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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 21:24:07 GMT
Pretty pointless saying what would fans think if it wasn't JB, you could say would DC have been tolerated for so long before he was dismissed if he wasn't DC, the fact is he was JB and the vast majority of fans on Tuesday night weren't calling for him to be dismissed, as they did with Buckle in the past. Unlike DC's leaving it seems most fans were surprised JB wasn't at least given until this weekend's game. Although none of us really know why he was dismissed, was it purely on results or something else he did to upset the new owners. I don't agree. JB has been given more slack in 2023 that any manager I can remember.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 18:03:14 GMT
I think everyone was stunned as to how rubbish we were. They scored in the 40th minute. We weren't losing for 40 minutes yet the atmosphere was dead at that time. On the back of the defeat against Burton, we expected the players to ho out there and make amends. They didn't. In the second half Harvey Vale came on and was up for it. I think it’s a big leap to go from a flat atmosphere to a vast majority of the crowd demanding the managers sacking. I haven’t missed a game at the Mem and just haven’t heard anyone on a matchday shouting for the manager to go. You may have missed this post: gaschat.co.uk/post/956741
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 17:58:32 GMT
Yep, thank you for being so sh**e at your job Joey that we no longer have to deal with the absolute w**ker you are representing us. Over 5000 Gasheads on Instagram disagree with your your hater viewpoint. Over 5000 gasheads like his ppst saying goodbye. You could Spin that as 5000 like him saying goodbye. Personally, the reason that it has so many likes is that finally he is showing humility.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 17:52:30 GMT
On Tuesday night, I never had the sense that 95% of the crowd still backed him. On the Thatchers where I stand, there was serious discontent with the manager and the way we were playing. "Haven't a clue", "Time is up" was mentioned more than once by different people around me. Were you at the game on Tuesday? The atmosphere was a shocker. The first half especially. Maybe it was halloween atmosphere? The place was more like a grave yard. Atmosphere wasn’t great but not often is when we are losing - nothing hostile towards the manager where I was stood on the West Terrace and nothing last year when I was stood on the East. Like I said if 95% of the crowd wanted him out I’d have expected choruses of boo’s towards him and chants of Barton Out but nothing. I think everyone was stunned as to how rubbish we were. They scored in the 40th minute. We weren't losing for 40 minutes yet the atmosphere was dead at that time. On the back of the defeat against Burton, we expected the players to ho out there and make amends. They didn't. In the second half Harvey Vale came on and was up for it.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 17:47:04 GMT
I have been a regular supporter since 1963 . I think his team, that he recruited is the best in depth and quality in that time. In 42 seasons since 1963 we have finished in a higher position than last year and what we're currently in. Facts. Blah, blah blah.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 15:35:44 GMT
This attracting loans and players thing. I don't think it is down to JB, but down to money. You only have to look at Plymouth. Last season, they attracted good quality loan players. I always thought Schumacher was a racing car driver. Vale said in last week's interview JB convinced him to sign? Young loan players are looking for moves which will further their careers not looking for who pays them the most money I assume experienced players are looking at money, location and what the club can offer them generally. Do you think he would have said "I came to Rovers as they offered me the most money"? When have you ever heard a player be honest like that?
