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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 11:22:30 GMT
Your kidding yourself if you don't think there are a healthy number of people in Bradford that wouldn't support Leeds, Weds, Man U. There are plenty in Bristol that follow the big teams! As for Cardiff. That's not really a useful argument is it! Please stop with the 40 thousand thing aswell. It was less than 30k for the biggest game in recent history. I was speaking from my perspective. I said if I were a Bradfodian, I wouldn't want to support etc etc etc. There are plenty in Bristolians who follow the big teams? Really? I work for GWR, I often work on a Saturday. You're right, Temple Meads station is clogged with Bristolians bedecked in Man U. Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea shirts etc etc all rushing off to watch their heroes. We very often have to put on extra trains to cope with the rush. And have you ever witnessed the motorways out of Bristol on a Saturday morning? Carnage, with all those cars and coaches carrying Bristolians to the Midlands, the North and London. You might get Bristolians who SAY they support Prem teams; but that support rarely extends beyond slobbing out in front of Sky tv and wearing a replica shirt. you sort of damage your own argument with the Cardiff comment. Why wouldn't Premier league aficionados go to watch them in the Prem rather than any other team? You're surely not suggesting tribalism? Football tribalism exists in Bristol between The Gas and Sh1t. As much as I despise that horrible club, I'd rather see a kid wearing that sewer wrap than some London or Northern Premier league shirt. And yes, I do firmly believe we would have had 40k plus yesterday. You can't compare the Conference final after 10 years of total dross with a League 1 final after the last couple of seasons, and to do so shows a remarkable lack of thought. I'm sorry but if you don't think there are loads of prem team followers in Bristol, I may aswell concede. Open your eyes fgs!
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 11:26:08 GMT
It's not about finding out, it's about making statements and justifying them. What's the point in the OP saying they "only" get 17k? It's ridiculous without any tangible comparison to our situation. I meant the only reason they get 17k , and not that they only get 17k. So easy tiger.. As for us able to match that avg if we had the arena to do so. - I have no doubt we could and, would get 17k if we were giving season tickets away for £100. Yeah sure we'd just double our average overnight. Maybe we'll find out eh? Until then, keep dreaming.
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 11:29:27 GMT
Your kidding yourself if you don't think there are a healthy number of people in Bradford that wouldn't support Leeds, Weds, Man U. There are plenty in Bristol that follow the big teams! As for Cardiff. That's not really a useful argument is it! Please stop with the 40 thousand thing aswell. It was less than 30k for the biggest game in recent history. Each time we have played at Wembley or at Cardiff we have taken 35k - 42k, apart from against Grimsby in 2015. Tranmere,Huddersfield ,Doncaster , Shrewsbury. I remember seeing it said by the club that we had sold 31k at some point a day or so before the game.And for anyone that was there that day, I think most will agree that number is about the right figure. It was the BIGGEST GAME in our history,but you have to remember that alot of gasheads had sadly given up after what happened in May 2014 and we're embarrassed by playing in non league,even at wembley.. And another factor was that city played there in the JTP final at Wembley only 4 weeks or so before.The neutral Bristolian day trippers were not going to again and watch Rovers against Grimsby after being there only weeks before watching BCFC.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 11:32:18 GMT
So what were our ticket sales for those 4 games then please?
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 11:38:47 GMT
I meant the only reason they get 17k , and not that they only get 17k. So easy tiger.. As for us able to match that avg if we had the arena to do so. - I have no doubt we could and, would get 17k if we were giving season tickets away for £100. Yeah sure we'd just double our average overnight. Maybe we'll find out eh? Until then, keep dreaming. No one said over night... Bradford,from what I remember grew up to that number once charging at those rates. Didn't Bradford only pull in 15k for the home leg of the play offs ? What's the reason for the 2k drop in crowd for there biggest game of the season up until that point? Also Millwall only got 12.5k for the 2nd leg at the den. If in the same standard of grounds we would had got more than both of those for those play off legs.
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 11:44:28 GMT
So what were our ticket sales for those 4 games then please? Why is that important? I would suggust,Im 99% sure ... lower than 17k 😵😲😞😨 But doesnt that back up the point that more people from Bristol will pay real prices to watch Rovers then the people of Bradford would do for there club?
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Post by mariobalotelli on May 21, 2017 11:45:56 GMT
We took 43K when we played Shrewsbury for the first ever play off final at the new Wembley. That will have included thousands of neutrals in the Rovers end for the first time experience. On the day they counted as Rovers fans which is good and all because we get to say we took 43K, but for the biggest game in our history we only took 27K.
Mocking Bradford for having 17,000 ST holders whilst our own capacity is two thirds of that though...
