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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 24, 2017 8:13:25 GMT
I got shot down for suggesting we have a fair few idiots in our fanbase.
On this occasion, I hate to tell I told you so... (actually no I don't)
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 24, 2017 9:12:48 GMT
“I have suggested to Coventry that they make it an all ticket event and I have asked them not to open the bar to away fans." Great, thanks for restricting our attendance and stopping us from having a drink, employee of BRFC... He's just doing his job. Suggest the blame for this is aimed at the 50 or so meat heads that can't handle their drink and so often overshadow our otherwise great support. Just doing his job? Sure in the laziest and most half arsed way possible. Just doing his job, tarring all of our fans with the same brush, doing his job suggesting that 4,250 of the supporters going to Cov should be denied a pre match beer because 50 of them might play up. It's a disgraceful and utterly discriminatory approach. It is one of our own employers treating us ALL with contempt. Football fans are continually discriminated against in ways that would be totally unacceptable and illegal for other groups of people and our own safety officer with his lazy arsed one size fits all approach is condoning and encouraging this. I thought we were a progressive club that aims to treat its supporters as the valuable beating heart of the club. The club should demonstrate they are still committed to a strong and happy relationship with the fans by dispensing with the services of this Dinosaur now.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2017 9:21:19 GMT
He's just doing his job. Suggest the blame for this is aimed at the 50 or so meat heads that can't handle their drink and so often overshadow our otherwise great support. Just doing his job? Sure in the laziest and most half arsed way possible. Just doing his job, tarring all of our fans with the s ame brush, doing his job suggesting that 4,250 of the supporters going to Cov should be denied a pre match beer because 50 of them might play up. It's a disgraceful and utterly discriminatory approach. It is one of our own employers treating us ALL with contempt. Football fans are continually discriminated against in ways that would be totally unacceptable and illegal for other groups of people and our own safety officer with his lazy arsed one size fits all approach is condoning and encouraging this. I thought we were a progressive club that aims to treat its supporters as the valuable beating heart of the club. The club should demonstrate they are still committed to a strong and happy relationship with the fans by dispensing with the services of this Dinasour now.His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be?
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 24, 2017 9:38:54 GMT
Just doing his job? Sure in the laziest and most half arsed way possible. Just doing his job, tarring all of our fans with the s ame brush, doing his job suggesting that 4,250 of the supporters going to Cov should be denied a pre match beer because 50 of them might play up. It's a disgraceful and utterly discriminatory approach. It is one of our own employers treating us ALL with contempt. Football fans are continually discriminated against in ways that would be totally unacceptable and illegal for other groups of people and our own safety officer with his lazy arsed one size fits all approach is condoning and encouraging this. I thought we were a progressive club that aims to treat its supporters as the valuable beating heart of the club. The club should demonstrate they are still committed to a strong and happy relationship with the fans by dispensing with the services of this Dinasour now.His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be? My advise would be to tell the host club not to treat ALL fans as if they were drunken hooligans! My advise would be to treat all fans with respect by assuming good behaviour because most people will be impeccably behaved. My advise would be that there have been problems with some clubs such as Port Vale trying to cram our fans into the smallest space possible and not enforcing people sit in allocated seats which caused bad feeling which escalated. I would advise the host club to avoid this by either giving more space or being strict on sitting in allocated seats right from the moment supporters enter the ground. I would advise the host club that there might be a very small number of people who sit or stand where they want upsetting their fellow fans, they should deal with these people individually. I would advise the host club that with such a large following expected it would be a good idea to make them aware that they CAN have a drink in the ground before the game therefore reducing pressure in the pubs around the local area and the city centre and allowing a lot of our fans to drink in their own space.
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Post by Marshy on Mar 24, 2017 9:42:44 GMT
His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be? My advise would be to tell the host club not be to treat ALL fans as if they were drunken hooligans! My advise would be to treat all fans with respect by assuming good behaviour because most people will be impeccably behaved. My advise would be that there have been problems with some clubs such as Port Vale trying to cram our fans into the smallest space possible and not enforcing people sit in allocated seats which caused bad feeling which escalated. I would advise the host club to avoid this by either giving more space or being strict on sitting in allocated seats right from the moment supporters enter the ground. I would advise the host club that there might be a very small number of people who sit or stand where they want upsetting their fellow fans, they should deal with these people individually. I would advise the host club that with such a large following expected it would be a good idea to make them aware that they CAN have a drink in the ground before the game therefore reducing pressure in the pubs around the local area and the city centre and allowing a lot of our fans to drink in their own space. Thanks for the advice!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:08:54 GMT
I got shot down for suggesting we have a fair few idiots in our fanbase. On this occasion, I hate to tell I told you so... (actually no I don't) Every single club in the FL has a fair few idiots in their fanbase and it doesn't kick off at every game. Maybe the difference between say, Port Vale and Charlton is the way the two clubs handled the same situation?
