it on its head and say, if we stopped the clangers, would we have won those games? Millwall No. Player sent off didn't help though. Chesterfield yes, Shrewsbury No. Bloody awful Charlton No. we only played our reserve team Fleetwood No. Didn't press enough to put them under pressure Walsall Yes. All three goals created by us for them. Even then Taylor missed a sitter, but we still didn't press enough. But remember, after 5 in a row it should have been changed, but now Macca has been told he is surplus, and Easter as well. Don't mind that, but Lockyer in my eyes should be nowhere near the team at present. I couldnt even be bothered to comment on Steves assessment after the game. He loves Lines who had a nightmare game with 6 or 7 Hollywood attempts yet again which failed and capped off by giving away a goal yet still gets scored higher than he deserved, but Sinclair who didn't let us down is already on less than 5 before a ball is kicked. I just hope Steve starts to restore his credibility in my eyes as I used to enjoy his reports.
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Post by baggins on Jan 23, 2017 13:40:12 GMT
Wael said evolution not revolution. Great, everyone says. Until we don't spend a bunch of cash to get somewhere we can't sustain and then they scream that we have no ambition/money. I have no doubt that we will get a new stadium at some point in the nearish future, it's the reason the club was purchased. Absolutely delighted with everything apart from the reaction of some of our fanbase. We won 5-0 last week, and one away defeat sends everyone into meltdown. Get some ****ing patience, jeez. For once, our fans are giving a manager less slack than the red lot. As far as yesterdays game was concerned, there is absolutely nothing DC can do about individual mistakes. He cannot count for Lockyer handing them two chances on a plate. In saying that, I would drop Lockyer for a couple of games now. He no doubt has a great future (and probably present), but he has cost us a few goals this year and a break wouldn't do him any harm. Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division? I get your points, but this isn't what this thread is all about. So, give us a thumbs up and tell us you're joining the happy Gas train.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 23, 2017 13:56:15 GMT
Whenever I need to "walk the black dog" I tend to watch some of the You Tube footage of the past couple of seasons. Works a treat.
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Post by baggins on Jan 23, 2017 14:18:03 GMT
Whenever I need to "walk the black dog" I tend to watch some of the You Tube footage of the past couple of seasons. Works a treat. Do that all the time. Rovers 2016 goals, Rovers Grimsby penalty shoot out, DC interview after D&R, Rovers Shrewsbury, hairs on the arms and neck still stand up.
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Post by Marshy on Jan 23, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
Whenever I need to "walk the black dog" I tend to watch some of the You Tube footage of the past couple of seasons. Works a treat. Do that all the time. Rovers 2016 goals, Rovers Grimsby penalty shoot out, DC interview after D&R, Rovers Shrewsbury, hairs on the arms and neck still stand up. I don't think anything could top browners goal against D & R incredible emotions! The Shrewsbury game also sticks in my head Sammy Igoes last minute dribbler and 40 thousand Gasheads sucking the ball into the net! I also had £30 on 3 - 1 @ 20 - 1 on that game, what a day out that was also had a limo for the day great memories.
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Post by Centenary Gas on Jan 23, 2017 15:58:41 GMT
Wael said evolution not revolution. Great, everyone says. Until we don't spend a bunch of cash to get somewhere we can't sustain and then they scream that we have no ambition/money. I have no doubt that we will get a new stadium at some point in the nearish future, it's the reason the club was purchased. Absolutely delighted with everything apart from the reaction of some of our fanbase. We won 5-0 last week, and one away defeat sends everyone into meltdown. Get some ****ing patience, jeez. For once, our fans are giving a manager less slack than the red lot. As far as yesterdays game was concerned, there is absolutely nothing DC can do about individual mistakes. He cannot count for Lockyer handing them two chances on a plate. In saying that, I would drop Lockyer for a couple of games now. He no doubt has a great future (and probably present), but he has cost us a few goals this year and a break wouldn't do him any harm. Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division? Six away defeats on the bounce coupled with about 5 home wins on the bounce. A million miles from sackable, frustrating or not. Dc wasn't quite right with saying a couple of wins or losses and people go nuts, it's now; Win at home "We're only 3 points off the playoffs, we're going up" Lose next game away "DC is out of his depth, the owner isn't investing, this team isn't good enough, I will take safety right now!" The success in the last couple of years has gone to peoples heads. Not so long ago mid table was achievement for the best part of 10 years, and away games were coupled with boring defensive tactics alongside less than 100% effort and defeats.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2017 16:11:13 GMT
So incredibly DC has achieved his target of getting us to a top ten spot in league1,and in the minimum amount of time as well.The people now calling for DC's departure (can't be serious can they?)maybe should have let him know 2 1/2 years ago that his target was not set high enough. If you ain't happy now you ain't gas,simples.
