|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 19:43:00 GMT
Mr A suggested in his recent interview the terracing would remain, I assume we'll build a stand behind the north terrace, although that could change as I'd imagine sorting out the East Stand will take some time. Don't quote me on this and I can't be bothered to listen to his interview again but I think he said standing / safe standing will remain as we know our supporters like to stand? Something along those lines. Maybe I am watching the wrong interview.Just watched this one again: No mention of standing or safe standing. Says next project is north and south of east terrace and then Thatchers and Cooling area. Anyone got a link to the one mentioning safe standing?
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 17:39:43 GMT
Problem is, "This board or directors" are different to the board of directors that were responsible for some of the things you mention. In the same way as Wael pulled out of the UWE deal, these guys have pulled out of the fruit market (I never liked the idea of the fruit market, if I was honest). So, they redevelop some of the current stadium (if you can call it that at the moment), got to be better than doing nothing? We all do realise that once the redevelopment has happened, a matchday ticket will be over £30. We will all be sitting and that just costs more, regardless of which league we are in. The new owners have never run a football club before, so when you say they have no clue how to run a football club then you are 100% correct. What I am hoping is that they can run it as a business with profits being generated as that really is the only chance that Rovers will still be here in the long term. We just have to hope that they get it right. If the owners have no idea how to run a football club why don't they appoint somebody who does? There's so much secrecy around the club at present we've no real idea what they are doing, all we really get his updates via Dan Hargreaves regarding various manager were supposedly interviewing but we've no real idea if they are being interviewed, DH could be making it up just to get website hits, or just being fed false info. The new co-owner clearly stated terracing would remain after Stage's 1,2 & 3 were completed so why are you suggesting otherwise? You've asked a few questions. I will answer them, unlike when posters ask you questions and I don't expect responses to my questions to you: I said they have no clue right now about running a football club, but the bit you ignored is that I hope they run it like a business. A football club has to be run as a business, it can't be run as a football club any more. My point here (made very badly) is that it's a positive thing that they haven't got a clue about running a football club. It means that they can look at things from a different perspective and add value due to that different perspective. As for the secrecy, there always has been. Do you think it would be fair for them to tell us who they have interviewed and who they have dismissed and who is on their short list? I remember under the Wael days, he wasn't that great a communicator. Some said that if you tweeted (or Xeeted) him, he would always answer. However when has he really given information to the fans apart from times when he has had to due to that info leaking from the press anyway. We have the interview that the new owner did, explaining about the sacking of JB and the fruit market. If you think back, that is probably more than Wael provided in his first 3 months at the helm. Dan Hargreaves may well be making it up to get hits. Come to think about it, isn't that literally his job...? The pieces that I have seen from him have been more 'editorial' and speculation type pieces than reporting on facts type pieces. As for terracing, they have said they want to redevelop the Thatchers end. I can't really see the need for this to be redeveloped unless there were seats going in. I must have missed where they said there would still be terracing. Have you got a link? However, saying that there will be terracing and saying that the Thatchers will remain a terrace or that there will be terracing for 6k people are different things. How do you think the Thatchers end will be redeveloped and remain as a terrace?
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 15:42:22 GMT
What do you mean by 'Patch their defence"? Pack soz. I suppose the question I have is "So what?". We have played teams that pack the defence from the 1st minute, they have a fancy name for it these days. Low block or park the bus. Teams do it with 11 players and do it when a player is red carded. It should still be an advantage to the team with an extra player.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 14:52:16 GMT
Local footy have a ten minute sin bin for dissent.Gets complicated if a player has already been booked and when down to ten men ,teams simply pach their defence. What do you mean by 'Patch their defence"?