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Post by socrates on May 21, 2017 11:51:17 GMT
Bristol is a big city, so you'll get both a lot of people going to Rovers/City, and a lot of people 'supporting' Liverpool, Man Utd etc. There are certainly Bristol and Bath supporters groups for Chelsea and United, as we saw at Stamford Bridge for example! Really the two city clubs' crowds should be higher. Re: Cardiff, you didn't get Bristolians going over because theyre not the 'top 4'. But notice the crowds they had then vs the crowds they get now. Huge number obsessed with top flight football, hence why if Rovers or City ever got there they would sell out every week. All of which kind of supports my argument, and for that reason I do believe we would have 40k plus yesterday. We would have sold our allocation if we'd made the play off final no doubt about it in my mind. We only took 37000 or whatever it was for the conference final because it was the conference. I'm pretty sure we took about 50,000 in 2007 and 1995 and we're better supported now than we were then.
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 12:19:05 GMT
All of which kind of supports my argument, and for that reason I do believe we would have 40k plus yesterday. We would have sold our allocation if we'd made the play off final no doubt about it in my mind. We only took 37000 or whatever it was for the conference final because it was the conference. I'm pretty sure we took about 50,000 in 2007 and 1995 and we're better supported now than we were then. We never took 50k in 2007. It was 42,000/ 43,000. In 1995 our following was 35/38k I can't remember as I was only 13 years old. Cardiff we took 38k. Grimsby was from what I remember seeing on the clubs twitter we had sold 31k tickets a day or so before the final.But people say it was 27k.Either way for a conference final it's still very good.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 12:48:58 GMT
So what were our ticket sales for those 4 games then please? Why is that important? I would suggust,Im 99% sure ... lower than 17k 😵😲😞😨 But doesnt that back up the point that more people from Bristol will pay real prices to watch Rovers then the people of Bradford would do for there club? It's important because the thread is about attendance.. It seems we took 40k+ once and every other final has been short of that yet 40k is how many we'd take?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 13:04:32 GMT
There are 12 league teams in Yorkshire! 4 of them have been top flight in the last 10 years. Yet we are somehow comparable to one of them in terms of fanbase/competition/catchment? Have we EVER had a better average crowd than Bradford?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 13:36:40 GMT
Yeah sure we'd just double our average overnight. Maybe we'll find out eh? Until then, keep dreaming. No one said over night... Bradford,from what I remember grew up to that number once charging at those rates. Didn't Bradford only pull in 15k for the home leg of the play offs ? What's the reason for the 2k drop in crowd for there biggest game of the season up until that point? Also Millwall only got 12.5k for the 2nd leg at the den. If in the same standard of grounds we would had got more than both of those for those play off legs. Season ticket holders are counted for league games whether they are present or not. This explains the drop for their playoff game. Also why city were announcing 17-18k during their sh** run, even though it was more like 13-14.
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 14:13:52 GMT
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 14:34:48 GMT
There are 12 league teams in Yorkshire! 4 of them have been top flight in the last 10 years. Yet we are somehow comparable to one of them in terms of fanbase/competition/catchment? Have we EVER had a better average crowd than Bradford? No there hasnt Hull have been. Sheffield Utd may have been just. Leeds , Sheffield weds and Bradford have been out of the top level for 15 odd years. You could claim middlesbrough but it's not really yorkshire.
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Post by gregsy on May 21, 2017 14:50:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 14:53:42 GMT
There are 12 league teams in Yorkshire! 4 of them have been top flight in the last 10 years. Yet we are somehow comparable to one of them in terms of fanbase/competition/catchment? Have we EVER had a better average crowd than Bradford? No there hasnt Hull have been. Sheffield Utd may have been just. Leeds , Sheffield weds and Bradford have been out of the top level for 15 odd years. You could claim middlesbrough but it's not really yorkshire. My bad 20 years. It was Hull, Leeds, Weds, United. Plus Huddersfield are huge compared to us as are Barnsley who were also top flight not so long ago. There are loads of rugby league teams and generally the population is poorer in that part of England. This attendance thingy with Bradford is really sad as they are miles ahead of us whichever way you look at it. To suggest we'd do this or that with a new ground is pie in the sky until it's built. Even then we simply do not have the same level of competition as they do at all.
