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Post by gasify on Dec 14, 2023 8:38:24 GMT
Surely Tuesday was a clear example of what can happen if you have a mobile forward line away from home and are able to sit deeper, take the pressure and respond on the break. It was such a contrast to the slow laborious predictable build up of just a couple of days earlier against Cheltenham. JCH may score goals but he is not fast and he will not cover back effectively and we can only really afford one such luxury in the team. Collins covers back when he is in the mood and Brown goes through the motions but hopefully Taylore will be able to pursuad both to work harder at that aspect of the game . I was worried that we may be conractually obliged to buy him but someone at Crewe was saying that there is no agreement in place. - allegedly came from a chat with Wael. that's how we should have set up against Cheltenham. They had a 38 year old defender and we put Martin up top. Agree. I want to see an attacking performance. An intent of wanting to score goals. Any team that tries to play it out from the back should be under pressure from our forward line and will make mistakes and give opportunities.
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Post by gasify on Dec 14, 2023 8:33:39 GMT
Strange , isn’t it? Years of anyone who dares question Joey being called haters etc went ignored. A few weeks of the shoe being on the other foot and we are told to just forget he ever was here and move on. I think some people are struggling to look in the mirror knowing they actively campaigned for the bloke when he was here and now can’t face the reality he is a complete **** after all. Or maybe it's just a case of trying to save the energy and fully getting behind the new manager without constantly having to quabble with others about the previous one. What's more strange is certain posters calling others Barton devotees just because they've moved on, even though their opinion was exactly the same as there's 😄 You can't think for a second that the next game we don't perform there won't be a small number of posters who haven't moved on reminding us that they haven't moved on? We have four difficult games on paper coming up. It's going to be even more toxic if posters bring back "Told you we shouldn't have sacked JB" rhetoric.
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Post by gasify on Dec 14, 2023 8:00:58 GMT
Fair proportion of people with nothing else to do but post on here multiple times daily keyboard warriors all very sad 😂 I know. People on here creating content for others. Just sad.
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Post by gasify on Dec 14, 2023 7:57:53 GMT
It is very common these days to project, not just in this issue but universally. Usually if someone accuses someone of hatred they generally are toxic to begin with. It’s like that person you dated who says they “hate drama” - usually the cause of drama. Usually the standard modus operandi of “kind” people is to try to get anyone they don’t like banned, fired or at the very least, clique up on them to be unpleasant. Usually you’ll need a moral pretext: “this person said X. I’m interpreting this as Y. Society hates Y. Therefore all this pent up anger can be release on Y, because society says they’re bad. Thus, I have found a way to be really nasty but it’s OK, because I’ve found a hack to be revolting to people without being called out” The causes change, the reasons change but you’ll never habe a shortage of people willing to adapt their beliefs and views provided it allows them to get the taser in their hand. Human beings are tribal and always have and always will work on an in-group, out-group dynamic and dehumanise the latter. Look at politics from all angles. It’s not the point to be debated, it’s winning which is important. You can see this where 2 politicians can make the same basic point but one will be vilified and the other celebrated. Tribal, it’s how our minds work. There is no grey. You’re either with us or against us, and we all do it. I really hope you have a very warm and fulfilling Christmas. 💙
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Post by gasify on Dec 14, 2023 7:52:40 GMT
I can confirm I am a saint 😇 But your point is pretty weak. The reason why many of us were uncomfortable with a well established violent thug being a prominent figurehead at Rovers is it that it reflected badly on our club. It also drew out the sorts of fans that CELEBRATED his kind of behaviour (remember some bloke got a flag made saying “Light the cigars”? 🙄). Impressionable young fans might have looked up to him as a role model. They still might… which is an even bigger concern given the direction he is now heading 😬 It amuses me the amount of people who say that they “were never Barton fans” and “don’t excuse his behaviour” or are “not defending him”… but then go on to try and excuse his behaviour / defend him etc 😂😂😂 I say I wasn’t defending him because I wasn’t. And was trying to ask you a question without wanting you to chuck JB in a reply. I was more generally thinking of individuals who may have stepped over the lawless line and been prosecuted for that particular indiscretion. Should we not show a little compassion for such people once they’ve served their time or should we thumb our noses at them because of our saintly behaviour? You just sound sanctimonious in your reply’s. You tell me I was excusing JB’s behaviour even though I categorically said I wasn’t. But you know best🤷♂️ This is good for discussion and a healthy one at that. When you say the two things in a connected conversation, they are connected. If you had started a thread 4 years ago "Fess up, who has weed in an alleyway" You would have got your point across in isolation that no one is without sin. I do understand that principle. However, when you put that same question into a conversation about someone's criminal behaviour then you are absolutely giving the impression to others that you are defending that behaviour. Crime is a spectrum. On one end, you have kids stealing from a sweet shop. On the other you have pedophiles, rapists and murderers. By comparing the two ends of the spectrum is ignoring their difference in hurt to those around them and society. If I owned a sweet shop, I would definately give a child a second (probably third, fourth and fifth) chance in my shop. However. I wouldn't leave a convicted Pedophile alone with my children. Or a violent rapist at home alone with my wife. I understand your perspective that no one is without their "Skelletons" and only those that truly don't have them should look down on his behaviour. My perspective and I think I talk for others are around the types of act that has been undertaken. If JB had been caught stealing a can of coke from a supermarket or a shop on Gloucester Road. I don't think many would have reacted in the way that they did when he joined. When he got caught driving without insurance, it was a misdemeanor that was quickly forgotten.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 22:55:20 GMT
