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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 21:47:06 GMT
I reckon there's thousands.
Just have a look at the vast increase of tourism there is from American visitors and other tourists to Wrexham every other Saturday.
They have loads and loads of season ticket holders, in fact they sold out after a renewal rate of 99.25%. Does that mean that tourists are buying them? www.wrexhamafc.co.uk/news/2023/june/ticket-news--match-day-pricing-for-202324-season-confirmed/I think you’ve misjudged the situation. They do have some tourist fans because of the Reynolds stuff but nowhere near the number you’re talking. Their historical average attendances show the appetite has been there previously and now they’ve got some success it’s not a surprise it’s back. Call them tourists, day trippers, johnny come lately's, call them what you will are buying them yes, so 7k fans just miraculously come out the woodwork? They also have an International Fans ticket scheme, which stops UK members from buying tickets, they have countless supporters clubs now too in the US where American Citizens are Season Ticket holders.
Add to that the massive increase in visitors to Wrexham on weekends? Hotels, restaurants and all sorts of hospitality are selling out just by coincidence are they?
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 19:51:12 GMT
I didn't say there was an issue with it, they can do what they want.
I do however find the love in with them tedious, and the exposure and coverage they receive is way over the top.
They're a 4th Division Football Club not Real Madrid!
Im not a liar at all, I personally would hate a sudden influx of 7k Americans and other tourists who don't know anything about Football rocking up at Rovers matches, just to see if they can spot a famous person in the directors box!
Each to their own!
Sorry can I just ask something…do you think there are 7,000 americans/tourists at EVERY game? Have you ever considered that the rest of the town may be a bit more interested now and that some of them have turned into regular fans? I don’t doubt that there are some tourists but come on now? I reckon there's thousands.
Just have a look at the vast increase of tourism there is from American visitors and other tourists to Wrexham every other Saturday.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 19:23:42 GMT
Completely different, one off game. Wrexham have never had an average as big as this in their entire history. Ryan Reynolds has made it all about him, his face is always in front of a camera, talking about little old Wrexham all over American TV, the Disney TV Show, bringing other A list Celebrities along and he's getting Wrexham plenty of exposure. The extra 7k has come from American Tourists etc intrigued to see the little Welsh town they'd never heard of that Ryan Reynolds is trying to flog to the Americans. So you are accusing Reynolds of doing everything in his power to make his investment in the football club he owns as profitable as possible? I struggle to see the issue. There is not a single fan of our club that would not want the same thing. Anyone who says otherwise is a liar. I didn't say there was an issue with it, they can do what they want.
I do however find the love in with them tedious, and the exposure and coverage they receive is way over the top.
They're a 4th Division Football Club not Real Madrid!
Im not a liar at all, I personally would hate a sudden influx of 7k Americans and other tourists who don't know anything about Football rocking up at Rovers matches, just to see if they can spot a famous person in the directors box!
Each to their own!