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Post by Icegas on May 21, 2017 15:49:48 GMT
No there hasnt Hull have been. Sheffield Utd may have been just. Leeds , Sheffield weds and Bradford have been out of the top level for 15 odd years. You could claim middlesbrough but it's not really yorkshire. My bad 20 years. It was Hull, Leeds, Weds, United. Plus Huddersfield are huge compared to us as are Barnsley who were also top flight not so long ago. There are loads of rugby league teams and generally the population is poorer in that part of England. This attendance thingy with Bradford is really sad as they are miles ahead of us whichever way you look at it. To suggest we'd do this or that with a new ground is pie in the sky until it's built. Even then we simply do not have the same level of competition as they do at all. I'm sorry dude,but we disagree. Huddersfield are not huge compared to us.They just have a better history compared to us, and as with Barnsley - do not have anywhere near the same potential as we do. The only difference between them and us is that over the last 20 years they have developed new stadiums and played at a higher level than us. How many fans did we take to Wembley compared to Hudderfield in 1995 when we played them in the league one playoff final? What were either... hudderfields and Barnsley home avg while in league one a few years ago? 8-11k And both play in far better arenas than the Mem. As for then having to compete with other clubs in Yorkshire...Well the lifestyle,and actives to do in the Bristol area far out weight what the Yorkshire are has to offer away from football to keep people busy so that point does not hold up.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2017 15:58:04 GMT
My bad 20 years. It was Hull, Leeds, Weds, United. Plus Huddersfield are huge compared to us as are Barnsley who were also top flight not so long ago. There are loads of rugby league teams and generally the population is poorer in that part of England. This attendance thingy with Bradford is really sad as they are miles ahead of us whichever way you look at it. To suggest we'd do this or that with a new ground is pie in the sky until it's built. Even then we simply do not have the same level of competition as they do at all. I'm sorry dude,but we disagree. Huddersfield are not huge compared to us.They just have a better history compared to us, and as with Barnsley - do not have anywhere near the same potential as we do. The only difference between them and us is that over the last 20 years they have developed new stadiums and played at a higher level than us. How many fans did we take to Wembley compared to Hudderfield in 1995 when we played them in the league one playoff final? What were either... hudderfields and Barnsley home avg while in league one a few years ago? 8-11k And both play in far better arenas than the Mem. As for then having to compete with other clubs in Yorkshire...Well the lifestyle,and actives to do in the Bristol area far out weight what the Yorkshire are has to offer away from football to keep people busy so that point does not hold up. Fair arguments. Hopefully we can revisit this in the not so distant future once we have a ground worthy of our potential.
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Post by oldgas on May 21, 2017 16:00:53 GMT
Our support numbers for the Grimsbury (sic) game was nothing short of amazing. I know several committed Gasheads who didn't go that day because they were still on the fence regarding Rovers as they had become totally disillusioned with the amateurish, Sunday pub team shambles the club had become. I didn't pull any punches there!
The last 2 seasons have been amazing, crowds have grown to reflect our success, even with our cow shed of a stadium. I therefore believe we would have taken 40 k+ on Saturday.
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Post by surreygas on May 22, 2017 12:48:14 GMT
Our support numbers for the Grimsbury (sic) game was nothing short of amazing. I know several committed Gasheads who didn't go that day because they were still on the fence regarding Rovers as they had become totally disillusioned with the amateurish, Sunday pub team shambles the club had become. I didn't pull any punches there! The last 2 seasons have been amazing, crowds have grown to reflect our success, even with our cow shed of a stadium. I therefore believe we would have taken 40 k+ on Saturday. Hopefully we will get the chance to find out next season how many we would take to Wembley but I would guess it would be similar to the Conference final i.e. somewhere just short of 30,000. I don't think you can take Shrewsbury or Huddersfield as a benchmark - Huddersfield was the second time we had played at (the old) Wembley and 5 years after the first time. It was a novelty playing at Wembley and the famous twin towers was more iconic than the current stadium.
Shrewsbury in 2007 was when the new Wembley had just opened so everyone wanted to go to the new national stadium hence Rovers sold over 40,000 tickets.
Our lower attendance at the Grimsby game wasn't because we were in a lower league - it was a reflection of the lack of allure of going to Wembley after 10 years of overuse with FA Cup semi finals, conference finals , FA Trophy, FA Vase, Tottenham playing Champions League games etc. And lets face it, that was our 4th visit there plus a trip to Cardiff.
Wembley is no longer a big draw - in fact I can't stand the place - which is why attendances from all teams visiting Wembley are now lower than they used to be, including Rovers.
It never ceases to amaze me how many Gasheads convince themselves that we are better supported than we really are. We averaged just over 9,000 this year - our highest for 30 years - that's on the back of 2 successive promotions and with a promotion chasing team and charismatic manager. If we have an average season next year, gates will be back down below 7,000. I'd love it if we were better supported but am realistic enough to know that until we get a prolonged period in the Championship we will always struggle to get the core fan base above the 5-6,000 level.
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