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Post by yattongas on Feb 23, 2017 14:45:50 GMT
Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ? How long is a piece of String ? What's that got to do with it ? he/she is hinting they've seen the plans for a hotel etc .
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 23, 2017 15:01:00 GMT
If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you! Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ? I haven't seen those plans but if they exist the revenue will be going to Dwane Sports. Luckily according to some( maybe even many on here) Dwane Sports and Bristol Rovers are the same thing.......
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 23, 2017 15:25:46 GMT
Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ? I haven't seen those plans but if they exist the revenue will be going to Dwane Sports. Luckily according to some( maybe even many on here) Dwane Sports and Bristol Rovers are the same thing....... hate to say it that any revenue we generate will go to Dwane Sports, either hotel or hot dog stands
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 15:26:59 GMT
If you can show me plans where the former chairman was goimg to build a hotel and leisure facilities then i will agree with you! Can you show us any plans that show the revenue generated by a hotel or leisure facilities will go to Bristol Rovers? No, but I do believe in Wael when he says that Rovers is his first and last club as an owner of a football club, and regard the position of the club to be far more secure now than it has been in my lifetime (40 plus years) with absolutley no reason to doubt otherwise. IMO life is split between people who talk about getting things done and people who actually get things done, and going by the past 12 months its clear to see that words of previous regime have been replaced by people who get things done without feeling the need to shout from the rooftops.
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Post by gasstrictband on Feb 23, 2017 15:34:23 GMT
People who can do it ,do it , people who can't do it , talk about it .
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 15:36:49 GMT
How long is a piece of String ? What's that got to do with it ? he/she is hinting they've seen the plans for a hotel etc . I havent said that I have seen any plans because I havent, conversation with people who i trust is good enough to give reason to believe in the future of what will happen with no reason to distrust people who have previously shared information to be true. Divulging sources is not going to happen, but at the same time nor is sitting back and accepting what other posters are saying about the new owners and the future of the club in negative light either. It is odd how the previous owner who is the worst chairman in the clubs history, goes mostly unchallenged, takes the club out of the football league and to the brink of administration, then we have a professional chairman taking the club out of sunday pub team set up and into the profeasional era, yet every move is viewed by many with suspicion, doubt and negativity, strange old world.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 23, 2017 15:39:38 GMT
People who can do it ,do it , people who can't do it , talk about it . And ignore help, close ranks, refuse to acknowledge the club is about its supporters and gambles the future of the club, thankfully getting a lifeline at one minute to midnight.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 23, 2017 16:00:36 GMT
I haven't seen those plans but if they exist the revenue will be going to Dwane Sports. Luckily according to some( maybe even many on here) Dwane Sports and Bristol Rovers are the same thing....... hate to say it that any revenue we generate will go to Dwane Sports, either hotel or hot dog stands No it won't. Any revenue generated by the football club will go to BRFC 1883 to offset the running costs of the football club (such as rental of the stadium and training facilities) then, and only if, BRFC 1883 make a profit (how many football clubs actually make a profit?) the shareholders will be able to declare a dividend to themselves. I'll put you down as one of the many Henbury
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Post by BrightonGas on Feb 23, 2017 16:39:26 GMT
Can you show me plans where our present owners are going to build a hotel and leisure facilities? I'm not aware of these in the public domain, just people guessing that's the plans. I'm not saying you're wrong , so do you care to elaborate ? As I'm guessing you've seen these plans? How big's the hotel and what leisure facilities are planned? Will the money from these businesses go to the club or elsewhere ? I haven't seen those plans but if they exist the revenue will be going to Dwane Sports. Luckily according to some( maybe even many on here) Dwane Sports and Bristol Rovers are the same thing....... Anyone know much about ProBoards config? Do mods get to enable and disable forum features? We have "like" & "Dislike" buttons, can we add "Give it a rest"?
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 23, 2017 17:52:41 GMT
I haven't seen those plans but if they exist the revenue will be going to Dwane Sports. Luckily according to some( maybe even many on here) Dwane Sports and Bristol Rovers are the same thing....... Anyone know much about ProBoards config? Do mods get to enable and disable forum features? We have "like" & "Dislike" buttons, can we add "Give it a rest"? Never post the truth on the internet, people feel threatened by it.
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Post by bluebeard on Feb 23, 2017 22:39:30 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets.
This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club.
In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation.