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 18:27:45 GMT
Completely different, one off game. Wrexham have never had an average as big as this in their entire history. Ryan Reynolds has made it all about him, his face is always in front of a camera, talking about little old Wrexham all over American TV, the Disney TV Show, bringing other A list Celebrities along and he's getting Wrexham plenty of exposure. The extra 7k has come from American Tourists etc intrigued to see the little Welsh town they'd never heard of that Ryan Reynolds is trying to flog to the Americans. Season League Avg Att 1. 1977-78 Division Three 12,272 2. 1947-48 Division Three (North) 11,168 3. 1961-62 Division Four 10,861 4. 1956-57 Division Three (North) 10,731 5. 1978-79 Division Two 10,711 6. 1962-63 Division Three 10,696 7. 1952-53 Division Three (North) 10,009 8. 2023-24 League Two 9,907 9. 1948-49 Division Three (North) 9,751 10. 2022-23 National League 9,625 11. 1958-59 Division Three 9,524 12. 1953-54 Division Three (North) 9,514 13. 1979-80 Division Two 9,455 14. 1969-70 Division Four 9,245 15. 1959-60 Division Three 9,143 16. 1950-51 Division Three (North) 8,808 17. 1946-47 Division Three (North) 8,732 18. 1976-77 Division Three 8,731 19. 1957-58 Division Three (North) 8,463 20. 1966-67 Division Four 8,414 21. 1951-52 Division Three (North) 8,370 22. 1970-71 Division Three 8,289 23. 1949-50 Division Three (North) 8,256 24. 2021-22 National League 7,962 25. 1955-56 Division Three (North) 7,588 26. 1954-55 Division Three (North) 7,369 27. 1932-33 Division Three (North) 7,081 28. 1963-64 Division Three 7,064 29. 1944-45 Football Regional League (North Division) 7,003 I stand corrected, they've averaged over 10,575 their current average 3 other times in 115 years. european-football-statistics.co.uk/attnclub/nonleague/wrex.htmThe point still stands, no other club gains an extra 7k fans just because a new owner takes over. That's because most other Football Club owners aren't self obsessed, attention seeking A list Celebrities, who make it all about them. Most go about their business in the background and are pretty inconspicuous.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 17:22:43 GMT
Where does the 7k come from. Where do our 30k come from when we get to Wembley? Completely different, one off game. Wrexham have never had an average as big as this in their entire history. Ryan Reynolds has made it all about him, his face is always in front of a camera, talking about little old Wrexham all over American TV, the Disney TV Show, bringing other A list Celebrities along and he's getting Wrexham plenty of exposure. The extra 7k has come from American Tourists etc intrigued to see the little Welsh town they'd never heard of that Ryan Reynolds is trying to flog to the Americans.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 17:01:58 GMT
Even their average attendance sums it up. 10 years ago they weren't even averaging 3k. Just 2 years ago their average attendance was just over 4k. Where have those 7k come from? They're not Wrexham fans. This whole love in with Wrexham is pretty tedious and I just don't get it, it's just a vanity project for a couple of self obsessed Hollywood celebrities. That increase in 7k supporters isn't just going to disappear and is exactly why they will keep pushing for promotion. Do you think everyone is just going to get bored once they make it the Championship? Not really sure why you find it so hard to believe. Wrexham have never averaged this in their entire history. Those 7k extra fans aren't Wrexham fans, they're American tourists and such like visiting a little Welsh town just because of Ryan Reynolds. I don't tbink they will get to The Championship any time soon and I think the novelty will wear off. It's just my opinion that they won't just move up the leagues and they've hoodwinked people into thinking they're some mega wealthy superpower that's all.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 14:51:38 GMT
Combined the owners have serious amounts of money, I can imagine the bring in lots just through sponsor deals. They are on TV probably more than half the premiership clubs with their own series on Disney. They are spending 20 million on a new stand. They have already acquired players from leagues above them because money talks. Currently averaging 10,575 at home, United Airlines front-of-shirt sponsor, stadium sponsorship with SToK Cold Brew Coffee and a training kit partnership with Betty Buzz, the beverage company set up by Blake Lively, the wife of Wrexham co-owner Reynolds. Previous deals with TikTok, Expedia, Aviation American Gin and Vistaprint. Sold 24,000 shirts during 22/23 and made roughly £321,000 per hour of content for the eight-part Welcome to Wrexham TV series which equates to around £2.57 million. Even their average attendance sums it up. 10 years ago they weren't even averaging 3k. Just 2 years ago their average attendance was just over 4k. Where have those 7k come from? They're not Wrexham fans. This whole love in with Wrexham is pretty tedious and I just don't get it, it's just a vanity project for a couple of self obsessed Hollywood celebrities.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 13:39:20 GMT
