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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:44:59 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? Because life moves on. I don't obbsess about the Wiltshire MP or Menzies or even Wragg all Tories.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:20:36 GMT
So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. Plenty reporting what a few Conservative MPs have done. Why is no one (seemingly apart from me on here) holding the Deputy Leader of the Labour Party to the same standards...? We are all aware of the investigation about Raynor. However you seem to be giving a running commentary day after day . Like I asked have I mentioned Menzies ?.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 24, 2024 11:09:03 GMT
I’m surprised to read this post. Despite being on the other side politically, I do enjoy reading what you write and think that it’s actually balanced, considering it’s the opposite view. However, this comes across as judging before conviction. And tbh, the amount of scandals of the last 10 years that have been in the heart of our government must be a record. I’d far rather Rayner than any of those pillocks. Surely I can judge her in the same way she judges others she politically disagrees with? I have certainly read more evidence against her than she normally has when she launches into an attack on her political enemies? The main reason I keep banging on about her is that it highlights the massive double standards from her (and her party), the mainstream media and so many people on here who are defending her *despite* the evidence, yet would be happy to condemn someone they politically disagree even when it's only allegations that are being made... Rayner could clear this up today. She could have cleared it up months ago. We know she and the Labour Party hold certain documents that could be published without breaching any confidentiality rules that would disprove the long list of allegations against her. As I stated weeks back, if it *was* an error, that's not a problem - admit it and move on. It's the attempted cover-up and the bad politics that is her problem now... So why don't you concentrate on the many in your own party ?. In the last week there's been two . You come across a bit desperate to score just one goal !. For the record I haven't mentioned Mark Menzies . You are in danger of becoming obsessed about Raynor super !.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 23, 2024 12:03:25 GMT
I get it, you're talking about the actual players, not the total amount we have spent on them so far. I wonder what SwissGas has to say about this? I don't understand roadmans counter argument that spending on players isn't included in a budget but wages are. Anyway each to there own but I'm unconvinced we have a budget aligned with the top clubs. It seems to me the club gave Barton a good reasonable competitive budget around 9-14th in comparison but realised very quicky to compete with the bigger boys . The club must carry on and on spending anything up to a seasonal 8-10 million budget which we simply haven't got and never had. I don't see an issue with this but it is disingenuous to suggest we are matching teams like derby pompey Bolton Blackpool etc etc. In fact the position we are in is reflective of our budget size within a small margin and the club have down well . Do people read this forum ?. I used the word 'reasonable' 4 months ago in a debate with Roddy. Now the word ' reasonable ' seems a widely used term for our playing budget. ( see second paragraph ).
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 20, 2024 12:31:48 GMT
No, I (and many others) are saying Rayner deliberately lied about where she was actually living to make financial gains from HMRC and the local council by a variety of means. We know on her first tax return as an MP (filed in the second half of 2015) she declared various things about her Vicarage Road property, including that she had been living there since she got married in 2010. We have a series of claims from various people (including her own social media) that she was actually living in Lowndes Lane with her husband which make the claims on the tax return (and a variety of financial gains she made from the claim) fraudulent. No one is claiming HMRC or the council let anything go, the claim is that Rayner mislead them and made fraudulent financial gains because of it... Still obsessed with Rayner ? 😂🙄 When you have Monday ) TORY MP under pressure to resign by cross party group for using taxpayers money for personal libel. Tuesday ) Lizz Truss releases book slagging off Tory party. Wednesday) Internal opinions polls by Tories giving Sunak the worst ratings ever some at minus 27 -. Thursday) Give me 6k as bad people are after me MP. Friday) Nadine Dorries tweeting negative comments about Sunak . That's in 5 working days. And remember this is Tories on Tories. Won't you be obsessed with Angela Rayner ?
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 20, 2024 10:33:46 GMT
Violent conduct in the 41st minute on Tuesday apparently. Wonder what he actually did and if there’s any video clips? Surely cambridge made a complaint. Who would have time to review every game every second?.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 18, 2024 16:50:10 GMT
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 17, 2024 11:33:30 GMT
It's dirty politics. The Tories will go on and on and on and on about Raynor. Labour will use the Lizz truss book just released and the £60k taxpayers moneys used for personal reasons. Labour will focus on the Wiltshire MP. Is it a resignation or when is she going to pay back tax payers money for her legal costs ?.