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 14:39:59 GMT
The new owners are a little damned if they do and damned if they don't. You could infer quite a lot into not having someone lined up already: It fits the rhetoric that JB was sacked for his mouth, rather than the results. There is not currently an emergency, so buys time to find the right person. They have a really good idea of what they want and just haven't found it yet. They just can't make their minds up as they are scared of getting it wrong. With a lack of detail being released (and probably rightly so) we won't know what is happening. If any of the above is true or is just made up inference. While we don't have a burning reason for shipping Mangan off, it would be good to have someone in place before December to plan the transfer window (unless JCH is already a done deal...?). Patience Gasheads. I'm sorry But I don't think this board of directors have a clue of running a football club. They were clueless on the state of play regarding the " Fruit Market " site. The JCH transfer fiasco . Re- building the Mem at the cheapest possible way. and now appointing a new manager. Other clubs notably City & Oxford have shown the way how it should be done. I bet this time in a weeks time we will still be in limbo but another couple of names added to our list as past favourites have sighned up to other clubs. Problem is, "This board or directors" are different to the board of directors that were responsible for some of the things you mention. In the same way as Wael pulled out of the UWE deal, these guys have pulled out of the fruit market (I never liked the idea of the fruit market, if I was honest). So, they redevelop some of the current stadium (if you can call it that at the moment), got to be better than doing nothing? We all do realise that once the redevelopment has happened, a matchday ticket will be over £30. We will all be sitting and that just costs more, regardless of which league we are in. The new owners have never run a football club before, so when you say they have no clue how to run a football club then you are 100% correct. What I am hoping is that they can run it as a business with profits being generated as that really is the only chance that Rovers will still be here in the long term. We just have to hope that they get it right.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 11:33:40 GMT
As much as I like the bloke appointing Mangan would be one of the biggest cop outs in our recent history. It will prove that the suits running the club have absolutely no idea on football matters… start the countdown clock for March and a desperation search to find someone to keep us in League One, Seriously Rovers never fail to under achieve - it’s Paul Trollope ground hog day all over again. The new owners are a little damned if they do and damned if they don't. You could infer quite a lot into not having someone lined up already: It fits the rhetoric that JB was sacked for his mouth, rather than the results. There is not currently an emergency, so buys time to find the right person. They have a really good idea of what they want and just haven't found it yet. They just can't make their minds up as they are scared of getting it wrong. With a lack of detail being released (and probably rightly so) we won't know what is happening. If any of the above is true or is just made up inference. While we don't have a burning reason for shipping Mangan off, it would be good to have someone in place before December to plan the transfer window (unless JCH is already a done deal...?). Patience Gasheads.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 11:26:40 GMT
My manifesto for this would be: 1) When a player argues with a ref, move the ball 10 yards. This needs to be done 100% of the time. The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen. 2) Any player that does the card sign should get a yellow and removed from the pitch for 10 minutes. The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen. 3) Any player that celebrates in front of the opposition should get a yellow and be removed from the pitch for 10 minutes. The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen. Any red card offences to be yellows and be removed from the pitch for 10 minutes and then reviewed by the forth ref to upgrade to a red. All yellow cards involve a 10 minute removal from the pitch. I see the issue in football refereeing is this concept of having 'Common sense'. No, we should remove this subjectivity. It needs to be consistent. It will take less than half a season of strong implementation to teach the players that their behaviour have to change. We also have an issue where people say "We didn't come here to see you ref". If a ref has lots of decisions to be made, it is the players fault, not the refs. Then finally, this one is just to provoke! Any fan who who is disagreeing with the referee is made to referee a Sunday league game the next day (for a Saturday match) and the next Sunday for a midweek game. *ducks* Love it….I also think the fourth Official should be able to come onto the field of play and Tazer any players who are even thinking about moaning. That is a bit extreme for me. I could see the merits of a 'shock collar' mind.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 11:24:59 GMT
Does that mean we were wrong in sacking Garner? What kind of a stupid question is that? Well, you are saying the players weren't good enough. So with better players, Garner would have been successful?
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 9:06:19 GMT
My manifesto for this would be:
1) When a player argues with a ref, move the ball 10 yards. This needs to be done 100% of the time.
The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen.
2) Any player that does the card sign should get a yellow and removed from the pitch for 10 minutes.
The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen.
3) Any player that celebrates in front of the opposition should get a yellow and be removed from the pitch for 10 minutes.