Of course he's doing alright, but I still don't get this notion that they are now a mega wealthy superpower. Yeah him and his mate are incredibly wealthy compared to me and you, but they're paupers compared to the multi Billionaire owners of Premier League clubs and certain Championship ones. I think Waels wealth combined with his Kuwaiti Comrades will exceed Ryan Reynolds. Wrexham are just showing off, I don't see why people think they're going to instantly climb the leagues. Combined the owners have serious amounts of money, I can imagine the bring in lots just through sponsor deals. They are on TV probably more than half the premiership clubs with their own series on Disney. They are spending 20 million on a new stand. They have already acquired players from leagues above them because money talks. Not compared to a lot of other clubs it's not serious money. This is my point about Wrexham, they're just showing off. Compared to other clubs their wealth is small fry. The Hollywood owners factor is giving them coverage and exposure but deep down they're not as mega rich as people think they are. They only just sneaked out the Conference last year, and this year they're behind Stockport and are only 2 points ahead of 6th place it's not as if they're steamrolling everybody in their wake. I just don't see why people think they're just going to rise up through the leagues instantly.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 13:29:51 GMT
Well yes it is, he has a valuation if the interested clubs want him they'll have to meet it. It may not increase but it's not going to decrease He's still effectively got 2 seasons left on his contract. Whether it's now or the summer won't have any affect on our valuation. Won’t affect our valuation, but will affect his value & how much we can actually sell him for!! He's been bang out of form for pretty much 12 months now. Clubs are still interested in him, because even though he's been poor compared to the previous year, stats show that he's still in the top 2 most creative players in the Division. Our valuation and what clubs are willing to pay for him won't decrease between now and the summer for that reason.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 13:19:02 GMT
Why would we love to be in their shoes?
I still don't get this love in with Wrexham and being branded as a mega wealthy club now.
I am pretty sure Wael is wealthier than Ryan Reynolds on his own.
People keep carrying on as if they are going to be in The Premier League in a few years just because some actors bought them.
Net worth of circa $350 million dollars. Recently sold his gin business for $600m plus involved in a mobile business…. He’s doing alright for an actor 😁 Of course he's doing alright, but I still don't get this notion that they are now a mega wealthy superpower. Yeah him and his mate are incredibly wealthy compared to me and you, but they're paupers compared to the multi Billionaire owners of Premier League clubs and certain Championship ones. I think Waels wealth combined with his Kuwaiti Comrades will exceed Ryan Reynolds. Wrexham are just showing off, I don't see why people think they're going to instantly climb the leagues.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 13:10:20 GMT
With Balcombe the deal was that he had to play the first three games. We’ll probably never know if something was in place for Cox, but I’m sure if there was, it must have been fulfilled by now. No club (not even Rovers) would agree to a clause that a player couldn’t be dropped over a whole season, so I can’t see that there will be any financial penalties for us to pay. Don’t think Brentford can complain. They’ve loaned out a young player who has played over thirty games and is now learning how to cope with being dropped. All good for him and them. In one of MTs interviews yesterday, he mentions that a milestone in the agreement has been hit. He said that Cox could be recalled after that milestone. We will never know but that milestone could have been linked to guaranteed play. There will usually be a clause agreed in which the loan player must play x,y,z amount of games. The whole point of Brentford loaning us Cox was to give him league experience. It wouldn't surprise me if that is the reason Matt Taylor hasn't put Jed Ward in sooner, perhaps knowing that once Cox has played the 'Milestone' amount of games, we could send him back or Brentford can recall him.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 12:59:14 GMT
To me AC is at his best a top league 1/2 player but would struggle in the Championship,if he were to recapture his form it would be like us having a new player in the team so maybe worth sticking with him to get him back to form, look at Evans last season was awful but has been outstanding for us this year, I firmly believe if AC had been in last years form we would be bang up there in the play offs UTG. Now we are in 2024, last years form for AC was shocking. However, if you mean last seasons for up to Christmas then I would agree we would be in the playoffs. Something changed at that point and he has never been the same. Did he get injured? Its a weird one alright, he just doesn't seem to be the same player. Both him & Coburns form dropped massively in the 2nd half of last season. First half of last season they were brilliant.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 12:48:11 GMT
