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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 17, 2020 18:52:31 GMT
Not at all, I tend to agree. I dont think there's anything particularly new or exciting there though. We know this varies on age, always did. Not really a revelation. We also fairly early on revised mortality expectation accordingly didnt we. From 5% originally. Same with the testing, some are inaccurate, why is that a surprise? We know this to be the case with a lot of tests. Even pregnancy tests. I was more interested in how you can accept that (as I do) and by using the excess mortality to extrapolate, come to the conclusion that there must be a high false positive result. The two aren't really synchronous. Unless of course the wrong people are being tested. All the while, hospitals are filling up. The former chief scientific advisor to Pfizer, Dr Mike Yeadon, says: "Prof. Carl Heneghan did a calculation and he showed that if the false positive rate is as little as .1% then more than half of the positive tests are in fact false or fake and I think the false positive rate is probably much higher, possibly 1%." Firstly I note you've avoided answering the question again. Secondly, this chaps opening statement is "I definitely dont want to dismiss the possibility that these numbers are real" And perhaps moving on from that you'd like to talk about the whole interview rather that the cut off section you provided? If you don't want to watch it all I can summarise here for you. 1. It was conducted 2 months ago. 2. He says "currently the death rate is low and staying low". Well, we know that is no longer true dont we. 3. He says he has "no knowledge of hospital admission numbers and ICU admission numbers". At the time these were back on the rise but small. We are 2 months on. 4.He says for the virus to now spread (from where it was 2 months ago) we would need "some big change in transmission". We opened up everything including work, schools and universities. Tick. 5. He uses an anecdote of one of his kids telling him that "young people havent been social diatancing" as an argument to suggest that they all already have had it and recovered. Not sure I'll bother with this one. 6. He suggests Sweden are not doing mass testing and "so far their hospitals are not ridden with ill and dying people". Interesting but you'll remember that in the first wave we did start only with tier 1 testing (hospital only) and ended up with 40k deaths. So hey, I'm not buying it. I dont doubt there may well be false positives. I dont doubt that some may even be the same people. I have no trust in the government data whatsoever but I'm struggling to understand how this convinced you. This is about maths and scale. If the results are fake then the mortality is higher. If the mortality is low then the prevalence must be high. And even if a fraction of the positives are true, it has still been enough to see tens of thousands of deaths. Arguing for both is nonsense because we are literally seeing the outcomes. I guess what I'm suggesting is that this video interview you posted doesn't even give me enough information to develop an informed opinion of the video interview itself, let alone anything else.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 17, 2020 17:32:21 GMT
So, pirate, you have now presented some tweets suggesting mortality rate is far lower than is reported. You have also provided some tweets suggesting that all the positive tests are false. So, given that we have had 50k excess deaths, which is it? Because either mortality is tiny in which case prevalence is much higher or prevalence is much lower and mortality must therefore be higher. You've provided contrasting tweets as far as I can tell. You do know we have a vaccination for flu don't you? Some positive tests are false, not all of them. I'm just pointing out the tweet that links to the World Health Organisation where they published the peer reviewed study by professor Dr. John Ioannidis. As Professor Dr. Sucharit Bakhdi says in the clip above, the World Health Organisation has published the data and accepts its correct. Unless you know better? Not at all, I tend to agree. I dont think there's anything particularly new or exciting there though. We know this varies on age, always did. Not really a revelation. We also fairly early on revised mortality expectation accordingly didnt we. From 5% originally. Same with the testing, some are inaccurate, why is that a surprise? We know this to be the case with a lot of tests. Even pregnancy tests. I was more interested in how you can accept that (as I do) and by using the excess mortality to extrapolate, come to the conclusion that there must be a high false positive result. The two aren't really synchronous. Unless of course the wrong people are being tested. All the while, hospitals are filling up.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 17, 2020 16:17:18 GMT
So, pirate, you have now presented some tweets suggesting mortality rate is far lower than is reported. You have also provided some tweets suggesting that all the positive tests are false.
So, given that we have had 50k excess deaths, which is it? Because either mortality is tiny in which case prevalence is much higher or prevalence is much lower and mortality must therefore be higher.
You've provided contrasting tweets as far as I can tell.
