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Post by Slide away on Aug 16, 2017 21:10:02 GMT
..."and results/performances poor on the field"... Were we not top of the entire football league points wise over the last 2/3 years? 2 poor performances, Jesus Christ, this place really is pathetic I think judging this site on the comments made by one person is quite pathetic as well. Just look through the previous threads- personal attacks on the AlQ's, SH, DC clueless again, it's getting worse and worse |
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Post by alvestongas on Aug 16, 2017 21:17:26 GMT
Totally with respect Justice my learned friend. I wouldn't take it all too seriously if i was you. Someone has posted something he was told, nothing more, nothing less. Social media is full of this sort of stuff. Many people post 'rumours' which is all they can really be justified as without any concrete evidence. In fairness the InCider chap has been right about a few things and is only airing something he's heard. Whether it proves to be true is something we may/may not find out in the future. Until then i would ignore it if i was you because the fact is we may never know if it's true or not. Enjoy your evening. Back by popular demand. Couldn't be bothered before as Ive said before, too many children on here being hilariously funny. It took all this time for someone to come up with the definitive answer, as repeated above. I repeated what was heard and the people discussing it are well known to most gasheads. I was surprised to hear there were two potential prospects as I had heard only a snippet of one. It was the conversation in the West Stand that confirmed the rumour I had heard. No more, no less. That was what I posted, and suddenly I am being asked to name names, etc etc. All I know is as above. I like many others, don't believe it is viable to remain at the Mem. I hope, if that's our only choice, that I am wrong. What do I think will happen? Nothing. I think that the UWE failure will be allowed to fade, then sometime later we will be told the Mem will not be redeveloped. In our current layout, nothing can be built at the tent end, as the retaining wall there is not strong enough. So we would need to start buying properties at that end to reinforce it. Cost? No idea. We already know that to make a decent size stadium (20,000 plus) the ground would need to be turned round, so presumably it would be only about 15000 capacity. Doubtful that we could sustain championship football with that capacity. It's well known that it is cheaper to build a stadium from a clear site than one already developed. Severciders cousin who has helped develop several stadiums over the years could tell you. Though he is not a gashead, and not on this site. More importantly, to complete a rebuild quickly, we would need to leave for two years. ?The council will not be happy to let the locals live next to a building site for 4 or 5 years. If the Mem is rebuilt, how do we pay off the people putting up the front money? No, I don't know either. By the way Someone said there were reciprocal Heads of Terms, the vice chancellor confirmed on the radio that he was expecting to receive one, but hadn't, and we say we sent one. The question is, who is telling porkies? I hope it's the UWE, but again I don't know. Surely the most recently agreed PP for the Mem was a stadium capacity 18000 with enabling (financing) development of residential (student) accommodation, hotel and retail facilities within the redeveloped area. So that doesn't mean it needs to be turned around, would potentially provide funds towards the build and ongoing income in years to come. Sensible question to you B......Gasincider - were you asked to leak this by the people (in the know) in the corridors of power or did you decide yourself to divulge what they were talking about but not reveal any names or real detail. Is this disclosure in the best interests of BRFC & its current leadership? |
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 21:19:52 GMT
Why is something being verifiably true suddenly so important to you now? You've never bothered with reality on this subject before. Factman makes two howlers in his posts about facts, and instead of acknowledging it, attacks the poster who pointed it out. I apologise unreservedly for not knowing the difference between the UAE and Jordan. I apologise even more unreservedly for not knowing the difference between UAE and Bahrain which is where the article appeared in Gulf Weekly. Here it is: www.gulfweekly.com/Articles/33320//Oil-Cash-for-GasNot so much of a howler after all. |
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 21:23:03 GMT
Which is relevant to this fairy story how? People saying one thing and not delivering it is irrelevant? Guess when you hold that view it's time to ignore you. I just don't understand how whether or not work has started on the training ground helps us find out who our mystery benefactors are. That's all. I don't want to offend or come across as an idiot. So I apologise if I have done so. |
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Post by LJG on Aug 16, 2017 21:26:49 GMT
Why is something being verifiably true suddenly so important to you now? You've never bothered with reality on this subject before. Seems I was proven right about Wael having to get his families approval to invest in the club/build the UWE plus there's still no sign of Will Dubey at the club, what snippets of info have you ever come up? I don't really agree that you've been proven right about anything but there we go. I believe all this to be a tool to create disruption and ill feeling. Hopefully whatever is best for the gas will happen. Apologies if you've been offended by my posts - let's hope the league form picks up and we've got something to cheer soon. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 22:01:26 GMT