If he did basically refuse to be selected yesterday then that is enough reason for him to go down in fans estimations imo & not even in the top 5 best Rovers players the last 12 months. Not even close. Last 12 months agreed. The thing with Aaron Collins is that even though he's a pale shadow of what he was a year ago he's still statically in the top 2 most creative players in the Division. He still contributes even if his overall game has declined rapidly.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 12:39:50 GMT
He's got 18 months left on his contract. Whether it's now or the summer our valuation and asking price won't need to change. It's in our hands. It's not though, as we really now need to move him on this window, as I can't see his value increasing in the summer the way he's (not) been performing lately. Well yes it is, he has a valuation if the interested clubs want him they'll have to meet it. It may not increase but it's not going to decrease He's still effectively got 2 seasons left on his contract. Whether it's now or the summer won't have any affect on our valuation.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 12:15:21 GMT
Funny how easily one of our best players is being ridiculed and abused by many. Maybe the right coaching and encouragement would get him firing again, who knows but I find it odd that so many can turn, so quickly. Just an observation. I know football is a very fickle game. If he did basically refuse to be selected yesterday then that is enough reason for him to go down in fans estimations imo
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 12:11:30 GMT
People honestly think we are in a strong position here and will get more money for him in the summer, with even less time on his contract, than we will in a January window that has 3 days left Honestly 🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️ He's got 18 months left on his contract. Whether it's now or the summer our valuation and asking price won't need to change. It's in our hands.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 11:52:31 GMT
Really impressed with him during his time here. Just gets on with things without any ego or attitude, happy to do a job for the team in whatever position (signed as a winger/attacker and playing LWB) and seems to be continually improving. Only 18-months left on his deal so I wonder if there's ANY chance we could keep him here permanently from the summer (noting his Chelsea wage is supposedly upwards of £10k/w, so would require a big paycut)? And the rest. He's on about £26k a week at Chelsea. I would love us to be able to sign him permanently but I don't think there's any chance of that. There'll be plenty of Championship clubs watching him, he's showing that his versatility, attitude, application, professionalism, work rate and teamwork is top notch to go with his ability. He's one of my favourite loans we've ever had. Elliot Anderson was an absolute joy to watch but Vale is right up there imo, for his all round package. Really nice, polite, down to earth lad as well by all accounts.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 6:58:33 GMT
My grandmother was Welsh 😳 only kidding. wouldn’t the gas and many other lower league clubs love to be in Wrexham's shoes. all I can say is good luck to them as the club and town are thriving under the new ownership . Don’t somehow think the Kuwait owners will do that for us. But live in hope. UTG Why would we love to be in their shoes?
I still don't get this love in with Wrexham and being branded as a mega wealthy club now.
I am pretty sure Wael is wealthier than Ryan Reynolds on his own.
People keep carrying on as if they are going to be in The Premier League in a few years just because some actors bought them.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 6:00:06 GMT
I think a 6 would be fair.
Some of the performances, away at Bolton, Home to Pompey and yesterday v Oxford have been excellent, all against sides in the top 6
In typical Rovers style it's the teams that are in dreadful form that we let ourselves down and lose to.
His press conferences and interviews are impressive so far too.
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Post by Gastafari on Jan 28, 2024 5:16:18 GMT
Jedward moving forward after that. No chance for their goal. Took that header and held it. That save was befitting of this level of football. Totally confident, quick off his line. I was initially for a new keeper as I just didn’t know, forgive me Jedward. Those saves meant something, shipping another goal then may have changed the result. When was the last time a keeper won us points? Love him. Bristol’s No1 👍 Good post! "When was the last time a keeper won us points?" Belshaw. Undoubtedly at times he was excellent in the division below, and at times in league 1. JW will make mistakes, no doubt, he's still in his learning stage, and almost certainly there'll be a time for him to sit out a match or two. That's the nature of competition at the very highest level. But at least the working progress will benefit us. Bristol's number 1 great call! When was the last time we had bone fide keeper one of our own? Ryan Clarke?
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