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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 24, 2017 9:45:09 GMT
I agree with that, not to mention it can potentially help Jordanian Football and certainly will boost his profile there in that respect.
Of course it is a vanity project to a degree, otherwise as investment bankers they wouldn't bother and the Al-Qadi's could do something far better and easier to make money
If it was a vanity project it would have to be a big name Prem club to impress the kind of people that I imagine WAQ mixes with. If it was pure vanity you would buy a Maserati not a Lada! I don't agree. Lots of people have a maserati. Hand build one-offs are much more desirable. |
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Post by BrightonGas on Feb 24, 2017 10:16:35 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets. This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club. In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation. But I might be wrong. Not hung up just fully aware of the 8% don't own (which fans have paid a lot of money for) and the ownership structure Dwane are putting in place. I'm also embarrassed that people can't understand there is a difference between Dwane Sports and the football club which is reinforced every time I read posts like yours. Your embarrassed!! right. You are looking at this the wrong way. You seem to think in your world of entitlement that investors should come in with millions of pounds as a gift to your club and expect nothing in return. That's not how the world works, the discussion isn't "if" there is a difference. Of course they are different, they are different legal entities. The point is....does it matter to the progression of the football club? The people who make money from the hotel or whatever else, will be the people who put the money in obviously. The transaction needs to wash its own face to work, and everyone benefits if its done right, hence the delay. Lets enjoy the ride, before WAQ came along we were going nowhere fast. lets not knock him or what he's trying to do. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 24, 2017 10:36:10 GMT
Not hung up just fully aware of the 8% don't own (which fans have paid a lot of money for) and the ownership structure Dwane are putting in place. I'm also embarrassed that people can't understand there is a difference between Dwane Sports and the football club which is reinforced every time I read posts like yours. Your embarrassed!! right. You are looking at this the wrong way. You seem to think in your world of entitlement that investors should come in with millions of pounds as a gift to your club and expect nothing in return. That's not how the world works, the discussion isn't "if" there is a difference. Of course they are different, they are different legal entities. The point is....does it matter to the progression of the football club? The people who make money from the hotel or whatever else, will be the people who put the money in obviously. The transaction needs to wash its own face to work, and everyone benefits if its done right, hence the delay. Lets enjoy the ride, before WAQ came along we were going nowhere fast. lets not knock him or what he's trying to do. Not what I think at all (though certainly some believe that). What I think is that Wael isn't looking to throw money away and will be speculating to accumulate. Now what I and everyone else don't know is what the plan is to enable him to accumulate. In the short to medium term, at least, I think his intentions and plans will coincide with good intentions for the football club and hopefully for the 8% minority shareholders. What I don't think is that Wael is some closet lifelong fan of the club who will throw good money after bad like a lot of fan owners do. |
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Post by Gas_Quarters on Feb 24, 2017 10:46:42 GMT
Your embarrassed!! right. You are looking at this the wrong way. You seem to think in your world of entitlement that investors should come in with millions of pounds as a gift to your club and expect nothing in return. That's not how the world works, the discussion isn't "if" there is a difference. Of course they are different, they are different legal entities. The point is....does it matter to the progression of the football club? The people who make money from the hotel or whatever else, will be the people who put the money in obviously. The transaction needs to wash its own face to work, and everyone benefits if its done right, hence the delay. Lets enjoy the ride, before WAQ came along we were going nowhere fast. lets not knock him or what he's trying to do. Not what I think at all (though certainly some believe that). What I think is that Wael isn't looking to throw money away and will be speculating to accumulate. Now what I and everyone else don't know is what the plan is to enable him to accumulate. In the short to medium term, at least, I think his intentions and plans will coincide with good intentions for the football club and hopefully for the 8% minority shareholders. What I don't think is that Wael is some closet lifelong fan of the club who will throw good money after bad like a lot of fan owners do.No, and that is a good thing. Football clubs who have owners that do this never benefit in the long run. Having an owner who throws money at players sometimes has short-term success (but not always), and in the long run they normally end up worse off because the spending isn't sustainable. Wael is trying to rebuild this club to a successful one from top to bottom, meaning we could have a sustainable future and success for years to come. And if Wael ends up selling the club for a massive profit in ten years time then I would be more than happy with that, because it means he has moved the club forward and left it in a better state than the one he found it in. UTG! |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2017 12:40:36 GMT