But I might be wrong.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 24, 2017 7:50:44 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets. This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club. In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation. But I might be wrong. I tend to agree. If Dwane Sports make an income from a hotel (for example) then in theory they have no need to make a profit from the football club. All money made by the club could be kept and spent by the club without the need to generate money for the parent company. What will matter is what part of the over all development is allocated as Football Club income. Presumably Football gets tickets, advertising, concourse sales, club shop. Dwane pick up outside bars, restaurants, gym, hotel etc depending on what gets built. Dwane Sports need to be an independent profit making entity too right? They need to get their money back somewhere. Obviously I'm not ITK but just trying to think about what makes the most sense.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 24, 2017 8:01:21 GMT
Of course revenues will go to Dwane Sports in turn some of it will no doubt go to repay investors and some will go into the football club
If the Al-Qadi's wanted to build Hotels and leisure facilities solely to make money, they could do it a lot easier than buying a sh** football club that doesn't have anything
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 24, 2017 8:18:14 GMT
Of course revenues will go to Dwane Sports in turn some of it will no doubt go to repay investors and some will go into the football club If the Al-Qadi's wanted to build Hotels and leisure facilities solely to make money, they could do it a lot easier than buying a sh** football club that doesn't have anything As much as we take the water out of the Duck of Guernsey I'm sure that BRFC is also something of a vanity project for WAQ. I know it would be for me. I'm sure he chose us exactly because we were sh** and had nothing. What we did have was support. Big crowds given our level at the time and resources would have been a great start for him. Everything else he gets to build in his own image. We basically came baggage free and a completely blank canvas. It's clear he is a proper football man and wants to leave a lasting mark in football. I'm really confident he will do the right thing by us.
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Post by countygroundhotel on Feb 24, 2017 8:53:07 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets. This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club. In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation. But I might be wrong. Not hung up just fully aware of the 8% don't own (which fans have paid a lot of money for) and the ownership structure Dwane are putting in place. I'm also embarrassed that people can't understand there is a difference between Dwane Sports and the football club which is reinforced every time I read posts like yours.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Feb 24, 2017 9:11:46 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets. This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club. In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation. But I might be wrong. Not hung up just fully aware of the 8% don't own (which fans have paid a lot of money for) and the ownership structure Dwane are putting in place. I'm also embarrassed that people can't understand there is a difference between Dwane Sports and the football club which is reinforced every time I read posts like yours.
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Post by peterparker on Feb 24, 2017 9:12:30 GMT
Of course revenues will go to Dwane Sports in turn some of it will no doubt go to repay investors and some will go into the football club If the Al-Qadi's wanted to build Hotels and leisure facilities solely to make money, they could do it a lot easier than buying a sh** football club that doesn't have anything As much as we take the p**s out of the Duck of Guernsey I'm sure that BRFC is also something of a vanity project for WAQ. I know it would be for me. I'm sure he chose us exactly because we were sh** and had nothing. What we did have was support. Big crowds given our level at the time and resources would have been a great start for him. Everything else he gets to build in his own image. We basically came baggage free and a completely blank canvas. It's clear he is a proper football man and wants to leave a lasting mark in football. I'm really confident he will do the right thing by us. I agree with that, not to mention it can potentially help Jordanian Football and certainly will boost his profile there in that respect.
Of course it is a vanity project to a degree, otherwise as investment bankers they wouldn't bother and the Al-Qadi's could do something far better and easier to make money
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Post by knowall on Feb 24, 2017 9:23:26 GMT
Not sure why people are so hung up about the Dwane Sports / BRFC distinction. Basically both entities are owned by the same people who can do what they like with the revenue streams and assets. This is what I reckon; those people have honourable motives. Any hotel, retail or other income generated from the development will be used to cover finance costs. Any football related income will be channelled back into the football club. In order to make the project viable, non football related revenue is essential. In order to gain full benefit from any non football related revenue, we need to own the freehold. The price of said freehold is currently under negotiation. But I might be wrong. Not hung up just fully aware of the 8% don't own (which fans have paid a lot of money for) and the ownership structure Dwane are putting in place. I'm also embarrassed that people can't understand there is a difference between Dwane Sports and the football club which is reinforced every time I read posts like yours. Then you would be 'fully aware' that a year ago the 8% was worth absolutely £0. In the future one day it may be worth something - but despite your protestations you are obviously 'hung up' - get over it and enjoy what is turning out to be a great ride.
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Post by Squiffy on Feb 24, 2017 9:28:36 GMT
As much as we take the p**s out of the Duck of Guernsey I'm sure that BRFC is also something of a vanity project for WAQ. I know it would be for me. I'm sure he chose us exactly because we were sh** and had nothing. What we did have was support. Big crowds given our level at the time and resources would have been a great start for him. Everything else he gets to build in his own image. We basically came baggage free and a completely blank canvas. It's clear he is a proper football man and wants to leave a lasting mark in football. I'm really confident he will do the right thing by us. I agree with that, not to mention it can potentially help Jordanian Football and certainly will boost his profile there in that respect.
Of course it is a vanity project to a degree, otherwise as investment bankers they wouldn't bother and the Al-Qadi's could do something far better and easier to make money
If it was a vanity project it would have to be a big name Prem club to impress the kind of people that I imagine WAQ mixes with. If it was pure vanity you would buy a Maserati not a Lada!
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Post by garystash on Feb 24, 2017 9:43:10 GMT
I watched an interview put on BBC the other day, but I think is from the time of the takeover. Was interesting watching it now that the furore of the takeover has died down. Wael says some really interesting things when talking about his motivations behind buying a club. He talks of an "ownership, not an investment", and that he wants to create something for the community. If this guy has sinister intentions with our club then my god he is good at hiding it. And if Dwane Sports are going to make some money that isn't going to be invested in the club then so what? It is not shameful to make a living from something - as long as we're not being ripped off. If anyone is interested in the interview then link is here: www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/35617294
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