I'm Dam deliriously happy by the way.
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Post by toddy1953 on Jan 23, 2017 18:33:45 GMT
First of all, yes I am still happy. Am I happy that we have not got good results away from home in the last couple of months, no, but am I going to slag off DC or the players? also no. Why? Because I believe they are doing their best & don't deserve the bile spouted about on this forum of late. Is the squad good enough for this league? Yes, our league position tells you this. Is the squad good enough to take us to & survive in the championship? No, we probably need 6 new players & some experience to help the youngsters. I am really pleased that DC has come out and said the plan is to get us into the championship within 3 years, as hopefully it will shut up some of the keyboard managers on here, who because they go to every away game, believe they know better than DC the formation & which players should play & which players he should keep. What do some people expect? Look at Sheffield Utd for arguments sake, they have been in L1 for 6 seasons, they get twice our gate have had established managers / championship players, yet only now are they looking like they might get out of this league. This club has been mis managed for years, dare I say on the pitch it started going pear shaped when Ollie was in charge & couldn't get us into the play offs at least with the team we had then shortly followed by relegation to L2 for the first time. We now have a decent bloke in DC, yes he is inexperienced at this level so will make mistakes along the way, but as I have said before, some people never forgave him for being at the helm when we went down, so whatever, he does will never be right in their eyes. We also seem to have an owner now who wants to take the team in the right direction, but not at any costs. Some fans have become as fickle as those from the 'other team in Bristol' - FFS Get a grip!!!
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Post by You can call me Al. on Jan 23, 2017 18:38:22 GMT
I have to say we seem to have over-reactions on both sides on here. Over-reactions to the results/performances and over-reactions to some of the criticisms. A little toleration is required in my humble opinion.
Whether you are upset at the result or upset at people complaining just chill out a little.
Have a good evening one and all.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 23, 2017 18:41:05 GMT
Wael said evolution not revolution. Great, everyone says. Until we don't spend a bunch of cash to get somewhere we can't sustain and then they scream that we have no ambition/money. I have no doubt that we will get a new stadium at some point in the nearish future, it's the reason the club was purchased. Absolutely delighted with everything apart from the reaction of some of our fanbase. We won 5-0 last week, and one away defeat sends everyone into meltdown. Get some ****ing patience, jeez. For once, our fans are giving a manager less slack than the red lot. As far as yesterdays game was concerned, there is absolutely nothing DC can do about individual mistakes. He cannot count for Lockyer handing them two chances on a plate. In saying that, I would drop Lockyer for a couple of games now. He no doubt has a great future (and probably present), but he has cost us a few goals this year and a break wouldn't do him any harm. Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division? This isn't intended purely as a criticism of this post, but am I the only one who really dislikes this phrase 'should be nowhere near the team at the moment'? It seems to be all the rage, and when used about someone who has been as heroic for us as Tom Lockyer, seems unnecessarily harsh and dismissive. The guy's a legend for what he has done for us in the past two seasons, and was clearly our player of the season last year. He's going through a rough patch and maybe he should be rested, but to say he should be 'nowhere near the team'..... It just gets my goat.
