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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 24, 2020 8:42:19 GMT
Shielding without support of a lockdown is a myth, it will get to them eventually. Also by allowing the virus to spread it increases the opportunity to mutate, illness will cause longer term complications even in the healthy and business affected by sick days, health service inundated regardless. There are no easy or cheap options, but I would say that if your suggestion was possible then governments would do it. Seems one of your sources has previous on underestimating the virus (only 10,000 deaths in the US) if this article is true:
"Maybe the strongest criticism against Ioannidis is that, in his way, he contributed to underestimating a disease whose effects on the body, even on asymptomatic carriers of the virus, are still not fully understood, while those who have been sick describe going through a very difficult time."
www.ekathimerini.com/255374/article/ekathimerini/news/the-greek-american-epidemiologist-who-misled-donald-trump"Only 6% of these died solely of the coronavirus, according to a recent Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) report; the rest had, on average, 2.6 underlying conditions" 6% of 150,000 = 9,000 Back around the time of the start of the second lockdown 32 scientists, economists and other academics wrote to the Prime Minister demanding a change in policy on Covid-19, saying that attempting to suppress the virus is ‘increasingly infeasible’. They have instead demanded that vulnerable groups should be protected from the disease while younger people should be allowed to get on with their lives. 12,115 medical & public health scientists and 35,238 medical practitioners have now signed the Great Barrington Declaration. gbdeclaration.orgThis is getting laughable now. So because somebody has asthma or diabetes we can dismiss their covid death can we? 50,000k dead but half had high blood pressure? What do you know about underlying conditions?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 23:52:09 GMT
So the numbers about average for this time of year then. Did you read it?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 23:08:09 GMT
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 23:06:17 GMT
Neil O’Brien MP: JUST ONE GRAPH IN THE DAILY MAIL - a thread. The Daily Mail published this chart. 2 things about it struck me. First, I’d seen the same data from the ONS, which sadly showed excess deaths in recent weeks – in fact higher than any time in the last 5 years. But this chart purported to show just the opposite. First, the Mail: And now the ONS data. It is back above the highest levels we have seen in recent years. Given it is a lagging indicator, it may keep rising for a bit yet. Second, the source looked very strange. Instead of just “Office for National Statistics", the source says “Statistics Guy”. Strange… The first clue as to what is going on is that “The Statistics Guy” turns out to be a cranky Covid-denial twitter feed, run by a guy with a cartoon avatar. He advertises things like mass demonstrations against “The Great Reset” (a weird conspiracy theory, don’t ask). The second clue is in the small print. “Adjusted for population growth”, says the Mail. Hmmm. Given that the last ONS data for UK population is for 2019, and the 2020 number isn’t out till June 2021, clearly these aren’t official stats. What are they assuming? Cartoon avatar Statistics Guy pops up elsewhere challenging the official statistics and saying the statistics should be “Adjusted for 3.3% population growth? ” (his question marks). We can also see the original chart from Statistics Guy on his twitter (posted 13th November), which is what the Daily Mail have copied exactly. He says he has used “population growth over the past 5 years to amend the upper and lower record for each week” If we look at week 44, which he & the Mail highlight, he shows 10,887 deaths in week 44, which is what ONS have. But the highest it's been anytime in the last 5 years was 10164 in 2019. Statistics guy shows a maximum of 10,861, which appears in the Mail. That's a 6.86% increase. But of course, there is no way the population has increased by 6.8% in a year. Between 2018 and 2018 it increased 0.54%. If anything we’d expect growth over the last year to be slower because of a near halt to international migration, excess deaths and so on. It is quite strange that the graph cuts off there. The next week of data had come out on the 17th, and the Mail published on the 20th. But oddly, they chose not to publish the next week of data, which showed excess deaths rising to over 200 a day above the 5 year average. Odd. Why am I going on about one wrong graph? Because actually it's not just one graph: in fact the papers are filled with a torrent of this kind of thing: “Hey, there’s no real coronavirus problem, we can call just get back to normal”. Sadly, it's just not true. Why am I going on about one wrong graph? Because actually it's not just one graph: in fact the papers are filled with a torrent of this kind of thing: “Hey, there’s no real coronavirus problem, we can call just get back to normal”. Sadly, it's just not true. The vaccine is coming soon, life will get back to normal. But in the meantime, we need to protect people's lives and health through a difficult winter. END This was the graph I saw: Well as you are quoting what you say is from ONS, here is the copy paste from the ACTUAL ONS. Note the final point - what do you think happens next? 1.Main points The number of deaths registered in England and Wales in the week ending 6 November 2020 (Week 45) was 11,812; this was 925 more deaths than in Week 