You do know we have a vaccination for flu don't you?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2020 14:45:35 GMT
No one is saying you can't. Just that it would be nice to hear your opinion on the matter, rather than a load of twitter posts. Certainly no need to snap at OB in such a fashion. Interesting that whilst he works on the front line of the NHS, you'd recommend he educates himself on Covid? In fairness, vaccination not my area of expertise. I'm happy to discuss and challenge and be challenged, that's what this is all about. But yeah, nice to discuss with a user. If I wanted to use twitter, I'd use twitter.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2020 14:02:15 GMT
Could you perhaps please stop spamming this thread and post links/opinions rather than the barrage of twitter and news posts. We all do it now and again but it's making this difficult to read and talk to other users. Heaven forbid you might actually like to inform yourself. Heaven forbid you might articulate your opinion rather than regurgitating twitter posts?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2020 13:47:08 GMT
Could you perhaps please stop spamming this thread and post links/opinions rather than the barrage of twitter and news posts. We all do it now and again but it's making this difficult to read and talk to other users.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2020 13:05:05 GMT
Teaching assistant in my daughter's class is self isolating, getting too close for comfort now. We had the call today from my sons nursery.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 16, 2020 12:34:57 GMT
Regarding a vaccine, I believe there are 3 front runners right now: 1. Pfizer 2. Moderna 3. Oxford/Astrazeneca - Apparently Pfizer are confident of perhaps even end of November approval, although not sure whether it'd pass in Europe - I have no idea about their vaccine. Moderna is a cool new way using RNA in training the immune system - they're hoping for December/January I believe. Oxford I can't remember how it's done, but they're looking at January? Leaving this here www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-54902908Been waiting for the good news on this for a while. Looks like you were on the money with this one. Interesting concept
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 15, 2020 17:44:54 GMT
William Window?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 14, 2020 21:49:44 GMT
We appear to think it's a 1515 kick off. Bit political? I got it
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 13, 2020 19:59:41 GMT
Alright I watched it all. I'm convinced. Ive been wrong all along. COVID19 really isn't that bad at all, lockdowns are completely pointless. How could I not see it before? What a fool I have been, this is all clearly an attempt to take away our freedoms.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 13, 2020 19:29:28 GMT
Respectfully, this is not some QAnon global elite conspiracy. A lot of people are dying, a lot of people are sick. As far as I can tell nobody has been prosecuted for breaking lockdown, correct me if I'm wrong. Frankly if staying at home where you can and wearing a facemask when you can't whilst still being able to go out, shop, help the vulnerable is too much to ask to help save a few more people in you community then thats your choice isn't it. I'm glad most dont share your sentiment. Respectfully, I've not said this is some QAnon global elite conspiracy. Prof. Dr. Sucharit Bakhdi is not a 'conspiracy theorist' either, he was a professor at the Johannes Gutenberg University in Mainz and head of the Institute for Medical Microbiology and Hygiene and one of the most cited research scientists in German history. Fair point. I'm 30 minutes in and will watch the rest later. However I can tell you I've so far learned nothing new that we didn't already know and can also pretty much guarentee that this chap has never worked in the UK or had anything to do with the NHS and is not currently practicing. He is selling a book mind. His comments on how it was initially diagnosed is also not correct, at least in England. I'm not sure if he's about to say its all blown over the top and that lockdowns are ridiculous but if he is, I'd love to see the evidence for that compared to the rise and fall of 50,000 EXCESS deaths over the last year. Our scientific panel and those in almost every other cou try seem to disagree. Germany of course had a rather different performance as well didnt they. Correct me if I'm wrong on the UK bit.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 13, 2020 17:09:40 GMT
Respectfully, this is not some QAnon global elite conspiracy. A lot of people are dying, a lot of people are sick. As far as I can tell nobody has been prosecuted for breaking lockdown, correct me if I'm wrong. Frankly if staying at home where you can and wearing a facemask when you can't whilst still being able to go out, shop, help the vulnerable is too much to ask to help save a few more people in you community then thats your choice isn't it. I'm glad most dont share your sentiment.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 12, 2020 22:18:36 GMT
First country in Europe to have over 50,000 deaths from Covid. Should we give Boris a medal? Trying to make a sicko political statement out of a very sad statistic - you are one sad f**king selfish weirdo. If the death rate from a pandemic is not a political problem, politics really has lost touch dont you think? The BMA published an article this week with similar sentiment.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 12, 2020 0:24:16 GMT
Ive got nothing to say to a traitorous C*** Like you so I suggest you go and * yourself. Is there really any need for that? Especially after your comments about bullying.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 10, 2020 12:38:41 GMT
Been a bit quiet in here recently. Did you guys forget to invite me to the revolution? There was a typographical cock up with the pamphlet printing. This sadly resulted in a lawsuit from the people of Tenby when we accidentally canvassed people to 'Take The Gower Back'
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2020 17:24:21 GMT
Not wishing to throw cold water over what could prove incredibly good news,but this 90% effective malarkey is only from a preliminary analysis and only 94 infected cases were looked at.Just putting it out there guys. Yes quite I've not seen the study myself so I dont even know what the 90% means. 90% didn't get it? How many were exposed? So yes we shall wait and see. Progress is progress though.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2020 14:00:29 GMT
Sky news reporting a 90% effective vaccination. I'm trying to get hold of the details but on the face of it - get in! Off the top of my head this was also to do with the spike protein I think? Encouraging the body to fight an infection when the spike protein enters the body? That would make sense with the TCell theory too wouldnt it. Its about memory. Practices were contacted last week to sign up to an enhanced service for delivery possibly pre Xmas I'm hearing. Speculative but interesting
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 9, 2020 12:37:27 GMT
Sky news reporting a 90% effective vaccination. I'm trying to get hold of the details but on the face of it - get in!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 8, 2020 23:48:42 GMT
Easy. Concede on freedom of movement and job done. Decent deal, make our own laws, everyone is happy. Yer but then all them immigrants will come here stealing our jobs! It was nothing to do with immigrants they said. Just about making our own laws. I dont see the problem here.
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