You posted 13 negative posts in less than one day after a draw on Saturday, one of which said the board shouldn’t listen to the minuscule minority. Great win last night and not one positive post about it. You can see how that comes across, surely. I was only saying to Roadman as I was driving up the M6 this morning that I hope you were okay as you’d been quiet. Glad to see you are still here, I enjoy your posts even if they don’t match up with my views very often think you will find the majority were negative after Saturday.just to say that I did ok when taylor hit good odds after his sacking at rotherham Beers on you then? You'll be surprised to hear, I'll have a Thatchers Gold.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 22:32:54 GMT
To be fair, this is on topic and being discussed like adults? I thought Betty had stopped using the forum when they didn’t come on to congratulate the new manager on an excellent first win last night. Dude (or Dudette) by all means discuss why we are upset about being shut down, both when we were expressing our unhappiness at his appointment and how the new manager can take us forward. I do think that we should 'keep it classy', no need for cheap shots. Someone quoted Michelle Obama the other day "When they go low, we go high". Not a bad strategy, especially as the view from the moral high ground is pretty good.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 22:26:04 GMT
Feel sorry for the mods.why every thread? To be fair, this is on topic and being discussed like adults?
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 22:17:38 GMT
I would never justify some of the law breaking things JB has done. Seems like a not very nice bloke if the mood takes him. But we can now forget him as he is no longer our manager. Simple really as when he was, by default we wanted him to be a success despite of his past. I do wonder if you’ve ever thrown a punch in anger in your life? Ever done anything that maybe you shouldn’t have? watered up an alleyway? Shouted abuse to opposing players? Drove a car after two pints? Or are you just the perfect saint who can live in that glass house? Like I said, this is not defending anyone just questioning the high horse some people feel they are entitled to ride. I’ve watered in a lane but I’ve never been to prison for beating someone up or stubbed a cigar out in someone’s eye. I’ve also never been in a situation with my wife that she’s felt the need to press the number 9 three times and demand I’m removed from the property we live in. I think that this entitles me to to take a high horse over someone who has. These last two posts ( before sleepygas slipped one in!) sum up the last 2 years or so. One side trivialised the things that JB has done and tries to use whataboutism to defend him. You might not think that you are defending his actions, but it comes across as just that. Being put behind bars for abh cannot be compared to weeing in the street or shouting at opposition fans. If you had said: Ever done anything that maybe you shouldn’t have? Like put out a cigar in an opposition fans eye. Or kicked your wife in the head when she was on the floor. (Which are the true comparable activities) Then I would expect a resounding "No". But that isn't the way its asked. It's asked compared to weeing in an alleyway. Shouting abuse at away fans. Which suggests that the person asking that question sees putting a cigar out in someone's eye is an act comparable with weeing in the street. It's just not the way the other side of the argument sees it. The easiest was to prove the point is to ask the question: What would you prefer? Someone weeing in your front garden or someone stubbing a cigar out in your eye?
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 20:20:25 GMT
Hate is a strong word, banded about far to loosely, often to exaggerate a point, when it should be reserved for the Putins of this world. This is just football Can I also add Legend to the list of words used to often? It's losing its impact.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 20:11:59 GMT
Hating this thread - full of master haters Would you prefer a thread of Master debaters?
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 20:01:31 GMT
I thought a Hater was someone who disliked JB? Maybe we should get the definitions agreed before we stop using them? Agree with Albaron I think I personally called them hounders…. Hounding other BRFC supporters because they were supporting the team at the time (not necessarily supporting the departed manager). The supporters didn’t employ the manager. I can only relate the hounders to being something like them having a go at the monkey about the tune being played and not having the guts to take it up direct with the organ grinder (the BRFC board direct). Happy to see a good away win and as I mentioned before if Matt Taylor can get us going in the right direction and finish above 11th position then all is positive. Long way to go, let’s see where we are come the end of January. Hopefully above 11th position and ahead of bl**dy Northampton!! I disagree. Some were most definately supporting JB the person and not just JB the manager. You don't throw abuse at people in the way that it has been thrown on this forum towards anyone who stood up for their own beliefs and rejected JB from being at the club. That's the point isn't it. If it had originally been a good debate about the pros and cons of having someone with the criminal and footballing record of JB as the manager then maybe we wouldn't find ourselves in this situation. The fact was that anyone who disagreed was called names and were told to go down Ashton Gate. And now, the worm has turned they don't like it back. I am always happy to debate, but not happy to have abuse thrown at me an called names by faceless keyboard warriors.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 18:40:50 GMT
It is OK to call someone a "hater" if they say anything negative about JB (our Lord and Saviour). It is not OK to call someone a "hater" if they say something negative about MT (particularly if the motivation for doing so is purely because they are still mourning the loss of JB.. eg. those who instantly started referring to the new gaffer as Tisdale 2) Barton cult logic. It is okay for somebody who would not have the bottle to call Joey a Fool or similar to his face to instantly do so on Gas Chat once they know he is no longer at the club, hmm, pot kettle black. Not sure if this is your intention but it sounds like: You wouldn't say this to JB face as you would be scared of getting beat up by him. Is that what you are saying?