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 15:33:32 GMT
I completely get what you are saying. My comment was a flippant response to a ridiculous comment that was based on nothing but the posters emotional bias towards JB. As a Centrist, are you happy with any manager assembling the best squad (and most expensive wage bill) ever and returning 1.23 pts per game this season? The really interesting thing is, remove the name JB and I think any manager in that situation would be sacked. Remove the name JB and most of the fan base would be unhappy with that return and calling for the owners to do something before its too late. And for what did he do for the club. As a centrist, what do you think he did? To answer your questions, I wouldn't say I'm happy with the points return, but I think there are enough extenuating circumstances and enough credit in the bank, and signs, that we could have turned it around once players returned from injury and we clicked a bit more. I think it's too early to sack him on footballing terms, and hiring someone else is a big gamble. That's regardless of the name JB or not, I'd say the same about any manager and I certainly don't have blind faith in Barton, I just favour stability, the lack of which 3 years ago saw us go from an established L1 club to a basket case in less than 18 months. What do I think he did for the club? He certainly sorted out what was a dire track record of recruitment, and improved playing standards across the board, and did what many others struggle to do in reality and got us straight back up and kept us back in L1 pretty easily. Sadly his in-game tactical knowledge was what was lacking more often than not. There always have to be a time when the trigger has to be pulled. The points return and form this season hasn't been good enough. The credit in the bank ran out between Jan 23 and May 23.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 15:10:26 GMT
That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. Like many areas of modern life it’s the minority making most of the noise and getting carried away with their perceptions of self importance. I’ve seen lots of managers sacked (both at Rovers and elsewhere) and in most cases there is a gradual growing and vocal expression of dissatisfaction towards the manager. Those attending games are the most important and I didn’t sense 95% of the crowd were demanding his sacking. On Tuesday night, I never had the sense that 95% of the crowd still backed him. On the Thatchers where I stand, there was serious discontent with the manager and the way we were playing. "Haven't a clue", "Time is up" was mentioned more than once by different people around me. Were you at the game on Tuesday? The atmosphere was a shocker. The first half especially. Maybe it was halloween atmosphere? The place was more like a grave yard.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:58:34 GMT
This attracting loans and players thing. I don't think it is down to JB, but down to money.
You only have to look at Plymouth. Last season, they attracted good quality loan players.
I always thought Schumacher was a racing car driver.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:55:41 GMT
If dean Holden steps anywhere near the club there should be hell to pay Whoever we get we'll get what we deserve now, I have no faith in RoversWhat does that mean? No faith in the team? No faith in the board? No faith in the owners? No faith in the yet to be decided manager? What a silly thing to say.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:51:16 GMT
I just want us to move on and personally I want to enjoy going again. Simples! UTG It's a bit like the grieving process. As a fan base we need go through: denial anger bargaining depression acceptance We should be doing that as a collective for this all to be healthy.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 7:47:54 GMT
That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. As a "centrist" in this debate, I'd just like to say that on the extremes of both sides of the argument, it is just overblown bias, which massively reduces the impact of any points you make. Just like those that blindly defend Barton in everything he did or does, you are an example blinded by bias on the opposite end of the spectrum. There are many Rovers fans that like Barton and appreciate what he did for the club. Why can't you try to respect that? I completely get what you are saying. My comment was a flippant response to a ridiculous comment that was based on nothing but the posters emotional bias towards JB. As a Centrist, are you happy with any manager assembling the best squad (and most expensive wage bill) ever and returning 1.23 pts per game this season? The really interesting thing is, remove the name JB and I think any manager in that situation would be sacked. Remove the name JB and most of the fan base would be unhappy with that return and calling for the owners to do something before its too late. And for what did he do for the club. As a centrist, what do you think he did?
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 6:19:50 GMT
If you stay away because you think the manager is mean, you’re an evangelising activist and not a fan. It has to be all about you. Welcome back to supporting the club, until the next time you get your knickers up the cleft of your buttocks because the left back once had a parking ticket. Very few people here were in a “cult of barton” as it’s been described. We have loyalty to the club we support which is non-negotiable. Whomever the next man is gets the same support. Crow all you like, as if you’ve won something. You’ve won nothing other than to be thought of as pretentious children more interested in morally auditing everyone than supporting a football club. Politics is probably a better home than football, there’s plenty of backstabbing and plots to fire people there. Rest assured, you’ve been permanently relegated to an armchair fan. I think that phrase came about due to the points return in 2023 and still people were defending him. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Even now, when he has been sacked. Fans make comments about players not performing and say if I didn't perform in my job, I would get sacked. JB didn't perform. In fact, there is a chance that some of the things he said about players publicly could be construed as Gross misconduct in a non football job. Imagine in your job talking on the radio about your competitor being a fat Weeble. You would get fired the next day. If you deal with facts and not emotions, the simple case is that JB wasn't a very good manager.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 6:12:43 GMT
Surely the moral crusaders will continue their boycott until we get rid of Jevani Brown ? The real question to ask here is: Is Jevani Brown performing? Probably not at the moment, so maybe we should get rid...?