The forth ref to report the ref if this doesn't happen.
Any red card offences to be yellows and be removed from the pitch for 10 minutes and then reviewed by the forth ref to upgrade to a red.
All yellow cards involve a 10 minute removal from the pitch.
I see the issue in football refereeing is this concept of having 'Common sense'. No, we should remove this subjectivity. It needs to be consistent. It will take less than half a season of strong implementation to teach the players that their behaviour have to change.
We also have an issue where people say "We didn't come here to see you ref". If a ref has lots of decisions to be made, it is the players fault, not the refs.
Then finally, this one is just to provoke!
Any fan who who is disagreeing with the referee is made to referee a Sunday league game the next day (for a Saturday match) and the next Sunday for a midweek game.
*ducks*
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 18, 2023 8:51:45 GMT
It's quite interesting as Tommy Widdrington was also run out of town and seems to be doing well elsewhere. Whatever went wrong under Garner (Maybe it was Garner all along) Widdrington has shone at Aldershot. I think I remember people questioning why he would leave Kings Lyn at the top of the table, to manage Aldershot at the bottom of the next league up. Oh and Nans up and down the country thinks his son is lovely. 😍 Perhaps managing in the national league is different to managing in league 1. The clique of players he knows are good for the Nat league but no good in league 1. Tommy came out in that season, after his recruitment got 2 managers fired at great expense to the club and said “the players are good enough” Max Ehmer. Jack Baldwin. Main goal threat Brandon Hanlan. Zain Westbrook as midfield general. Harries. Good enough? Were they fk. Does that mean we were wrong in sacking Garner?
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 17, 2023 14:33:16 GMT
I did wonder if you and Jamie were the same person. I've never see the two of you in the same roomm... He's doing a great job there. Sad that he was ever allowed to leave the football club, especially in that manner. It's quite interesting as Tommy Widdrington was also run out of town and seems to be doing well elsewhere. Whatever went wrong under Garner (Maybe it was Garner all along) Widdrington has shone at Aldershot. I think I remember people questioning why he would leave Kings Lyn at the top of the table, to manage Aldershot at the bottom of the next league up. Oh and Nans up and down the country thinks his son is lovely. 😍
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 17, 2023 13:24:41 GMT
Done a great job at Aldershot. They have a young lad there , Josh Stokes, who will go for a decent fee. One id hope we are looking at ! I recommended Stokes to Jamie. gaschat.co.uk/post/801473I did wonder if you and Jamie were the same person. I've never see the two of you in the same roomm...
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 17, 2023 13:20:22 GMT
Good post Roadman. Know Jamie well, a great lad with incredible football knowledge. Knows more at his age than I have ever done or ever will, at more than twice his age! Unfortunately lost from the Gas due to mistreatment during the Barton era. Would be great to get him back at some stage, but in the meantime, good luck to the Shots. Forced out of the club after Barton tried humiliating him for not being able to do a certain amount of keep ups. Disgusting. Jamie has a superb knowledge of players and football and our loss was Kings Lynn and now Aldershot's gain. Should never have been allowed to leave. Some wonder why every thread ends up with a Barton bash.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 16, 2023 21:50:00 GMT
Isn't that a bit like saying if Garner had taken us down, even the strongest Garner hater can't say for sure that he wouldn't have taken us straight back up. It is a silly thing to say. JB may have produced these results, may have not. JB may have not taken the FA Cup seriously enough and we might have been knocked out by a non league side. Who is to say. What is fact though is JB win percentage, which wasn't good enough this year. I mean sure the wording could have been better as obviously nobody can be 100% sure of anything. ‘Can be very confident’ might have been better. I don’t think you will find a single Gashead confident that Garner would have brought us back up but many could confidently say Barton would have got similar results to Mangan. I’m not sure this needed clarifying but there it is. I disagree. JB had run out of ideas. I think Mangan has put a little more urgency and directness into the team.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 16, 2023 16:56:50 GMT