44. In Week 45, the number of deaths registered was 14.3% above the five-year average (1,481 deaths higher). Of the deaths registered in Week 45, 1,937 mentioned "novel coronavirus (COVID-19)", accounting for 16.4% of all deaths in England and Wales; this is an increase of 558 deaths compared with Week 44 (when there were 1,379 deaths involving COVID-19, accounting for 12.7% of all deaths). Of the 1,937 deaths that involved COVID-19, 1,743 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (90.0%); of the 2,267 deaths that involved Influenza and Pneumonia, 307 had this recorded as the underlying cause of death (13.5%). The number of deaths in hospitals was above the five-year average in Week 45 for the third consecutive week (520 more deaths); the number of deaths in private homes and care homes was also above the five-year average (997 and 38 more deaths respectively), but deaths in other locations were below the five-year average (76 fewer deaths). In England, the total number of deaths increased from 10,166 (Week 44) to 10,962 (Week 45); all English regions had higher or the same overall deaths as the five-year average. Overall, there were 1,771 deaths involving COVID-19 in England in Week 45; the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased in all of the English regions, with the North West having the largest number (568 deaths). In Wales, the number of deaths involving COVID-19 increased from 121 deaths (Week 44) to 166 deaths (Week 45), while the total number of deaths in Week 45 was 207 deaths higher than the five-year average. Based on a statistical model that allows for the time taken for deaths to be registered, we estimate that the number of deaths actually occurring (rather than registered) in Week 45 in England and Wales was between 10,912 and 13,671.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:50:15 GMT
There you go. Same story as the JHB interview. Posted recently as justifying why case aren't rising (which immediately gets my back up because trust me, they really are). Turns out the interview was done right before the second peak. Was he wrong at the time? No. Is it still relevant? f**k no! Precisely why I didn’t waste half hour of my life watching a crackpot video. Instead I’ve probably wasted more time dispelling it ! 😁 People do seem to go down these bloody wormholes and start believing all sorts of nonsense. It’ll be the qanon conspiracy next.... god help us ( them!) sorry. I missed this whilst making a significant edit to my original post. It will be the vaccines next just wait and see.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:39:44 GMT
Neil O’Brien MP: JUST ONE GRAPH IN THE DAILY MAIL - a thread. The Daily Mail published this chart. 2 things about it struck me. First, I’d seen the same data from the ONS, which sadly showed excess deaths in recent weeks – in fact higher than any time in the last 5 years. But this chart purported to show just the opposite. First, the Mail: And now the ONS data. It is back above the highest levels we have seen in recent years. Given it is a lagging indicator, it may keep rising for a bit yet. Second, the source looked very strange. Instead of just “Office for National Statistics", the source says “Statistics Guy”. Strange… The first clue as to what is going on is that “The Statistics Guy” turns out to be a cranky Covid-denial twitter feed, run by a guy with a cartoon avatar. He advertises things like mass demonstrations against “The Great Reset” (a weird conspiracy theory, don’t ask). The second clue is in the small print. “Adjusted for population growth”, says the Mail. Hmmm. Given that the last ONS data for UK population is for 2019, and the 2020 number isn’t out till June 2021, clearly these aren’t official stats. What are they assuming? Cartoon avatar Statistics Guy pops up elsewhere challenging the official statistics and saying the statistics should be “Adjusted for 3.3% population growth? ” (his question marks). We can also see the original chart from Statistics Guy on his twitter (posted 13th November), which is what the Daily Mail have copied exactly. He says he has used “population growth over the past 5 years to amend the upper and lower record for each week” If we look at week 44, which he & the Mail highlight, he shows 10,887 deaths in week 44, which is what ONS have. But the highest it's been anytime in the last 5 years was 10164 in 2019. Statistics guy shows a maximum of 10,861, which appears in the Mail. That's a 6.86% increase. But of course, there is no way the population has increased by 6.8% in a year. Between 2018 and 2018 it increased 0.54%. If anything we’d expect growth over the last year to be slower because of a near halt to international migration, excess deaths and so on. It is quite strange that the graph cuts off there. The next week of data had come out on the 17th, and the Mail published on the 20th. But oddly, they chose not to publish the next week of data, which showed excess deaths rising to over 200 a day above the 5 year average. Odd. Why am I going on about one wrong graph? Because actually it's not just one graph: in fact the papers are filled with a torrent of this kind of thing: “Hey, there’s no real coronavirus problem, we can call just get back to normal”. Sadly, it's just not true. Why am I going on about one wrong graph? Because actually it's not just one graph: in fact the papers are filled with a torrent of this kind of thing: “Hey, there’s no real coronavirus problem, we can call just get back to normal”. Sadly, it's just not true. The vaccine is coming soon, life will get back to normal. But in the meantime, we need to protect people's lives and health through a difficult winter. END There