If a party that was interested in buying the club now and/or in he past wanted an opportunity again then now would be the time to stir things up. With a much wanted stadium being ended by the owners and results/performances poor on the field. It is very easy to say someone else wants to come in and make things better again ,this will potentially stir up some fans to be vocal and the old "sack the board" and "f### of #### get out of the club" kind of mob mentality rubbish. Its exactly the time I would expect these "over heard conversation " leaks to occur. I say put up or shut up ,to those takeover parties. Do not undermine the club and all that's been achieved over the last few years by destroying the unity and positive atmosphere that's here. ..."and results/performances poor on the field"... Were we not top of the entire football league points wise over the last 2/3 years? 2 poor performances, Jesus Christ, this place really is pathetic I don't quite think you have grasped the point of the post. If there was going to be a time...it would be when the club is sat in bottom place in the league......cant remember the club being in that position for a few years.Hence strike whilst the iron is hot. Hence why the rumours are spread.....
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Post by gasincider on Aug 16, 2017 22:19:17 GMT
Just because the Mem is sh**e, unsustainable and cannot be developed, that still doesn't mean the deal with UWE was the better option. The way some of you are going on you'd think it was the end of the world. If WAQ had completely sold us down the river with a crap deal with UWE the same old faces would be on here saying 'we should never have left the Mem. At least that was ours' WE KNOW NOTHING!!! Don't know if that was aimed at me Hugo, but I reiterate. The biggest problem with our current set up is LACK OF COMMUNICATION. We just don't know what the problem was with the UWE deal? It's hardly a secret to say they kept moving the goal posts. But that was obviously not the reason it failed. You don't throw hundreds of thousands down the pan because a self imposed deadline is not met. My fear is Lansdown doing a deal there to dump the rugby club away from the sh*thouse south of the river. I fear the real reason is that Wael who wears his heart on his sleeve passionately wanted this to work, but Hani, the pragmatic banker, realised just what the family had let itself in for, cost wise anyway, and got cold feet. But if Hani thinks building a new stadium will cost a fortune, he would be sadly mistaken if he thinks revamping the Mem is much cheaper. Assuming that is that the revamp really takes place. Just think about the future at a revamped Mem that costs say £20m to improve, and we get to the championship. This week alone players at championship clubs are changing hands for millions. How do we compete with a capacity of say 15,000? I think we all know the answer to that, so anything less than a UWE stadium condemns us to life in the lower part of the pyramid. However, whilst I know little of the prospective newbies intentions, I haven't said they could make a go of the UWE unlike the AQ's, but they could pick up from where it currently stands, and if it's viable go ahead. What I don't understand is how people are still prepared to bury their heads in the sand and believe what we've been told. Just what have we been told? Absolutely nothing. Even 20pence said he had no more idea of what went wrong at UWE at the end of his interview, than at the start. It's at this point, honest clarification of the reasons need to be made. I truly believe Wael wanted this to happen, and he must feel awkward now that the honeymoon is well and truly over. But remember, it wasn't Wael dealing with the UWE. Wael is trying to carry the poor hand he has been dealt, whilst knowing that without full transparency, people will be doubting him.I don't think he deserves that. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2017 22:38:53 GMT
People saying one thing and not delivering it is irrelevant? Guess when you hold that view it's time to ignore you. I just don't understand how whether or not work has started on the training ground helps us find out who our mystery benefactors are. That's all. I don't want to offend or come across as an idiot. So I apologise if I have done so. Well I'll agree with you that work on the training ground, or lack of, has no bearing on potential bidders. It is highly relevant though to whether you believe the current owners will deliver what they have talked about. As far as I know it'll cost pounds to submit a planning application to change the current restrictions on the site. So why haven't they done it? Simple question |
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Post by gasincider on Aug 16, 2017 22:55:13 GMT