Not what I think at all (though certainly some believe that). What I think is that Wael isn't looking to throw money away and will be speculating to accumulate. Now what I and everyone else don't know is what the plan is to enable him to accumulate. In the short to medium term, at least, I think his intentions and plans will coincide with good intentions for the football club and hopefully for the 8% minority shareholders. What I don't think is that Wael is some closet lifelong fan of the club who will throw good money after bad like a lot of fan owners do.. Having an owner who throws money at players sometimes has short-term success (but not always), and in the long run they normally end up worse off because the spending isn't sustainable. Wael is trying to rebuild this club to a successful one from top to bottom, meaning we could have a sustainable future and success for years to come. And if Wael ends up selling the club for a massive profit in ten years time then I would be more than happy with that, because it means he has moved the club forward and left it in a better state than the one he found it in. UTG! True, Chelsea and Bournemouth are good examples!! As far as the suggestion the Al-Q's plan on building an hotel at the UWE, I've not heard anything along those lines from my source, as Gasincider?, if not, it sounds rubbish to me, unless it's not seen as being Rovers related but a separate project as if the Al-Q's have to wait for further pp then building at the UWE will never get underway by next January. Plus would S Glos even consider giving pp for another hotel in that area given there's already 3 within a mile or so? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:18:59 GMT
Maybe they can't decide on the colour of the doors, or alternatively if it's a quartered timber veneer design whether it contravenes equality legislation with regards to the six fingered lot who might frequent the place. Oh hang on a minute, it's a university so obviously not. 😉 Ah, now this explains it. As a university they are probably caught up in discourse around the existential quality of the door, and whether it exists as a door, even when it is closed. Universities aren't like this anymore. More like if door A could be considered racist and the right for door B to identify as Door C and an exercise in educating students on the intracacies of pronouns for doors. That, and a bit of "no cuts" here and there! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:30:35 GMT
Ah, now this explains it. As a university they are probably caught up in discourse around the existential quality of the door, and whether it exists as a door, even when it is closed. Universities aren't like this anymore. More like if door A could be considered racist and the right for door B to identify as Door C and an exercise in educating students on the intracacies of pronouns for doors. That, and a bit of "no cuts" here and there! The fact you are identifying them as Doors just demonstrate that you're an 'ist'....not yet sure what 'ist' you are, but you are one ! |
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Post by beaver132 on Feb 24, 2017 13:38:45 GMT
Universities aren't like this anymore. More like if door A could be considered racist and the right for door B to identify as Door C and an exercise in educating students on the intracacies of pronouns for doors. That, and a bit of "no cuts" here and there! The fact you are identifying them as Doors just demonstrate that you're an 'ist'....not yet sure what 'ist' you are, but you are one ! Clearly 'Doorist'. That could cause a storm. |
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Post by gregsy on Feb 24, 2017 13:41:24 GMT
where has all this hotel stuff come from, all I've heard about is the stadium.... is there actually any truth or is it Chinese whispers again?  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 13:52:29 GMT
I watched an interview put on BBC the other day, but I think is from the time of the takeover. Was interesting watching it now that the furore of the takeover has died down. Wael says some really interesting things when talking about his motivations behind buying a club. He talks of an "ownership, not an investment", and that he wants to create something for the community. If this guy has sinister intentions with our club then my god he is good at hiding it. And if Dwane Sports are going to make some money that isn't going to be invested in the club then so what? It is not shameful to make a living from something - as long as we're not being ripped off. If anyone is interested in the interview then link is here: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35617294You are very correct in bringing this interview back to everyones attentions. Everything that he said has been put into place or beginning to be put in place. Infrastructure the first thing he highlighted....and that has improved. Bringing in the right players to boost the team rather than just splashing cash like the overseas owners who have failed mostly. When everything is in place the stadium WILL be built. We are told the finances are not an issue at all so its getting the right deal for the right setup. That includes the possibility of another site if the UWE one doesn't pull off. He doesn't hedge his bets avoiding the question he says he is here for life hopefully building a proper football club that entertains and helps the community.
So far....and yes its only a year.....things have evolved...quite a lot.
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 24, 2017 14:00:23 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene.
Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more.
Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children.
Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more.
Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly.
Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it.