you go. Same story as the JHB interview. Posted recently as justifying why case aren't rising (which immediately gets my back up because trust me, they really are). Turns out the interview was done right before the second peak. Was he wrong at the time? No. Is it still relevant? f**k no! Trust me I hate this government. Shambolic response. Anyone with a vague interest in general chat knows how critical I've been of them all. Are they lying to you? Are their lips moving? Are sage trying to scare you? Probably yes because you keep going to the f**king pub, spreading misinformation, not wearing your damn mask and going on bollocks anti lockdown demonstrations! Are the death rates exaggerated? No. Are they lower now? Yes (treatment improved). Are there dodgy test results? Almost certainly. But is coronavirus real? Yes. Is it bad? Yes. Is it like flu? No. Are the hospitals filling up with people suffocating to death? Yes. Will most people be ok? Yes. There's no global conspiracy here I'm afraid. Just a sh**ty situation being butchered by an incompetent government and public health body that couldn't organise a w**k on a lunchbreak. And thats it. No wonder half of these scientists can't get their heads round it. It shouldn't happen. It shouldn't NEED to happen. Where other countries have strategised and executed better responses they haven't had to do half the crap we have. And I'll bet the same people who criticise the response will hear nothing negative of the government that orchestrated such a dire state of affairs. I feel a bit better now.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:30:15 GMT
Not looking good for Brexit voting Sunderland Nissan plant . All very sad 😞 'I didnt think Leopards would eat MY face'
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:27:33 GMT
Yeah I pulled Yeadons last load of bollocks apart on here the other day which was roundly ignored. He is regularly on twitter spouting sh**e and never responds to fair critique. He was the one in that JHB interview. Turned out to be utterly wrong in time. I don't leave the gas-works much, but I'd be interested to see your pulling apart of his stuff (genuinely!) A good scientist will never say anything is a "fact". So in that respect, I'm always trying to disprove the things I believe as I go along. Point. Counter. Point. In the words of another man better than I! I'm reading stuff both sides of the fence as I go along. Only way to do it really 🙏 Fair play all I would say is make sure you dig down to source. The one put on here by Yardley for example was cut for sensationalism but actully the interview was much longer, more caveats and 2 months old so all of what was said had been proven wrong by that point. The latest one about death rate not going up is another great example. Amazing clickbait for the skeptical but actually far too early to draw conclusions on that data set. So of course it looks low. Scratch under the surface and go to the actual source is my advice. If you are doing that on both sides you are doing it right.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 22:03:27 GMT
Grab a cuppa, make time for half hour, and listen to watch the former VP and Chief Scientific Officer of Pfizer for over 30 years has to say on testing, lockdown, vaccination, immunity and government response. I'm going to let him do the talking. Please watch this whatever side of the fence you are on, this man is literally "The Experts" people say they are listening to... www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/www.bitchute.com/video/LBeo24BvA5PU/I listened to the first ten minutes or so. It was like a "Listen with Mother" programme for 5 year olds. In that short period his whole basis for arguing against social restrictions is that a substantial number of people are immune due to exposure to other Corona viruses and or Sars. In other words it's the old herd immunity argument. That's what Trump has let rip in the States, that's a health disaster over there. So basically this is a load of bollox. But each to their own, if you don't believe in any action to suppress infection, fine go ahead and catch it. Just don't give it to anyone else. If you find yourself becoming seriously ill then tough sh**, the NHS have no moral obligation to look after you and risk their own lives. The Jackanory style of story telling on Edward Jenner was hilarious. Yeah I pulled Yeadons last load of bollocks apart on here the other day which was roundly ignored. He is regularly on twitter spouting sh**e and never responds to fair critique. He was the one in that JHB interview. Turned out to be utterly wrong in time.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 23, 2020 13:44:53 GMT
www.ox.ac.uk/news/2020-11-23-oxford-university-breakthrough-global-covid-19-vaccine?hp#Stock Market not reacting well to these Oxford University/Astra Zeneca interim results.Is this down to the lower effectiveness rates when compared to the Pfizer and Moderna results,or the fact Astra Zeneca are still saying they will knock these out at cost? Um... 2 things that stand out for me in this report,”Early indication that vaccine could reduce virus transmission from an observed reduction in asymptomatic infections” and “There were no hospitalised or severe cases in anyone who received the vaccine” Sounds very promising. Interesting isn't it. Some vaccines aim to stop you being able to get it completely and are slightly more effective but if you do get it, you have a normal risk. The other aims to get your body to develop T Cell antibody memory meaning that its slightly less effective in stopping you getting it but if you do, it will be less severe. An excellent chance of nothing and small chance of harm or a good chance of nothing and a no chance of harm. I was surprised to see stocks fall because the metric most useful is chance of harm surely? It is, quite simply, an incredible feat of science in the time we have had though.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 22, 2020 21:52:29 GMT