Welcome to Westminster!.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 17, 2024 11:20:01 GMT
Not necessarily, depends on the motives and little benefit if you have very few MPs and 5 years away from another GE. At the moment I'd say it's about deflection and minimising loses at the next election. Fair enough, but it also goes back to my point about Rayner mis-handling it. Come clean at the start and no one is talking about it three months later - the only reason this went from CGT to rental income to Electoral Registrations to council tax discounts to Right to Buy discounts to mortgage payments and more is because she ignored the initial claim. Which is why I don't think it's an attack to win votes as she could have shut it down back in Jan/Feb when no one was really thinking about local or general elections... Hang on a minute. Have she been found guilty by the police ?. Let's wait and see. Let the police decide . That's what British justice is all about.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 17, 2024 11:08:59 GMT
What makes you think this is about winning votes? This is now a serious criminal investigation into the current Deputy leader of the Labour Party... It was always about votes. Of course it's about votes. I think he's on a wind up. Ex Tory MPs said on GB news ' They will keep the pressure up and see what the polls say '. The daily mail are running it in the hope it might swing the polls. Everyone knows politicians do this on all sides.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 17, 2024 10:23:59 GMT
Four new opinions polls have been released since post Raynor . They suggest the British public aren't too interested in the accusations. All the polls show no change with one actually -2 for the Tories. True it don't give evidence that the public are backing Rayner nether do the public care much about the continuous right wing media attention. Don't shoot the messenger look at the polls !. www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/What makes you think this is about winning votes? This is now a serious criminal investigation into the current Deputy leader of the Labour Party... Your the only person who believes that politics isn't about winning votes. Either your in denial or laughing behind the screen!. The grass who made the accusation is a TORY !. The grass ain't interested in what happened 10 years ago to the tune of zero to a grand . The Grass wants political capital. Everyone knows that it what politicians do. Who would be interested in shopping a self employed scaffolder for taking cash only or a builder 10 years ago ?. I won't be! Everything's political with a view to winning votes. Its what politicians do!.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 17, 2024 9:05:43 GMT
Four new opinions polls have been released since post Raynor . They suggest the British public aren't too interested in the accusations. All the polls show no change with one actually -2 for the Tories. True it don't give evidence that the public are backing Rayner nether do the public care much about the continuous right wing media attention. Don't shoot the messenger look at the polls !. www.markpack.org.uk/155623/voting-intention-opinion-poll-scorecard/
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 15, 2024 11:48:01 GMT
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 14, 2024 14:02:44 GMT
Why don't the papers / media report the truth and the background and people who are making accusations?. Fair enough she is under a police investigation and if found guilty will pay a heavy price.
However : the two witness statements needs to be put in context . One is a Tory MP . The other it now appears had a personal run in with Raynor . He accused the department of unfair dismissal and prejudice. The Police should be made aware of any previous conflicts or disputes or political bias.
Quite simply anyone can make an accusation if they got an axe to grind. I think now the Police should be left to get on with their jobs and any additional Information should be passed to the police confidentially. The danger with close media attention (Daily mail) is that it can have the reverse effect and the C.P.S may advice against prosecution based on media pressures .