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Post by rob on Mar 24, 2017 10:11:02 GMT
Baby you can drive my car . Classic Beatles , from the album Rubber soul .Can anyone name any other songs from the album. Doctor Robert.
And your bird can sing.
Pretty sure they were from Revolver not Rubber Soul ?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 24, 2017 10:11:38 GMT
I got shot down for suggesting we have a fair few idiots in our fanbase. On this occasion, I hate to tell I told you so... (actually no I don't) Every single club in the FL has a fair few idiots in their fanbase and it doesn't kick off at every game. Maybe the difference between say, Port Vale and Charlton is the way the two clubs handled the same situation? True but it was the way some were trying to act as though we were 100% innocent.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 10:30:49 GMT
Re the restriction of alcohol; we didn't have any problems at Wembley with 30-40,000 fans?
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Post by gashead987 on Mar 24, 2017 10:56:00 GMT
Just doing his job? Sure in the laziest and most half arsed way possible. Just doing his job, tarring all of our fans with the s ame brush, doing his job suggesting that 4,250 of the supporters going to Cov should be denied a pre match beer because 50 of them might play up. It's a disgraceful and utterly discriminatory approach. It is one of our own employers treating us ALL with contempt. Football fans are continually discriminated against in ways that would be totally unacceptable and illegal for other groups of people and our own safety officer with his lazy arsed one size fits all approach is condoning and encouraging this. I thought we were a progressive club that aims to treat its supporters as the valuable beating heart of the club. The club should demonstrate they are still committed to a strong and happy relationship with the fans by dispensing with the services of this Dinasour now.His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be? Sadly, I can only support what our club safety officer has suggested here. Surely we do not want to start creating a reputation for having an away following that is difficult to manage (at best) or is downright threatening/abusive, even if it is a minority only. I am sure that the likes of Millwall will always claim that it is the minority that cause trouble (no offence to Millwall as a club), but unless action is taken by the clubs, simply expecting a your own supporters to police difficult situations simply doesn't work!
I was at the Oxford game a few weeks ago, with my three kids, and unfortunately we were seated near the netting (separating home and away) towards the front, and 5-10 minutes into the game approx. 20/30 of our supporters came in, intent in standing in front of everyone, and abusing the away supporters. Have no problem with the latter, but it created a volatile situation where it was necessary for me to move the kids, as did others, before a situation arose where they were at risk. This issue was caused by a few watered up gasheads, and does anyone really think that requesting that they move/ find a seat would have resulted in them all moving.
We have a great away following, a really great away following, but we don't want a few who don't know how to behave to ruin the experience for all of us, so personally I'm glad that the club have realised that there's an issue and are doing something about it.
Now I'll put my tin hat on!!
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 24, 2017 11:28:00 GMT
“It is a policy we operate here at the Memorial Stadium and it does help reduce any problems."
I assume he means only for away fans but is that an actual "policy" or simply down to the fact their's no bar area in the away end?
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Mar 24, 2017 11:36:30 GMT
Re the restriction of alcohol; we didn't have any problems at Wembley with 30-40,000 fans? I would suspect that is because everyone was sat in allocated seating at Wembley.
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Post by curlywurly on Mar 24, 2017 11:38:29 GMT
From the OS:
"Our supporters are asked to take note of the following information. Bars at the ground will be open pre-match and, depending on behaviour, they will reopen at half time. Stewards will only permit supporters to sit in their allocated seats. Supporters are asked to be seated in good time for kick off to minimise disruption to fellow supporters. A no standing policy will be enforced as it obstructs the view of fellow supporters. Supporters are asked to arrive at gates early as there will be a strict search regime for everyone's safety."
Welcome to the sanitised, post-Taylor report world. I'm not looking forward the UWE if this is what it is going to be like.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 24, 2017 11:50:30 GMT
Re the restriction of alcohol; we didn't have any problems at Wembley with 30-40,000 fans? I would suspect that is because everyone was sat in allocated seating at Wembley.
Fair point.
They may as well have done with it and recommend not giving our fans ANY tickets to away matches, that would affect most other clubs more than us...problem solved. Anyone would think there were 20 man brawls at every away game.
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Post by oldgas on Mar 24, 2017 12:00:17 GMT
Doctor Robert.
And your bird can sing.