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Post by Okebournegas on Jan 23, 2017 18:50:17 GMT
Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division? This isn't intended purely as a criticism of this post, but am I the only one who really dislikes this phrase 'should be nowhere near the team at the moment'? It seems to be all the rage, and when used about someone who has been as heroic for us as Tom Lockyer, seems unnecessarily harsh and dismissive. The guy's a legend for what he has done for us in the past two seasons, and was clearly our player of the season last year. He's going through a rough patch and maybe he should be rested, but to say he should be 'nowhere near the team'..... It just gets my goat. Here , here . I'm in agreement !
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Post by gasincider on Jan 23, 2017 20:12:57 GMT
Evolution takes donkeys years. It has to be a mix of investment and evolution. Evolution on its own can just as easily mean NO MONEY. And I don't just mean infrastructure. But I agree with not spending big in this window. But keep in mind that everything spent has been generated by the crowds and the Chelsea game. The MSP loan has been transferred to Dwayne Sports and will be repaid by selling the Mem at some point. You say one away defeat. Well I've just seen six on the bounce, so not sure if you are discussing the gas. As far as yesterday's game is concerned, of course there is something DC can do about individual mistakes. Drop the perpetrator. Lockyer has been poor all season, then we sign a kid from Eastleigh who gets rave reviews, then we go to Walsall, and Lockyer still plays, and is still captain, and still makes stupid mistakes. So why sign the kid from Eastleigh if he doesn't warrant a start in the worst defence (just about) in the division? This isn't intended purely as a criticism of this post, but am I the only one who really dislikes this phrase 'should be nowhere near the team at the moment'? It seems to be all the rage, and when used about someone who has been as heroic for us as Tom Lockyer, seems unnecessarily harsh and dismissive. The guy's a legend for what he has done for us in the past two seasons, and was clearly our player of the season last year. He's going through a rough patch and maybe he should be rested, but to say he should be 'nowhere near the team'..... It just gets my goat. All the rage? Haven't seen it used up to now. So he's a legend. So what? Everything achieved up to now by individuals and the team as a whole is now part of a glorious recent history. It counts for nowt into the future. If it did, Macca would still be required. Isn't he a legend as well? As for all this legend crap, talk about over used. You say he's going through a rough patch. It's 6 months. Does that qualify as a rough patch? Poor old Sincs gets called surplus to requirements by some on here but doesn't continually give goals away. Ive never called for getting rid of anyone, but Lockyer needs to be dropped if only for his own good. Or is DC hoping he will have a good game sooner or later in the hope that he can say I told you so? And why sign Partington if he's not better than what we have already (DC's words) but not play him in preference to a decent servant who has lost his way?
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 23, 2017 20:33:29 GMT
Just a thought but if Ellis had missed an open a goal at Shrewsbury, two at Charlton and then one on Saturday would fans be so tolerant as they are with Locks? I do wonder if part of him agreeing to sign a new contract was that his agent insisted he was made captain and would always play when fit, as DC has dropped the likes of Lines and MT after just a coolpe of poor games. I can't really see how continuing to play him is doing his long term confidence any good, as surely it must now be effecting him like it did when PT refused to drop Andy Williams?
I do admire fans who continue to follow Rover away from home, as after wasting my time and money going to two out of the last three I don't intend going to anymore until we learn how to defend.
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Post by You can call me Al. on Jan 23, 2017 20:39:19 GMT
Just a thought but if Ellis had missed an open a goal at Shrewsbury, two at Charlton and then one on Saturday would fans be so tolerant as they are with Locks? I do wonder if part of him agreeing to sign a new contract was that his agent insisted he was made captain and would always play when fit, as DC has dropped the likes of Lines and MT after just a coolpe of poor games. I can't really see how continuing to play him is doing his long term confidence any good, as surely it must now be effecting him like it did when PT refused to drop Andy Williams? I do admire fans who continue to follow Rover away from home, as after wasting my time and money going to two out of the last three I don't intend going to anymore until we learn how to defend. Sorry my good friend i'm not having that. If you think Darrell Clarke would agree to an agent setting up a contract demanding his player plays every game and is captain you really must be living in cloud cuckoo land. And i say that respectfully, i honestly can't see it.