I just don't understand how whether or not work has started on the training ground helps us find out who our mystery benefactors are. That's all. I don't want to offend or come across as an idiot. So I apologise if I have done so. Well I'll agree with you that work on the training ground, or lack of, has no bearing on potential bidders. It is highly relevant though to whether you believe the current owners will deliver what they have talked about. As far as I know it'll cost pounds to submit a planning application to change the current restrictions on the site. So why haven't they done it? Simple question I think you'll find it's not so much current restrictions, (unless of course you mean what I'm about to post), it's the format of the cafeteria and showers that need to be built. The structure when complete has to conform with the local environment. In other words not look like a carbuncle on a decent greenfield site. The issue in its simplest form is for example should it be a prefabricated structure which may look cheap and tacky, or can it be built with quality stone/ brick to form a more natural looking structure which would better enhance the facility. But why it should take this long heaven only knows. Not sure if an application has even been submitted, which strikes me as decidedly odd. |
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Post by countygroundhotel on Aug 16, 2017 23:18:23 GMT
Well I'll agree with you that work on the training ground, or lack of, has no bearing on potential bidders. It is highly relevant though to whether you believe the current owners will deliver what they have talked about. As far as I know it'll cost pounds to submit a planning application to change the current restrictions on the site. So why haven't they done it? Simple question I think you'll find it's not so much current restrictions, (unless of course you mean what I'm about to post), it's the format of the cafeteria and showers that need to be built. The structure when complete has to conform with the local environment. In other words not look like a carbuncle on a decent greenfield site. The issue in its simplest form is for example should it be a prefabricated structure which may look cheap and tacky, or can it be built with quality stone/ brick to form a more natural looking structure which would better enhance the facility. But why it should take this long heaven only knows. Not sure if an application has even been submitted, which strikes me as decidedly odd. The fact is no planning application has been lodged. From what was posted at the time there was a few planning regulations that would be needed to be varied, apologies for not remembering exactly what but I think times the site cane be used for example. Easy stuff to change Si why haven't the owners done it? LJG can probably tell is why |
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 17, 2017 0:14:05 GMT
As been said, someone is telling porkies & communication has been poor in the extreme.
However, apart from the initial 'surprise' UWE have also been very quiet. I would have thought, that after both WAQ & SH have been quite damning of them in their interviews, they would have least come out & defend their position, unless they have no defence & have been pi$$ing us about for 18 months.
Unless there was a joint statement from DS & UWE there was always going to be the reaction we have seen.
At the end of the day, it seems DS were not prepared to risk the investors money. It's their reputation, so I can't say I blame them.
However, I can't see the same investors forking out even more to rebuild the Mem, especially as the club is likely to be in much more debt, if & when any build starts.
I am resigned to watching us in an 'at the best' a tidier stadium with perhaps the East & West Stands rebuilt to the length of the pitch, if possible, giving the tent to the away fans.
If there is a consortium, who has the finance in place, and they have already missed the boat once, I would say....
1) They have to put up or shut up, the sooner the better.
2) As much as I would love it if we could build UWE, if they are of the type to discuss the taking over of our club & the investment they have to build UWE in earshot of fans at a game, in earshot of casual supporters, would I really trust them to run our club?
I think DS need to apologise for their handling of the communication re the demise of the UWE deal, and be more transparent in any future stadium plans - in fact I could set them a deadline to come up with their intentions.........nah no point, I couldn't walk away!!! UTG
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Post by BrightonGas on Aug 17, 2017 2:53:46 GMT
I think you'll find it's not so much current restrictions, (unless of course you mean what I'm about to post), it's the format of the cafeteria and showers that need to be built. The structure when complete has to conform with the local environment. In other words not look like a carbuncle on a decent greenfield site. The issue in its simplest form is for example should it be a prefabricated structure which may look cheap and tacky, or can it be built with quality stone/ brick to form a more natural looking structure which would better enhance the facility. But why it should take this long heaven only knows. Not sure if an application has even been submitted, which strikes me as decidedly odd. The fact is no planning application has been lodged. From what was posted at the time there was a few planning regulations that would be needed to be varied, apologies for not remembering exactly what but I think times the site cane be used for example. Easy stuff to change Si why haven't the owners done it? LJG can probably tell is why Why not just talk in the mirror about the training ground? or start a new thread? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 17, 2017 5:12:37 GMT
There was supposedly a consortium buying us prior to the AQ take over.
