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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 9, 2024 20:33:42 GMT
If you start trolling again expect a VERY long ban.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 4, 2024 17:30:05 GMT
In answer to the OP I have found many things in our clubs recent history much more embarrassing than going non-league.
We were dire the year we went down and absolutely deserved to be relegated.
I seldom get embarrassed by football results, let's face it, we are Rovers fans not Man City supporters.
I enjoyed every bit of DCs time with us. Without relegation, none of what came after would have happened.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 3, 2024 17:26:57 GMT
Apologies for not remembering literally word for word what I wrote in a state of Euphoria several years ago. What I do remember - is from the day he was appointed - telling all and sundry what an utter piece of filth he was, and how ashamed I was that he was manager of this football club. For months on end, numerous posters on here threw vile abuse my way. But I stood up and took it, unmoved in my opinion. Conveniently happy to forget all that though eh? Like all JB supporters; "move on, nothing to see here; he's gone - don't want to discuss it any more or be reminded of us supporting a wife-beater. Please, let us not be reminded of our mistakes, stop talking about him". Pathetic. So yes, feel free to take the p*ss about 1 remark I made in a state of euphoria. Trust me, I definitely feel much better about myself than people like you who supported him and idolised him It was rather more than ‘1 remark’ , so much so yesterday you found the post and deleted it, you decided to hide away your thoughts. You were fickle in the extreme. I have total respect for people like Chewbacca who stood by their position, but you changed your mind on the back of a little success and now continue to attack those who did the same. 👍🏾 A reasonable post, and it's one of the things that I must admit I've struggled with. I was one of the anti Barton people from the off those of us that felt that way were quite nastily shouted down. It's hard not to feel a bit "I told you so" and also feel the need for some of the super fan boys to admit that perhaps they were wrong. But instead all we see is "nothing to see here, lets move on". I took some of the sh** I got for not supporting Barton personally at times, and that takes time to heal. Some contrition would help, but I very much doubt that will happen. I don't care for the " I told you so" posts from some, but I definitely understand why people feel that way.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Apr 2, 2024 18:50:43 GMT
My wife used to work with a bloke called Mike Hunt.
He had no humour about it.
I mean, you'd change your name, surely?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 30, 2024 16:56:48 GMT
Sounds like you have totally lost the plot, maybe a lie down in a darkened room would help? Actually, I think we all need that after yesterday's performance! Real shame you’ve lowered yourself to abuse of mental illness. Maybe time for the moderators to step in. Sad. Saying someone has lost the plot has nothing to do with any diagnosable mental illness so no need for the mods to step in. Unless trolling is detected, then they might....
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2024 16:47:00 GMT
Yesterday is dead and gone, the previous manager left behind a trail of rat poison when he got fired. Too many people fell under his spell and became mesmerised by his influence over things Rovers. The Kuwaities need a fresh start with those involved in senior positions before they bought into the club cleared out from top to bottom. Why? What if the Kuwaities feel TG's doing a reasonable job, not everybody has an odd grudge against Wael and anybody associated with him. Perhaps if they look back though the records they'll see what a disaster SH & MS were before TG was appointed and that makes them think better the devil you know than the clowns you don't know. Being less sh** than SH and MS is neither difficult, nor an achievement. And one could probably make a case that he actually has been worse than both of those.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 24, 2024 16:44:39 GMT
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
I like 02 as a poster but frankly if they can't even supply tiny details of what they say has happened (and for what its worth I believe them) then the only correct position to take is that their claims are not true.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2024 22:24:57 GMT
Thomas for me and you really notice the important players when they are missing. Evans 2nd, Martin 3rd. Totally agree.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2024 22:06:30 GMT
But we don't need to reproduce it here or be seen to endorse it. It was crass to begin with, but looks even more vile now. Surely the OP is Adam Tutton from the CT, so hardly a regular forum user reproducing it on here? I've no idea why this thread wasn't locked/moved as soon as it appeared (and the CT told to remove delete their tweet by the club), given that it always seemed their was more to this story than Kate simply recovering from surgery. That's my opinion, yes. I understand the thought that if someone was stupid enough to tweet that in the clubs name, who are we to sanitize it? Does it do more good to leave it and have the originator of the tweet called out for it? There isn't a straightforward answer.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2024 20:16:32 GMT
I’m not sure you can credit Gorringe with the training ground and new south stand. If we’re going to credit anyone it’s Wael for getting his checkbook out. Even the implementation of the training ground was started under Starnes. All the improvements to the club shop and bars etc are fair game. But I’m not sure the club catering, ticketing, general admission is any better than it was before TG took complete charge. No agenda, just how I see it. The catering and ticketing is worse. He should have lost his job the minute he even suggested Ticket Master.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 22, 2024 20:14:21 GMT
Personally; I feel you live by the sword you die by the sword. I’ve shared with the other mods for their input but personally see no reason to remove Regardless, best wishes to the Princess for a successful course of treatment and a rapid onward recovery. Correct. If you’re going to be daft enough to make a video like this when there’s clearly, something not right going on…..then you have to take the consequences of that silly action. But we don't need to reproduce it here or be seen to endorse it. It was crass to begin with, but looks even more vile now.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 19, 2024 18:20:28 GMT
Have they outsourced his job to someone less competent and completely unconnected to the club?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 2, 2024 19:06:07 GMT
I went for Thomas. He has given everything in every game that I've watched this season.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 19, 2024 6:04:32 GMT