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Post by 2nd May 1990 on Jan 23, 2017 21:30:35 GMT
This isn't intended purely as a criticism of this post, but am I the only one who really dislikes this phrase 'should be nowhere near the team at the moment'? It seems to be all the rage, and when used about someone who has been as heroic for us as Tom Lockyer, seems unnecessarily harsh and dismissive. The guy's a legend for what he has done for us in the past two seasons, and was clearly our player of the season last year. He's going through a rough patch and maybe he should be rested, but to say he should be 'nowhere near the team'..... It just gets my goat. All the rage? Haven't seen it used up to now. So he's a legend. So what? Everything achieved up to now by individuals and the team as a whole is now part of a glorious recent history. It counts for nowt into the future. If it did, Macca would still be required. Isn't he a legend as well? As for all this legend crap, talk about over used. You say he's going through a rough patch. It's 6 months. Does that qualify as a rough patch? Poor old Sincs gets called surplus to requirements by some on here but doesn't continually give goals away. Ive never called for getting rid of anyone, but Lockyer needs to be dropped if only for his own good. Or is DC hoping he will have a good game sooner or later in the hope that he can say I told you so? And why sign Partington if he's not better than what we have already (DC's words) but not play him in preference to a decent servant who has lost his way? It's the language used, not the general point, that I have a problem with. Saying that someone needs to be rested from the team (which I don't necessarily disagree with, for a short period of time) is far different from saying someone should be 'nowhere near the team'. It is, in my opinion, disrespectful and dismissive of a player who doesn't deserve that treatment. I agree that the term legend is overused in modern day parlance. Tom Lockyer is, however, relative to Rovers, a legend. I don't see how this can be disputed. We have had 5 promotions in our history. He has been a big part of two of them and player of the year last year, in a team that achieved something extraordinary by doing the only double promotion in our history. Lockyer performed consistently well wherever he was played at a young age before nailing down his best position, proving his doubters (and there were always plenty) wrong at every stage. Now he has a bad patch he should just be cast aside and should be 'nowhere near the team?' Other posters have made up their minds he is not up to this level. I think that's claptrap. He clearly has a great deal of ability, a fantastic attitude and youth on his side. He'll prove the doubters wrong again.
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Post by slam on Jan 24, 2017 10:08:47 GMT
YES, I am still happy - very happy in fact, and I agree with the majority of the posts on this thread. However, on top of the points already made and despite the recent poor away form, I am happy because watching Bristol Rovers has become so much more FUN. I cant remember a point in my 50 year vocation as a Gashead when it has been more fun!!!!
1. The Atmosphere in and around the Mem is good on matchdays and, whatever you say about the stadium, the new regime has taken steps to make the matchday experience better.
2. The standard of football has improved and, more importantly, the style of play is thoroughly entertaining
3. Despite a number of poor results away from home, I still enjoy the away trips - the atmosphere created by the travelling masses is superb.
Yes, I am Happy
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Post by baggins on Jan 24, 2017 11:10:59 GMT
YES, I am still happy - very happy in fact, and I agree with the majority of the posts on this thread. However, on top of the points already made and despite the recent poor away form, I am happy because watching Bristol Rovers has become so much more FUN. I cant remember a point in my 50 year vocation as a Gashead when it has been more fun!!!! 1. The Atmosphere in and around the Mem is good on matchdays and, whatever you say about the stadium, the new regime has taken steps to make the matchday experience better. 2. The standard of football has improved and, more importantly, the style of play is thoroughly entertaining 3. Despite a number of poor results away from home, I still enjoy the away trips - the atmosphere created by the travelling masses is superb. Yes, I am Happy That's the spirit.
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Post by tommym9 on Jan 24, 2017 13:15:21 GMT
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