They were very secretive and mysterious, refusing to go public but seemingly happy to drop titbits to certain fans.
Now there is another. Or maybe the same one has returned.
Up until yesterday I was still convinced both existed but I'm now starting to have my doubts. I'm beginning to wonder if someone is deliberately lying to fans in order to create unrest.
I fully believe gasincider is reporting accurately what he has heard but since he cannot reveal who told him we cannot decide how trustworthy the info is.
There still seems to be much wrong at the top at Rovers.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Aug 17, 2017 5:15:13 GMT
Just because the Mem is sh**e, unsustainable and cannot be developed, that still doesn't mean the deal with UWE was the better option. The way some of you are going on you'd think it was the end of the world. If WAQ had completely sold us down the river with a crap deal with UWE the same old faces would be on here saying 'we should never have left the Mem. At least that was ours' WE KNOW NOTHING!!! Don't know if that was aimed at me Hugo, but I reiterate. The biggest problem with our current set up is LACK OF COMMUNICATION. We just don't know what the problem was with the UWE deal? It's hardly a secret to say they kept moving the goal posts. But that was obviously not the reason it failed. You don't throw hundreds of thousands down the pan because a self imposed deadline is not met. My fear is Lansdown doing a deal there to dump the rugby club away from the sh*thouse south of the river. I fear the real reason is that Wael who wears his heart on his sleeve passionately wanted this to work, but Hani, the pragmatic banker, realised just what the family had let itself in for, cost wise anyway, and got cold feet. But if Hani thinks building a new stadium will cost a fortune, he would be sadly mistaken if he thinks revamping the Mem is much cheaper. Assuming that is that the revamp really takes place. Just think about the future at a revamped Mem that costs say £20m to improve, and we get to the championship. This week alone players at championship clubs are changing hands for millions. How do we compete with a capacity of say 15,000? I think we all know the answer to that, so anything less than a UWE stadium condemns us to life in the lower part of the pyramid. However, whilst I know little of the prospective newbies intentions, I haven't said they could make a go of the UWE unlike the AQ's, but they could pick up from where it currently stands, and if it's viable go ahead. What I don't understand is how people are still prepared to bury their heads in the sand and believe what we've been told. Just what have we been told? Absolutely nothing. Even 20pence said he had no more idea of what went wrong at UWE at the end of his interview, than at the start. It's at this point, honest clarification of the reasons need to be made. I truly believe Wael wanted this to happen, and he must feel awkward now that the honeymoon is well and truly over. But remember, it wasn't Wael dealing with the UWE. Wael is trying to carry the poor hand he has been dealt, whilst knowing that without full transparency, people will be doubting him.I don't think he deserves that. No, not aimed at you particularly. Agree that communication is at an all time low and that creates a vacuum which is being filled with conjecture, rumors and out right lies. (Again, not aimed at you, we are all doing it) |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 5:25:34 GMT
Well I'll agree with you that work on the training ground, or lack of, has no bearing on potential bidders. It is highly relevant though to whether you believe the current owners will deliver what they have talked about. As far as I know it'll cost pounds to submit a planning application to change the current restrictions on the site. So why haven't they done it? Simple question I think you'll find it's not so much current restrictions, (unless of course you mean what I'm about to post), it's the format of the cafeteria and showers that need to be built. The structure when complete has to conform with the local environment. In other words not look like a carbuncle on a decent greenfield site. The issue in its simplest form is for example should it be a prefabricated structure which may look cheap and tacky, or can it be built with quality stone/ brick to form a more natural looking structure which would better enhance the facility. But why it should take this long heaven only knows. Not sure if an application has even been submitted, which strikes me as decidedly odd. If I recall The Colony was going to be "an all singing, all dancing permanent facility" where the the whole playing side of the club would be based