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Post by tommym9 on Nov 27, 2018 20:41:36 GMT
I find the tolerance debate quite confused. Group A promote their view / practice with the expectation that all embrace it, and yet they are intolerant of anyone who has a view that doesn't embrace their view! So, in the case in point all players are expected to wear the laces irrespective of their personal convictions, all club employees have to promote it whatever their beliefs, and all fans are to support it however they feel about it. It has already been pointed out that a Muslim, Christian, Jew... would have a difficulty with this; other, non-religious folk have their own views that don't accord with the premise. The same would be true if the boot was on the other foot (no pun intended!). Instead surely people need to do things according to their conviction rather than being forced, otherwise all you have is a new intolerant imposition! The logical out working of the current approach is a homogenous population with no diversity! Views that differ from the perceived wisdom are then driven underground, is that a desirable outcome? The original objective of freedom of speech and the freedom to live according to your beliefs is being shot in the foot by the very people who think they are championing it! No one is being forced. One of the England rugby players isn't wearing rainbow laces. You're making up a problem that isn't there mate.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 27, 2018 10:19:48 GMT
People can have all the beliefs, bigotries or whatever they want. What's wrong is making other people suffer because of them. The point I am making is that you will never ever change the religious beliefs of so many billions of people. Try walking into your local Mosque to inform them all that they are dicks because of their attitude to Gays. You might as well tell them that Mohamed must be a dick as well for teaching them this. That'll go down well I'm sure. You cannot force someone to change their beliefs or views. This initiative and others like it aren't about forcing someone to change their religious beliefs. For example this isn't forcing Christians to accept gay marriage. This is about everyone feeling welcome at Rovers whatever their beliefs, sexual orientation, race, etc. I'm sure we can all leave our prejudices at the turnstile for 90 minutes every other Saturday.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 26, 2018 22:33:54 GMT
What is classed as a hate crime? a crime motivated by racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 26, 2018 21:43:31 GMT
Unfortunately some people do care A LOT about what some people get up to sexually. While people are getting abused for who they love then things like this will be needed and welcome. What percentage of society do you think care (or are bothered by) enough to resort to abuse? One person is too many. Looking at Stonewalls 2017 figures it's a LOT more than that: www.stonewall.org.uk/sites/default/files/lgbt_in_britain_hate_crime.pdf
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 26, 2018 20:55:00 GMT
Pick a group,make them seperate from society and then tell society to integrate with them 😊 I'm sure most people couldn't care less what someone else gets up to sexually. Unfortunately some people do care A LOT about what some people get up to sexually. While people are getting abused for who they love then things like this will be needed and welcome.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 26, 2018 15:32:42 GMT
Fantastic stuff. Keep up the good work!
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 26, 2018 14:28:46 GMT
Exactly what I wanted to hear from DC
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 24, 2018 9:51:20 GMT
In this episode of GasCast, the lads discuss Wednesday’s FA Cup humiliation at the hands of Barnet, Steve Hamer’s ‘Having a Gas’ interview on BBC Radio Bristol, and give their thoughts on the big question – Darrell Clarke: In or Out? Ollie Neno hosts alongside Harley Thorne & Tom Metcalfe. gas-cast.co.uk/blog/podcast/38-gas-group-therapy/
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 23, 2018 10:44:00 GMT
Thats a shame. A Supporters Trust is a great idea. Problem is having the cash to step in if anything went wrong at short notice. My logic was I'm retired & took my pensions in ready cash. I could,arguably, put up a fair wedge. Rovers' fanbase is notoriously aging. You'd think there's enough like me to be able to raise a significant sum to somehow take over the club. However, I'm no accountant & probably wrong. Portsmouth as an example have ended up back under private ownership,I believe. Only club owned by fans,I believe, is Exeter, & they don't really go anywhere. Sadly modern footballer. Wimbledon are fan owned although I believe they sold a small stake to fund stadium development. The expectations would have to be significantly lowered as the club would HAVE to turn a small profit each year.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 23, 2018 10:11:39 GMT
Well if there is one thing for sure it is that if someone tried this they would get verbally smacked from pillar to post on gaschat by others who say they want something done but in reality can't be arsed to help do it... Reminds me of a guy who tried to get a Supporters Trust going about 5 or 6 years ago. Just got derided & laughed at. Dead easy to post on forums, but actually do anything - well,..... Thats a shame. A Supporters Trust is a great idea. Problem is having the cash to step in if anything went wrong at short notice.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 22, 2018 13:33:02 GMT
Oh god why
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 22, 2018 10:38:59 GMT
Looking for positives out of last night (and there aren't many) it was nice to see Tom get a goal.