Here's what I think is confusing about assessing Mangan - and this is not to take any side in the Barton love/hate conflict. Usually when a manager is sacked our form and performances have been abysmal so any unbeaten run regardless of the opposition and performances would be seen as a massive shift and put eyes on the interim manager. The problem here is that there is little to compare before and after in terms of quality because it wasn't bad enough to begin with and even the biggest Barton ball haters can't say for sure this run of results wouldn't have happened anyway. Attempting to upgrade without a major crisis in form/ performances is new territory for us as a club and that could be a positive but it makes gamble feel much bigger. Isn't that a bit like saying if Garner had taken us down, even the strongest Garner hater can't say for sure that he wouldn't have taken us straight back up. It is a silly thing to say. JB may have produced these results, may have not. JB may have not taken the FA Cup seriously enough and we might have been knocked out by a non league side. Who is to say. What is fact though is JB win percentage, which wasn't good enough this year.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 16, 2023 6:36:01 GMT
I guess the question is do you spend £10M and get a bit of a pigs ear of a stadium or do you spend £25M and get Bells and whistles. The cheaper option maybe all we can afford but will the owners be wasting that money if our long term future is at the mem. I've said it before, if the owners don't have what the club need to be brought forward why buy a football club? Has Wael sold the club to someone who also can't take the club forward. The stadium is the elephant in the room, the weak link, it NEEDS serious amount of work, not just patching up. I find it really difficult to understand why there are some on here that think a patch up job will do. I sort of get football is luck, we could have a good season in the Mem as it is and we've made it to the Championship, but it is not sustainable. I guess some people are just happy if we have that odd good season, a few cup matches...no aspirations to much else. Is football outside the Premiership sustainable? Looking at the annual deloitte report for 2022, only 4 teams made a pre tax profit. Only one team (West Brom) made an operating profit. You would hope that the new owners understand this, its the sad state of non Premier league football. Really have to ask the question of any owner in the football league the question of "Why do they do it?"
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 16, 2023 6:14:42 GMT
I’ve not seen us linked with any manager that would require us to pay compensation. Since the new owner was willing to pay 2-3 times our existing transfer record just a few months ago I don’t think a new manager being appointed would make one jot of difference to any transfer kitty. Not on about compensation to get the new Manager in through the door, I'm on about the compensation we'd have to pay him if we sack him. It feels like we have had this same issue with players over the years. Options are: Contract to end of season: If unsuccessful then we are protected. If successful, we are likely to be looking for a new manager again. Contract for two years: If successful, is that long enough to complete a "Project"? If unsuccessful, the compensation is limited. Contract for 5 years: If successful then the expectation would be to earn a fee from compensation when they move higher up the leagues. If unsuccessful, can be *very* expensive. Contract to the end of next season feels right to me, June 25. Also seems the right length to protect the club and the manager (leading to a better quality applicant). We should never give or extend to have a manager on a 5 year contract again.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 15, 2023 22:46:37 GMT
From a role model perspective, whilst he was manager, there would have been some looking at him as a Role Model. Whether that is why kruger brought his son into the conversation or not, I'm not sure. However, kruger did bring his son into the conversation due to the names that Roadman had called JB. Sounded like a bit of faux offence to me. So, if the son is offended by some names that were used towards JB then that son needs to be reminded of the things that JB has done. Which was the intention of my post. Problem is, the haters are attacking JB and his bullshit the lovers are attacking the haters in JB defence. Somethings just cannot be defended. The cigar incident for me is one of those things. How anyone can defend stubbing a cigar out in someone's eyelid is just unreal. There is a theme with JB and it seems that his reactions to situations are disproportionate. Mainly due to his temper. As for the how the thread turned into Barton bashing, I think we are all to blame. The lovers, the haters. Attacking and defending. Please all move on!! Nicely said without having to be personal.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 15, 2023 22:36:42 GMT