Pretty sure they were from Revolver not Rubber Soul ? Crikey, you're right! I'd better re-visit my collection and refresh my memory. Thats what old age does to you.
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Post by Snoop Dogg on Mar 24, 2017 13:51:50 GMT
Win or lose on the booze.
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Post by Feeling The Blues on Mar 24, 2017 13:53:43 GMT
His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be? Sadly, I can only support what our club safety officer has suggested here. Surely we do not want to start creating a reputation for having an away following that is difficult to manage (at best) or is downright threatening/abusive, even if it is a minority only. I am sure that the likes of Millwall will always claim that it is the minority that cause trouble (no offence to Millwall as a club), but unless action is taken by the clubs, simply expecting a your own supporters to police difficult situations simply doesn't work!
I was at the Oxford game a few weeks ago, with my three kids, and unfortunately we were seated near the netting (separating home and away) towards the front, and 5-10 minutes into the game approx. 20/30 of our supporters came in, intent in standing in front of everyone, and abusing the away supporters. Have no problem with the latter, but it created a volatile situation where it was necessary for me to move the kids, as did others, before a situation arose where they were at risk. This issue was caused by a few watered up gasheads, and does anyone really think that requesting that they move/ find a seat would have resulted in them all moving.
We have a great away following, a really great away following, but we don't want a few who don't know how to behave to ruin the experience for all of us, so personally I'm glad that the club have realised that there's an issue and are doing something about it.
Now I'll put my tin hat on!!
With respect, I think your comments are nonsense. You are advocating to treat everyone like hooligans who cant be trusted to behave because maybe a few wont behave. Apply that to any other walk of life especially if it revolves around race or religion and you will be in court faster than your feet can carry you. Yet according to you and the lazy arsed safety officer its ok to discriminate against all football supporters because there have been problems with a few . Its nonsense and its inflammatory discriminatory nonsense that cannot and should not be tolerated.
There are clubs in the top two flights who take much bigger away followings than us to all seater stadiums and there are no problems because everyone sits or stands by their allocated seat. If they didn't there would be chaos, just like we have sometimes because of the watered up idiots you refer to who have caused problems for their fellow fans (like at Home Park last season). So its simple the stewards do need to ask the watered ups to move and go to their proper seat and if they don't they are ejected. If this was the norm the problems you had at Oxford would soon be a thing of the past just as it is a thing of the past in the away followings of much bigger clubs than us.
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Post by Marshy on Mar 24, 2017 13:54:41 GMT
Win or lose on the booze. 57 pints Heinz?
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Post by mumbles on Mar 24, 2017 14:04:10 GMT
His job as an employee of BRFC is to protect Rovers first and foremost. Clearly there have been a handful of fans that have caused problems the last few seasons at away games and alcohol has been a factor. I have no problem with his advice, however this advice should not have been a matter of public record as it has. If you were to offer safety advice to a host club given your remit is to avoid trouble and negative press against the club, what would your plan be? Sadly, I can only support what our club safety officer has suggested here. Surely we do not want to start creating a reputation for having an away following that is difficult to manage (at best) or is downright threatening/abusive, even if it is a minority only. I am sure that the likes of Millwall will always claim that it is the minority that cause trouble (no offence to Millwall as a club), but unless action is taken by the clubs, simply expecting a your own supporters to police difficult situations simply doesn't work!
I was at the Oxford game a few weeks ago, with my three kids, and unfortunately we were seated near the netting (separating home and away) towards the front, and 5-10 minutes into the game approx. 20/30 of our supporters came in, intent in standing in front of everyone, and abusing the away supporters. Have no problem with the latter, but it created a volatile situation where it was necessary for me to move the kids, as did others, before a situation arose where they were at risk. This issue was caused by a few watered up gasheads, and does anyone really think that requesting that they move/ find a seat would have resulted in them all moving.
We have a great away following, a really great away following, but we don't want a few who don't know how to behave to ruin the experience for all of us, so personally I'm glad that the club have realised that there's an issue and are doing something about it.
Now I'll put my tin hat on!!
Completely agree. I too was sat at the front at Oxford and the behaviour of that group was a disgrace, especially with all the kids around and standing right in front of the disabled supporters blocking their view over half of the pitch. They were gesturing to cut their throat which was all filmed by police and it amazes me that these idiots can't be identified and banned. I don't understand why this kind of advice needs to be made public though and I agree that it does reflect badly on the whole fan base.
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Post by Snoop Dogg on Mar 24, 2017 14:11:19 GMT
Win or lose on the booze. 57 pints Heinz? 55*
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