The best thing for me was his reaction. You could see how much that goal meant to him and all the players went over to celebrate with him too.
Lets hope that opens the floodgates
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 22, 2018 10:36:38 GMT
I think the boos were justified. Fans have a right to voice their opinions. I also think people have a right to sing you're not fit to wear the shirt if they think players aren't putting their all in.
I doubt it will make the players play any better, but fans are entitled to do the above.
Where the line is crossed for me is swearing at players and getting nasty. By all means slag off their performance, but getting personal isn't on.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 21, 2018 11:47:41 GMT
we did crowd funding, before crowd funding was a thing per se. Mechanism/the basis of something is already there with the Share Scheme. The Share Scheme could easily be remodelled into something more fit for purpose that it's original objective is redundant One for the supporters club to think about maybe?
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 21, 2018 10:02:46 GMT
Sorry I may be moving on to a different topic here, but I was wondering the other day if it would be possible for Rovers to be a fan owned club in the near future. Our fans always seem to be annoyed about how poorly the club is run or the owners doing a poor job and not investing enough money. I also think for the size of Bristol and the fan base (as well as potential fan base) we have, that the value of the club surely isn’t that high in comparison to some others with our fan base. I just wonder if it is a possibility. Having been up to watch FC United of Manchester on the weekend I would be dead keen for this. I just can't see it happening unless the club runs into real trouble and the ALQs need to sell cheaply and quickly for some reason.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 20, 2018 22:18:03 GMT
Mods may have to approve this link, but a really interesting video about how Norwich are getting their training ground built buy allowing fans to buy bonds with rewards.
Unfortunately the ALQs have made it very clear they don't want any investment from fans as this could work really well.
If the below link doesn't work. Look for Tifo football on YouTube and its their second latest video.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 19, 2018 7:41:52 GMT
Thanks for the write up Steve.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 15, 2018 11:04:11 GMT
Thoughts on a second referendum now we know the terms of the deal?
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 14, 2018 10:39:21 GMT
talksport.com/football/efl/445009/championship-leeds-aston-villa-derby-breakaway-efl-football-league-tv-deal/Championship clubs, including Leeds United, Aston Villa and Derby, threaten to break away from EFL over new TV deal The sides want a bigger share of the new deal which is due to begin next season By Billy Hawkins 13th November 2018, 8:18 am Updated: 13th November 2018, 8:19 am Leeds United, Aston Villa and Derby County are among 15 Championship clubs at war with the EFL over a planned new TV deal. A five-year deal with Sky was due to be signed off last month, worth £119 million compared to the £90m valuation of the current contract. The new TV deal is set to begin next season League One and League Two clubs back the new deal, but a host of second tier sides refused to put pen to paper. And, according to The Sun, when a meeting of all 24 clubs was held, 15 of the biggest sides threatened to breakaway from the EFL unless they were given a better deal. Leeds, Villa and Derby are said to be among those disappointed at the new deal only earning Championship clubs £2.95million each, with a further £17.7million in appearance fees shared. The current deal sees Championship sides earn £2.3million each. According to the report, the clubs have been given until next week to reconsider their position, with some believing they should earn as much as double the contracted amount. Sky currently show 148 live matches per season, with the new deal increasing that number to 183. They also have rights for play-off matches and finals, and have started to show games via their red button service.
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Post by tommym9 on Nov 14, 2018 9:35:32 GMT
As an East Stand season-ticket holder this is the first time that I haven't had the option of sitting in my normal seat for a FA Cup match. Closing parts of the ground will only save money if it doesn't put lots of people off of going. Of course, if it does put many off then the club will use the low attendance as proof that the decision to close parts of the ground was the right one! I'm also a fellow East Stand-er and I've taken these opportunities to go in parts of the ground I wouldn't normally. When we beat Crawley in the cup a few years ago I went in the West Stand which is a really decent view. When we played in the league cup this season I went in the Blackthorn for a change. I think closing the East Stand is the right choice as it cuts down the costs for the club and means you're not sat on your own in a sea of empty seats
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