"During a Christmas party back in December 2004, Barton lost his anger in horrifying circumstances. Barton, who was dressed as Jimmy Saville, lost his rag when he caught youth player Jamie Tandy attempting to set his shirt on fire." *Lost his rag* "Barton was aggrieved by comments made by a 15-year-old Everton fan at a Bangkok hotel, resulting in a fracas. Reports claiming Richard Dunne was forced to step in as peacemaker, but Barton then turned on his own captain and the pair had to be pulled apart." Beat up a 15yr old Thai Everton fan. *Lost his rag* "Barton had a violent training ground fight with former teammate Ousmane Dabo in May 2007. Dabo suffered head injuries, including a detached retina, after the bust-up and was left needing hospital treatment" *Lost his rag* "CCTV footage captured the footballer punching a man 20 times, causing him to lose consciousness. He was also seen attacking a teenager and breaking some of his teeth during the Boxing Day night altercation." "Barton pleaded guilty to common assault and affray and was sentenced to six months behind bars, with Judge Henry Globe QC saying it was a "violent and cowardly act"" *Lost his rag* Joey Barton was a violent man. Joey Barton may well still be a violent man. This has to be the lesson for the young uns. Do not hold this man as a role model, its not big, its not clever and it certainly isn't funny. Who said he was a role model? Just pointing out you can't miss out half the story to suit your narrative because the truth doesn't sound half as bad as you make the incident sound. How the hell have the anti barton brigade managed to turn the efl trophy match day thread into more anti Barton posts again 🤣. From a role model perspective, whilst he was manager, there would have been some looking at him as a Role Model. Whether that is why kruger brought his son into the conversation or not, I'm not sure. However, kruger did bring his son into the conversation due to the names that Roadman had called JB. Sounded like a bit of faux offence to me. So, if the son is offended by some names that were used towards JB then that son needs to be reminded of the things that JB has done. Which was the intention of my post. Problem is, the haters are attacking JB and his bullshit the lovers are attacking the haters in JB defence. Somethings just cannot be defended. The cigar incident for me is one of those things. How anyone can defend stubbing a cigar out in someone's eyelid is just unreal. There is a theme with JB and it seems that his reactions to situations are disproportionate. Mainly due to his temper. As for the how the thread turned into Barton bashing, I think we are all to blame. The lovers, the haters. Attacking and defending.
|
|
|
Post by gasify on Nov 15, 2023 21:29:10 GMT
Actually, there is a serious question in there. Have you mentioned to your son that JB stubbed a cigar out in a players eye? It would be a proper teachable moment about the difference between right and wrong. Much like the difference between attacking the post vs attacking the poster. When he does mention it to his son he might want to include that the perceived victim set fire to the shirt Barton was wearing at the time prior to having said cigar stubbed into his eye. Therefore was an utter pr*CK himself and deserved to have more than a cigar stubbed out in his eye for setting fire to clothing whilst being worn by a person. But don't let that small fact ruin your story gasify. Barton has gone guys. Stop letting him get in your heads like he did whilst he was here. "During a Christmas party back in December 2004, Barton lost his anger in horrifying circumstances. Barton, who was dressed as Jimmy Saville, lost his rag when he caught youth player Jamie Tandy attempting to set his shirt on fire." *Lost his rag* "Barton was aggrieved by comments made by a 15-year-old Everton fan at a Bangkok hotel, resulting in a fracas. Reports claiming Richard Dunne was forced to step in as peacemaker, but Barton then turned on his own captain and the pair had to be pulled apart." Beat up a 15yr old Thai Everton fan. *Lost his rag* "Barton had a violent training ground fight with former teammate Ousmane Dabo in May 2007. Dabo suffered head injuries, including a detached retina, after the bust-up and was left needing hospital treatment" *Lost his rag* "CCTV footage captured the footballer punching a man 20 times, causing him to lose consciousness. He was also seen attacking a teenager and breaking some of his teeth during the Boxing Day night altercation." "Barton pleaded guilty to common assault and affray and was sentenced to six months behind bars, with Judge Henry Globe QC saying it was a "violent and cowardly act"" *Lost his rag* Joey Barton was a violent man. Joey Barton may well still be a violent man. This has to be the lesson for the young uns. Do not hold this man as a role model, its not big, its not clever and it certainly isn't funny.
|
|