Will never happen, I shouldn't worry about it.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 21, 2020 18:31:17 GMT
Oh, just f**k off you twat. Haha. Hugo's gone full cu nt Hugos gone full gaschat. Never go full gaschat.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 21:17:38 GMT
I see Trump has gone full Alex Jones now claiming bug pharma lost him votes
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 20:32:00 GMT
What has made me laugh out loud is the swathe of Tory MPs coming out on the media tonight, allegedly under instruction, like a bunch of Meerkats singing the praise of the infamous Ms Patel. Apparently she is direct, forceful, driven. She was so lacking in self awareness she claimed she had to be told her behaviour was unacceptable, nobody did she claims so it's not her fault she says. Another MP said she was very empathetic....really? So empathetic she couldn't spot the upset she was causing. Give me a break. Thing is, I cannot get excited by all this. I am more interested in her competence as a Home Secretary. Is there any evidence evidence that she is, competent? How about Johnson? Competent? Gove (who?) Competent? Hancock? Sharma, Williamson, Competent? Ffs. Post-modern conservatism I guess if you are that full of sh**, eventually some of it is going to seep out?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 16:27:18 GMT
Not sure I would equate a bit of bullying some of it unintentional with endemic anti semitism which they took 5 years to address. But what even is unintentional bullying? Where you didn't plan for it to come back and bite you
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 15:37:19 GMT
Oh no, yo said the anti-semitism word... That's a get out of jail free card for racist Tory's. Basically Tory logic is that they can do anything they want now because half the UK is anti-Semitic apparently. No racist in the Labour Party then? Racists all over the place
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 20, 2020 12:04:04 GMT
Boris Johnson has ruled that Priti Patel did not breach the ministerial code following an inquiry into bullying accusations against her. However, the prime minister's ruling was immediately followed by the resignation of Sir Alex Allan, the government's independent adviser on standards, who authored the report. He said: "I recognise that it is for the prime minister to make a judgement on whether actions by a minister amount to a breach of the ministerial code. "But I feel that it is right that I should now resign from my position as the prime minister's independent adviser on the code." In his report, Sir Alex found that Ms Patel had "not consistently met the high standards required by the ministerial code of treating her civil servants with consideration and respect". Advertisement "Her approach on occasions has amounted to behaviour that can be described as bullying in terms of the impact felt by individuals," he added. Is anyone surprised? You get what you vote for.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 19, 2020 18:58:58 GMT
Not enough to resign. "A draft report concluded in the summer that Home Secretary Priti Patel had broken rules on ministers' behaviour, sources familiar with the contents say." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55007122No politician resigns these days
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 19, 2020 16:38:24 GMT
So Mr Johnson can commit to spending £16 Billion on defence, but he had to be persuaded to spend on school meals for kids. Tells you all you need to know. No one gives a sh** oldie. The usual crew will be on in a minute to ignore what you have posted to give us “b-b-b-b-benefits scroungers” all over again. Interestingly I was reading that the cost of benefit fraud is actually far outweighed by unclaimed benefits! I wonder if that would change people’s opinions if it was more common knowledge. Again, probably not. People don’t give a sh** and believe what the Tories want them to believe: that the country is sinking under the weight of benefits and it’s the greatest evil this country faces, other issues that cost the country far more don’t even come close. I think what has become clear to me is that people would much rather others had no support even if that means that one day they could be in that boat, than others having reasonable standards of living security whilst they don't need to benefit themselves at that time. Its like insurance really isn't it but with the added benefit of actually doing something to help your fellow man whilst you yourself don't have to claim. But we hear the scroungers argument all the time. They don't deserve it, they get too much, etc. They should suffer because I'm working hard. That's what it boils down to for me. Its not enough for you to be doing alright. People want to be doing better than someone else, even if that means the someone else doing worse still. Otherwise why would it ever matter?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Nov 18, 2020 15:14:48 GMT
Toby young , in the Telegraph 25th June : “ I’m going to go out on a limb and predict there will be no ‘second spike’ - not now and not in the autumn either. The virus has melted into thin air . It’s time to get back to normal. I provided a critique of that JHB interview a few pages back but no reply yet
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