We want the truth and the Police should be given the time and focus now . If the Daily mail got any additional information give it to the Police!.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 20:15:34 GMT
It's one Labour and about 50 Tories and there celebrations as if its 50-1 . We ain't had the decision from the Police or have we ?.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 19:44:00 GMT
Wanna bet that she doesn’t have to pay back a penny ? Wanna bet that she is found to have broken at least one rule/law? Different to having to pay back anything... You already found her guilty. I thought that was the job of the police . The accusations isn't from the tax office or Police but a Tory MP. Why not wait until the Police give their verdict ?. We heard all that under Sir Keir Starmer from the Tories and he was found ' not guity'. Hence the massive lead in the opinion polls. A Tory MP made the accusation. The Police will make a decision. It should rest now!.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 13:10:24 GMT
8-9 changes from Tuesday. Brown & Connolly left out of squad. Either MT have been given assurances or an ultamatian. I think the former.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 12:19:52 GMT
I find it amazing that the Tory party used public funds of between 30-60k recently to fund a personal liable. Not only do the Tories refuse to pay back taxpayers money but the Wiltshire MP in question refuses to resign. They have two bits of the cherry to readdress things. One to pay the money back Two for the Mp to resign. Luckily all the papers are running stories on it. And everyone is asking is it the money returns or resignation ?. The public want fairness not games. If one goes so should the other. If one pays back the public funds . The other should. Its called ethics!. Click below www.itv.com/news/2024-04-11/uk-taxpayers-paid-34000-to-cover-michelle-donelans-libel-caseThis was in relation to a letter sent as part of her ministerial duties, which was also published on social media. The libel action addressed the ministerial letter and as such the relevant government department defended it. My personal view is that she should pay the damages (if not necessarily the costs) herself as she misunderstood the original tweet - but then again if it had gone to court against the legal advice of her department she may well have won and had no damages or costs to pay. Completely different to what Rayner is accused of doing, which is lying to various authorities about various things to make huge personal gain that (if it weren't for an autobiography) might never have come into the public domain... That's open to interpretation and that's uour personal view. The public may see it different. The party denied the ammount and retracted ( isn't that being dishonest ?l). Also taxpayers money being used for personal libel. Its both ethical political and moral which is the same as Rayner . The shaky thing is the Tories have admitted this but failed to take affirmative action. Will see resign ?. Will she pay the taxpayers money back ?. Let's be honest it don't look good and the opposition parties will be using this as double standards. In regards to Rayner she is denying accusations . If she is found guilty not only is her political career over but she could face criminal charges ?. I would of thought the Tories would want to nip this in the bud re : Wilts MP. Like I said it's all over the press and the public will see two sets of hyprocacy by both parties. Rayner denying if found guilty and the Tories blowing taxpayers money . www.tortoisemedia.com/2024/03/08/michelle-donelan-should-taxpayers-foot-the-bill-for-a-ministers-false-claim/Even Tory MPs saying " why have others paid the money back but not her ? " The word is ' Dismay ' !.
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 8:04:02 GMT
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Post by oldmarket65 on Apr 13, 2024 7:51:48 GMT
The issue with Rayner is not all about the money and not all about the crime(s) she may have committed - a huge part of it is about the politics... ...did she lie about where she was living to keep money from the council-house right-to-buy scheme? A scheme she is politically against and has vowed to end. That was a £48k profit and (if as alleged) she wasn't living there from 2010 onwards she should have paid back nearly £17k of the discount she got when she bought it. Then there is the electoral register issue. Whilst being registered at an incorrect address is a crime you can go to prison for, there is no need for that - she didn't benefit by voting in a different ward for example. But that information is also used to calculate council house rates including the single person discount(s). If she and her husband were living together he shouldn't have got a single-person discount. If she was living with her brother she shouldn't have got a single-person discount. The capital gains tax avoidance is worth a small fine and paying what she owes. If she gained from council tax discounts or avoided tax on rental income, that's a small fine and paying what she owes. Her biggest problem is the political one - taking advantage of a scheme she hates to make tens of thousands in profit. If it was a Tory she'd be all over the press calling for investigations and resignations. Instead we've had nearly 8 weeks of her avoiding the media completely - and that's why the actual issues with HMRC/the council/the police are less important to her than the political fallout.... I find it amazing that the Tory party used public funds of between 30-60k recently to fund a personal liable. Not only do the Tories refuse to pay back taxpayers money but the Wiltshire MP in question refuses to resign. They have two bits of the cherry to readdress things. One to pay the money back Two for the Mp to resign. Luckily all the papers are running stories on it. And everyone is asking is it the money returns or resignation ?. The public want fairness not games. If one goes so should the other. If one pays back the public funds . The other should. Its called ethics!. Click below www.itv.com/news/2024-04-11/uk-taxpayers-paid-34000-to-cover-michelle-donelans-libel-case
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