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Post by Marshy on Feb 21, 2017 16:34:19 GMT
Worth remembering they are still negotiating not like one has walked away I have spent the last 28 years negotiating with the Mrs, I hope it's not going to go on that long?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2017 18:27:00 GMT
In my opinion, this is taking far to long, and needs to be sorted ASAP. We need the new stadium now. 4 years after planning permission was granted and nothing started - the longest period for any new stadium in the country. Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then?
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Post by aghast on Feb 21, 2017 20:29:31 GMT
In my opinion, this is taking far to long, and needs to be sorted ASAP. We need the new stadium now. 4 years after planning permission was granted and nothing started - the longest period for any new stadium in the country. Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then? You seem to know much more than I do. Apart from wanting to buy the land instead of lease it, I know nothing at all about the new plan, additional facilities and better fan experience. Tell me more. Getting excited now!
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 22, 2017 7:58:39 GMT
Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then? You seem to know much more than I do. Apart from wanting to buy the land instead of lease it, I know nothing at all about the new plan, additional facilities and better fan experience. Tell me more. Getting excited now! it has been confirm that we will be getting a state-of-the-art updated Santa's grotto complete with Air con to cope with Nobby's Love puffs
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 8:03:46 GMT
Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then? You seem to know much more than I do. Apart from wanting to buy the land instead of lease it, I know nothing at all about the new plan, additional facilities and better fan experience. Tell me more. Getting excited now! Did you miss the memo about heated seats, valet parking & Hooters?
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Post by yattongas on Feb 22, 2017 8:20:08 GMT
In my opinion, this is taking far to long, and needs to be sorted ASAP. We need the new stadium now. 4 years after planning permission was granted and nothing started - the longest period for any new stadium in the country. Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then? With respect that's just guess work and supposition on your part.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 22, 2017 8:26:54 GMT
This could well be the Al-Q's vision unfortunately you sense the UWE preferred the version they originally produced with NH, so where the agreement is eventually reached is anybody's guess, assuming the parties can eventually reach an agreement.
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Post by garystash on Feb 22, 2017 9:24:36 GMT
Having thought about this, I've now come to the conclusion that it will be at least August until we hear anything concrete.
If that is the deadline, then both parties are likely to keep on negotiating for a better deal until time runs out.
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Post by Marshy on Feb 22, 2017 9:33:43 GMT
Having thought about this, I've now come to the conclusion that it will be at least August until we hear anything concrete. If that is the deadline, then both parties are likely to keep on negotiating for a better deal until time runs out. I have it on good authority that Noel Edmunds is being drafted in to help out between the 2 parties. It will be a simple question; DEAL or No DEAL !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2017 10:02:28 GMT
Am I the only one worried about the response from UWE? They say they are "keen" on the project. To me, that is not a positive response.
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Post by EastVanGas on Feb 22, 2017 10:19:33 GMT
Am I the only one worried about the response from UWE? They say they are "keen" on the project. To me, that is not a positive response. Keen is positive to me, if they had said "not keen" I would have been more concerned.
I agree that it's not a particularly optimistic statement but I don't see what benefit UWE would have gained from making anything other than this statement, particularly as it's obvious that a deal has not been agreed.
The negotiations are going on behind closed doors and I don't think anyone should read too much into these statements.
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Post by beaver132 on Feb 22, 2017 18:28:46 GMT
Am I the only one worried about the response from UWE? They say they are "keen" on the project. To me, that is not a positive response. Keen is positive to me, if they had said "not keen" I would have been more concerned.
I agree that it's not a particularly optimistic statement but I don't see what benefit UWE would have gained from making anything other than this statement, particularly as it's obvious that a deal has not been agreed.
The negotiations are going on behind closed doors and I don't think anyone should read too much into these statements.
Given the pace of negotiations, I suspect they spent a few months deciding if the doors behind which negotiations would take place should be open, closed or ajar.
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Post by Squiffy on Feb 22, 2017 18:50:43 GMT
Keen is positive to me, if they had said "not keen" I would have been more concerned.
I agree that it's not a particularly optimistic statement but I don't see what benefit UWE would have gained from making anything other than this statement, particularly as it's obvious that a deal has not been agreed.
The negotiations are going on behind closed doors and I don't think anyone should read too much into these statements.
Given the pace of negotiations, I suspect they spent a few months deciding if the doors behind which negotiations would take place should be open, closed or ajar. Maybe they can't decide on the colour of the doors, or alternatively if it's a quartered timber veneer design whether it contravenes equality legislation with regards to the six fingered lot who might frequent the place. Oh hang on a minute, it's a university so obviously not. 😉
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Post by beaver132 on Feb 22, 2017 19:11:42 GMT
Given the pace of negotiations, I suspect they spent a few months deciding if the doors behind which negotiations would take place should be open, closed or ajar. Maybe they can't decide on the colour of the doors, or alternatively if it's a quartered timber veneer design whether it contravenes equality legislation with regards to the six fingered lot who might frequent the place. Oh hang on a minute, it's a university so obviously not. 😉 Ah, now this explains it. As a university they are probably caught up in discourse around the existential quality of the door, and whether it exists as a door, even when it is closed.
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Post by Squiffy on Feb 22, 2017 20:34:13 GMT
Maybe they can't decide on the colour of the doors, or alternatively if it's a quartered timber veneer design whether it contravenes equality legislation with regards to the six fingered lot who might frequent the place. Oh hang on a minute, it's a university so obviously not. 😉 Ah, now this explains it. As a university they are probably caught up in discourse around the existential quality of the door, and whether it exists as a door, even when it is closed. Ok, I'm with you now! It's the, "when is a door not a door?", joke, but they totally missed it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 10:56:38 GMT
Why are you comparing a 'that will do' shell of a stadium under Higgs with complete benefit to the UWE financially, and a carefully thought out plan, with additional facilities to secure the future of the FC as one four year period combined? The two projects and the finer detail differ, a lot, yes PP was granted several years ago on leased land, the plan and vision does not compare to the Higgs version. Personally I would prefer to wait to commence the build that benefits the club, secures its future and gives a much better fan experience, than build a 22k shell with no revenue, its a £50m project with new stakeholders to the previous, in your opinion in what time frame should this have been planned, considered, agreed and built by then? With respect that's just guess work and supposition on your part. If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you!
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 23, 2017 13:30:58 GMT
With respect that's just guess work and supposition on your part. If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you! Can you show us any plans that show the revenue generated by a hotel or leisure facilities will go to Bristol Rovers?
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Post by EastVanGas on Feb 23, 2017 13:43:03 GMT
Having thought about this, I've now come to the conclusion that it will be at least August until we hear anything concrete. If that is the deadline, then both parties are likely to keep on negotiating for a better deal until time runs out. That's what I'm imagining. Or maybe a June/July deal before all the parties break for their summer holiday!
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Post by yattongas on Feb 23, 2017 14:29:05 GMT
With respect that's just guess work and supposition on your part. If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you! Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ?
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 23, 2017 14:30:32 GMT
If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you! Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ? How long is a piece of String ?
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