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 6:07:49 GMT
Did you stay away when Russell Osman kept us up? 1.75 points per game, wasn't it? No. What's that to do with these guys. Next Lee Johnson will be considered 🤢 "If we appoint anyone with City connection"
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 5:30:56 GMT
If we appoint anyone with City connection, I think I will do a Hugo and what other did and just not go. Cotteril and Holden should never be considered. Did you stay away when Russell Osman kept us up? 1.75 points per game, wasn't it?
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 5:24:58 GMT
Not the news i expected to hear today, think a large majority of fans would have given JB more time to turn the season around, some (like me) were convinced he would take Rovers on to better things and that he understood us and our long suffering fans, a small minority will be dancing in the street as they continue there crusade against him using hateful language as they have since his appointment, if they confined their criticism to on field matters ,tactics and the like , then that is fine and leads to good robust debate but some don't, they have used language to describe JB which many strongly object to, you read stuff on here like 'we are most hated club in the division', 'dragging the club through the gutter', and as for dividing the fan base well see Big Jocks post on that one, he put's it better than anyone. I assume the decision was taken by new kids on the block as Wael obviously had every confidence in JB, all will be revealed in due course no doubt, think it to early in season to be a results based decision, so we shall see, meanwhile thanks JB for your passion and for your efforts to put the club on an upwards path, sorry you couldn't finish the job, good luck in the future and i hope you are received warmly should you return to the Mem with a new club I think this has been discussed in many matchday forums, do you not read the comments like: "Out thought by another manager" "No Plan B" "Lots of possession but now real threat" "Passing the ball between the defenders and the keeper is boring football" "We don't get the ball forward quickly enough" "Playing players out of position, again" As for the off field antics. It was either JB to blame for the embarrassment of the domestic violence episode or it was his wife. It was either JB to blame for driving without insurance or his brother (maybe brother in law?) Either way, at best these were gifts for the dark side to take the p*ss. I'm not sure any other football club had their manager in court twice in less than two years of being in the position. You may find that acceptable, others don't.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 5:16:01 GMT
I didn’t say he was a legend ! He could have been - we will never know ! I wish whoever takes takes over the very best of luck. I would never want the gas to fail, especially to prove a point . That was a very churlish comment from you . Goodnight Utg 💙. POST FOR GASIFY "I didn’t say he was a legend ! He could have been - we will never know !"I know, I didn't accuse you of that. The term 'Legend' in the modern world is over used. I was responding generically as I have seen lots of people refer to him as one. To me, he just put back the league 1 status that he stole the season before. "I wish whoever takes takes over the very best of luck."Great stuff. This gives us all an opportunity to unite as a fan base. We do have to accept that moving forward, we will get some idiots on the matchday thread saying: "We shouldn't have sacked JB" "Its not (insert new managers name here) team, so they don't have the same level of accountability" "I would never want the gas to fail, especially to prove a point ." Glad to hear that, I am the same. I would rather JB have left us for a bigger club after promotion to the Championship rather than deliver the results that we have seen in 2023. "That was a very churlish comment from you ."It was designed to be in all honesty. It was a throwback to all the times that anyone on this forum has accused a fellow fan of wanting the team to lose. There have been lots of people on this forum, setting themselves up to regurgitate their comment on this forum. If we are still in this position in the league towards the end of the season, then they will quote this thread in a playground "Told you so". The facts of the matter is 1.26 pts per game will just about keep us in the division. With the backing that JB got financially, we should be producing better than that.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 5:00:23 GMT
That's hilarious. I suggest it's the other way round and only 5% of fans wanted him to stay. Your talking absolute crap! What was crap was his points per game return, with what has been said by many as the best squad ever assembled (I don't necessarily agree with that mind) and the biggest wage bill.
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Post by gasify on Oct 27, 2023 4:56:05 GMT
I have read messages on twitter. From what I can see, maybe 50 messages of support. How many messages are you seeing? 50 messages is hardly 95% of the fan base. Almost every single message I have seen has been positive towards him. We must have very different following accounts That's something we can be proud of as a group of fans. It would be easy for 'Barton Haters' to hit out at him, its good to see that they are showing restraint. Your comment that I was responding to was "It seems 95% of the fan base don't want to see him fired." 50 messages doesn't equate to 95% of the fanbase. If you had said "95% of the messages I've seen have been wishing him all the best and thanking him" Then I would agree with that and I think that is something we can all be proud of as a collective.
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