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 15:47:52 GMT
I hate Bristol City, what does that make me? A Gashead.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 13:56:10 GMT
Please can certain posters stop referring to others as haters just because they supported Joey Barton. Yes I was firmly in the Barton camp. But I now recognise he has gone and so I am fully behind Matt Taylor. I also want Rovers to win every match as I would imagine all Rovers fans will do. So in the interest of common sense can certain supporters refrain from calling others haters. I thought a Hater was someone who disliked JB? Maybe we should get the definitions agreed before we stop using them?
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 12:56:07 GMT
My view is that it wasn't the links and contacts that changed, it was what we were prepared to give up. This view is purely based on the Balcombe signing. When in our history have we ever guaranteed a start for the first 5 games? I would expect that this isn't isolated. Under DC we had some loan players, but DC didn't really play them and saw them more as back up players. Coburn is quite a good example of this. Not the guaranteed starts but what we're we prepared to give. In Coburns situation it was waiting until October for him to be fit (when did we start contributing to his wages?). For me, the Jury is still out on Luke Thomas. He runs alot but I don't see much by the way of end product. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza. That leaves Bobby Thomas, who was alright but not fantastic. Then has an argument with the manager and then gets sold for £2m which for me was unbelievable. So, if Taylor is prepared to put the club in a position where someone else dictates our starting 11 then I reckon we can continue to get these 'quality' loans in. Disagree on Luke Thomas. He breaks defensive lines and is involved in most of our best attacking play, even scoring a couple himself this season. It was also 3 games when we signed Balcombe, not 5, otherwise we had to pay a loan fee. That was a bizarre situation and no loan player should be guaranteed to start. I would love to be proved wrong, he could be the Westcountry Gazza Lets see what happens. 3 or 5. For me its the fact that games were guaranteed. It makes you wonder if anyone else is on a deal like that.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 7:10:21 GMT
If I remember rightly it used to be the case that clubs can claim expenses for an overnight stay etc against the gate receipts if traveling over a certain distance. Regardless, if the the club thinks the competition is a priority then they would be selecting the strongest team. You are absolutely right. "In an unprecedented move, Scarborough will keep 100 per cent of the gate receipts in the replay and Forest Green will not receive accommodation expenses - as per the FA verdict." So, someone maybe needed to explain that to the new owners? (Or the story is a load of b*llox)
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 6:41:28 GMT
Looking for a 1st team physio too. View AttachmentOther jobs advertised for Bristol Rovers are Financial Controller, Head of Media & Marketing, Head of Commercial, and Chef - All Levels. They are about 15-20k too low for that position.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 6:14:05 GMT
The FM was clearly dead, or at least not going anywhere, when Wael decided to spend £2m/£3m on the new stand. But you do accept that it is a temporary stand? No concrete, bolted together steelwork and all that? The steel hides the temporary bit. From the Thatchers it looks like a well built stand and you wouldn't be able to tell it was temporary from that distance. However, when you are in it I would expectvthe temporary nature to be obvious with wooden floors and the concorse will feel strange when compared to a permanent concourse covered in concrete.
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Post by gasify on Dec 13, 2023 6:07:56 GMT
I do worry at times about where the new owners are leading us, why they bought us, what the plan for us is, and what shocks lie ahead as their master plan is revealed. Of course a large part of this feeling is based on what I read on here, so I probably shouldn't get too concerned. It's a fine line though between keeping your cards close to your chest and scaring people. If they came in and said "our ambitions is to bring championship football to Rovers and we are going to do that by increasing the capacity and increasing the average spend per customer per game from £30 to £50". We need to do that for three years before we can make the investment leap from League 1 wages to Championship wages. Oh and we also want to earn 10% net profit for return on capital invested in the club. What would the fans reaction be? However, if they make changes (we are already at £5.50 a pint and £4.50 a pasty and £26 a ticket) incrementally, we will moan a little but just get on with paying it and reluctantly accept it. Football is a funny business. When I go to Tesco, I don't feel that I am invested in them. I don't really care where I shop. I certainly don't have the bants with my Asda shopping colleague. What I do know is that it must be so difficult to run a football club. Every decision gets micro analysed by customers (yes, we are customers) there will never be a decision that 100% agree on. If you haven't experienced lower league football in the UK previously and your view of football is what you see on TV Week in and out before taking one the club, you are going to be shell shocked for a good while as the reality sinks in.
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