True story
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Post by baggins on Feb 24, 2017 14:04:27 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene. Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more. Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children. Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more. Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly. Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it. True story I had an email from a Nigerian Prince very similar to this not so long ago. |
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2017 14:09:44 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene. Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more. Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children. Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more. Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly. Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it. True story Given W###y is the term the wasters down the road call our owner do we have to use it on here, even in jest? |
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Post by gregsy on Feb 24, 2017 14:18:34 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene. Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more. Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children. Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more. Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly. Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it. True story Given W###y is the term the wasters down the road call our owner do we have to use it on here, even in jest? don't be such a wally!!!! |
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Post by seanclevedongas on Feb 24, 2017 14:45:30 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene. Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more. Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children. Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more. Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly. Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it. True story Given W###y is the term the wasters down the road call our owner do we have to use it on here, even in jest? I am out of the loop, I didn't realise they called him that (I have not looked on there forums for years) |
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Feb 24, 2017 15:46:52 GMT
I know this bloke called Wally Caddy. He has 2 children one called Dwane and one called Irene. Wally is a bit of an entrepreneur and earns his money from lots of different sources and is looking at new investments to earn him even more. Like most parents, Wally is happy to spend his money on his children. Dwane likes to save his money and has a nice healthy bank account whereas Irene spends most of hers and often asks her daddy for more. Wally loves both his children equally and is happy to give Irene more when she needs it but obviously he only has a certain amount available and nags Irene to budget her spending properly. Wally hopes that one day both his children will grow and stand on their own two feet but he will always be there to help them when they need it. True story Given W###y is the term the wasters down the road call our owner do we have to use it on here, even in jest? You'll be telling us we're not allowed to w**k off dogs, next. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 24, 2017 16:27:38 GMT
Given W###y is the term the wasters down the road call our owner do we have to use it on here, even in jest? You'll be telling us we're not allowed to w**k off dogs, next. Right, that's it. I'm off. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 16:44:21 GMT
No, and that is a good thing. Football clubs who have owners that do this never benefit in the long run. Having an owner who throws money at players sometimes has short-term success (but not always), and in the long run they normally end up worse off because the spending isn't sustainable. Wael is trying to rebuild this club to a successful one from top to bottom, meaning we could have a sustainable future and success for years to come. And if Wael ends up selling the club for a massive profit in ten years time then I would be more than happy with that, because it means he has moved the club forward and left it in a better state than the one he found it in. UTG! True, Chelsea and Bournemouth are good examples!! As far as the suggestion the Al-Q's plan on building an hotel at the UWE, I've not heard anything along those lines from my source, as Gasincider?, if not, it sounds rubbish to me, unless it's not seen as being Rovers related but a separate project as if the Al-Q's have to wait for further pp then building at the UWE will never get underway by next January. Plus would S Glos even consider giving pp for another hotel in that area given there's already 3 within a mile or so? For every example of a club you can mention that have thrown money at a club and done well there a plenty more that have not done well. With regards to the mention of a hotel, have you visited stadium MK before? If not take a look at the layout in close detail, as in where many of the rooms of the hotel are, then ponder on what the AQ's are involved with aside from banking (cough four seasons, cough), then for the cherry on the cake ask yourself this, why has SH mentioned several times that the plans for the Mk are of real interest to the club? Put all three together and voila Topper, you've cracked it! I stand by the thought that when the stadium is complete that those who have moaned about lack of plant entering on site may hopefully have enough going on upstairs to realise the reason why it has taken the time it has to produce a venue to be truly proud of and not a shell of a stadium with no revenue or naming rights. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 17:43:49 GMT
Look at the wording. There's a full stop at the end. If that doesn't spell deal off then I don't know what does.
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Post by Topper Gas on Feb 24, 2017 18:01:49 GMT
True, Chelsea and Bournemouth are good examples!! As far as the suggestion the Al-Q's plan on building an hotel at the UWE, I've not heard anything along those lines from my source, as Gasincider?, if not, it sounds rubbish to me, unless it's not seen as being Rovers related but a separate project as if the Al-Q's have to wait for further pp then building at the UWE will never get underway by next January. Plus would S Glos even consider giving pp for another hotel in that area given there's already 3 within a mile or so? For every example of a club you can mention that have thrown money at a club and done well there a plenty more that have not done well. With regards to the mention of a hotel, have you visited stadium MK before? If not take a look at the layout in close detail, as in where many of the rooms of the hotel are, then ponder on what the AQ's are involved with aside from banking (cough four seasons, cough), then for the cherry on the cake ask yourself this, why has SH mentioned several times that the plans for the Mk are of real interest to the club? Put all three together and voila Topper, you've cracked it! I stand by the thought that when the stadium is complete that those who have moaned about lack of plant entering on site may hopefully have enough going on upstairs to realise the reason why it has taken the time it has to produce a venue to be truly proud of and not a shell of a stadium with no revenue or naming rights. I can see the Al-Q's building a 5 star Four Seasons in Filton(!), I think somebody is just putting 2+2 and making 5 re MK, as I understand the hold up was down to agreeing a price for the land, given Wael's latest comments re leasehold/purchase that might still be the case, nothing to do with any delays caused by planning the stadium which Wael has already suggested will be built w/o requiring any further pp. NH's stadium plans already included a gym etc so it's a bit harsh to say it was just a shell. |
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