Also, free speech has never existed in the Western world. There have always been one group who have been set upon since forever for wanting or having a voice. Right now it's the gammons wanting to say racist stuff or deliberately misgender someone that are being so terribly oppressed. Tomorrow it will be someone else. Well, you’ve shown your true colours sir. Political. Nothing more. You might want to look into the concept of solipsism. There are principles which are far, far more important than your partisan squabbles. You’re either unable to divorce the two or willfully endorse it because the boots on your foot in current context. Your statement above about not criminalising speech is incongruent with your opening one. You just knew gammon was coming out. Point missed entirely Am I not allowed to use the term Gammon? Heaven forfend.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 18:13:14 GMT
The police don't even knock on doors when you've been burgled. You agree that people are still allowed to say what they want though right? And we alsk agree there are consequences to "free speech". I would probably agree with you that in some cases those consequences may be unjust. Glad I gave you the creeps though. What kind of consequences and for what type of speech? Awfully vague. Yes, if you tell your boss to FO then you’re probably getting fired. On the other hand, you could say you’re opposed to the government in some places and get thrown in jail. Every action has a consequence. I’m not sure the point you’re making. “Free speech” as most people understand it is the ability to hold and vocalise an opinion which isn’t conspiracy to commit a crime without criminal consequences. That old “free speech comes with responsibility” is indeed creepy. It’s a dog whistle for what is basically political censorship. Nobody ever seriously suggested that freedom of speech meant you could call your wife a ton of names and not get divorced. No need to talk in riddles. It’s pretty obvious what freedom of speech means. More or less. Do you believe in criminalising speech which doesn’t directly call for criminal acts? That’s the question Hugo. No need to smoke up the room. It isn’t a myth, it’s what existed in most of the western world until a short time ago. Everyone knew what it meant, which is why the phrase exists. In fact it used to be possibly the fist principle for what western democracies stood for. That, and democracy and press freedom. Long before it became about tolerance and diversity. They actually meant something too, rather than merely a slogan. Also, free speech has never existed in the Western world. There have always been one group who have been set upon since forever for wanting or having a voice. Right now it's the gammons wanting to say racist stuff or deliberately misgender someone that are being so terribly oppressed. Tomorrow it will be someone else.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 17:51:28 GMT
The police don't even knock on doors when you've been burgled. You agree that people are still allowed to say what they want though right? And we alsk agree there are consequences to "free speech". I would probably agree with you that in some cases those consequences may be unjust. Glad I gave you the creeps though. What kind of consequences and for what type of speech? Awfully vague. Yes, if you tell your boss to FO then you’re probably getting fired. On the other hand, you could say you’re opposed to the government in some places and get thrown in jail. Every action has a consequence. I’m not sure the point you’re making. “Free speech” as most people understand it is the ability to hold and vocalise an opinion which isn’t conspiracy to commit a crime without criminal consequences. That old “free speech comes with responsibility” is indeed creepy. It’s a dog whistle for what is basically political censorship. Nobody ever seriously suggested that freedom of speech meant you could call your wife a ton of names and not get divorced. No need to talk in riddles. It’s pretty obvious what freedom of speech means. More or less. Do you believe in criminalising speech which doesn’t directly call for criminal acts? That’s the question Hugo. No need to smoke up the room. It isn’t a myth, it’s what existed in most of the western world until a short time ago. Everyone knew what it meant, which is why the phrase exists. In fact it used to be possibly the fist principle for what western democracies stood for. That, and democracy and press freedom. Long before it became about tolerance and diversity. They actually meant something too, rather than merely a slogan. No, I don't believe in curtailment or the criminalising of any speech.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 15:55:25 GMT
Freedom of speech is a myth. People are still free to say whatever they like. What isn't is the consequences of exercising that freedom. There are consequences to words and actions. Often when people complain about having their freedom of speech denied, what they really mean is that they don't like what happens once they have said or done something society no longer tolerates. Freedom of speech is a concept, not a myth. There is a huge difference between criminalising people for threatening to kill people and criminalising people for “hate speech”, which is an opinion, not a threat. This is a fairly new invention and had a whole host of potential adaptations. It’s an insult, and that’s a whole other bag of worms. Currently the police are knocking on peoples doors for misgendering people on twitter. If folks don’t see an issue with that, however cruel doing so might be, they want their heads looked at. The police pulled an autistic girl out by her legs because she said a police officer looked like a lesbian. This is where this kind of opinion gets you. It’s totalitarianism and it’s claiming it’s a myth just seeks to normalise what are totalitarian behaviours from authorities. It’s a concept and it’s up for debate and it’s quite possible not to be a racist/sexist whatever and still find this kind of thing utterly disgusting and Orwellian Your last paragraph is just “you’re either with us or against us” rephrased . It gives me the creeps. The police don't even knock on doors when you've been burgled. You agree that people are still allowed to say what they want though right? And we alsk agree there are consequences to "free speech". I would probably agree with you that in some cases those consequences may be unjust. Glad I gave you the creeps though.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 14:56:54 GMT
Freedom of speech is a myth.
People are still free to say whatever they like.
What isn't is the consequences of exercising that freedom.
There are consequences to words and actions.
Often when people complain about having their freedom of speech denied, what they really mean is that they don't like what happens once they have said or done something society no longer tolerates.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 14:05:34 GMT
Please use the report feature in the future so that it will definitely get flagged to the mods. Thank you. I think it was you Hugo who called out that second comment. Oh, lol. Sorry.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Feb 18, 2024 13:53:17 GMT
There have been two posts in the last couple of days that to me demonstrate rascism. The post yesterday about black players. The post yesterday or Friday that in the last sentence said the new owners should go back home. Both were called out, both should have got a ban. Please use the report feature in the future so that it will definitely get flagged to the mods. Thank you.
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