full time during the week. The facility would include - changing rooms - classrooms- gym- offices - restaurant, showers/changing rooms up to 8 training pitches (not all full size) some 3G - lighting- car parking. A full size 3G pitch alone would cost the best part of £200k. The Chairman did say that there would be pre planning meetings with SGC before the formal plans were submitted - I don't believe even this has happened yet - but there again that's the Chairman. This was not going to be a Mickey Mouse proposal - it is/was going to be a significant investment costing millions. Is it not unreasonable for the fans to expect an update - surely this won't be under the umbrella of a Confidentiality Agreement? Of course it's unreasonable!!! |
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Post by peterparker on Aug 17, 2017 5:41:09 GMT
Totally with respect Justice my learned friend. I wouldn't take it all too seriously if i was you. Someone has posted something he was told, nothing more, nothing less. Social media is full of this sort of stuff. Many people post 'rumours' which is all they can really be justified as without any concrete evidence. In fairness the InCider chap has been right about a few things and is only airing something he's heard. Whether it proves to be true is something we may/may not find out in the future. Until then i would ignore it if i was you because the fact is we may never know if it's true or not. Enjoy your evening. Back by popular demand. Couldn't be bothered before as Ive said before, too many children on here being hilariously funny. It took all this time for someone to come up with the definitive answer, as repeated above. I repeated what was heard and the people discussing it are well known to most gasheads. I was surprised to hear there were two potential prospects as I had heard only a snippet of one. It was the conversation in the West Stand that confirmed the rumour I had heard. No more, no less. That was what I posted, and suddenly I am being asked to name names, etc etc. All I know is as above. I like many others, don't believe it is viable to remain at the Mem. I hope, if that's our only choice, that I am wrong. What do I think will happen? Nothing. I think that the UWE failure will be allowed to fade, then sometime later we will be told the Mem will not be redeveloped. In our current layout, nothing can be built at the tent end, as the retaining wall there is not strong enough. So we would need to start buying properties at that end to reinforce it. Cost? No idea. We already know that to make a decent size stadium (20,000 plus) the ground would need to be turned round, so presumably it would be only about 15000 capacity. Doubtful that we could sustain championship football with that capacity. It's well known that it is cheaper to build a stadium from a clear site than one already developed. Severciders cousin who has helped develop several stadiums over the years could tell you. Though he is not a gashead, and not on this site. More importantly, to complete a rebuild quickly, we would need to leave for two years. ?The council will not be happy to let the locals live next to a building site for 4 or 5 years. If the Mem is rebuilt, how do we pay off the people putting up the front money? No, I don't know either. By the way Someone said there were reciprocal Heads of Terms, the vice chancellor confirmed on the radio that he was expecting to receive one, but hadn't, and we say we sent one. The question is, who is telling porkies? I hope it's the UWE, but again I don't know. Amazing though before the UWE opportunity came along that the previous board were looking to redevlope the Mem as it was the only option/the only thing we/tbey didnt have to pay for and without it we would never do anything Cant be all that bad to redevelope The Mem surely if it has decent facilities and can produce some non match day reveue. Maybe it could have an AJIB branch in it  Is The Mem the perfect site? Probably not, but doesnt mean UWE is a great option without knowing what they wanted to take from it. Like anything I am sure there is an argument for either project Whatever happened to UWE and their desperate need for us to build them a car park? |
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Post by beaver132 on Aug 17, 2017 6:31:37 GMT
Our present owners say the UWE deal wasn't in the best interests of BRFC. A new group want to push ahead with that deal. That doesn't sound like welcome news to me...
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Post by Marshy on Aug 17, 2017 7:30:59 GMT
Our present owners say the UWE deal wasn't in the best interests of BRFC. A new group want to push ahead with that deal. That doesn't sound like welcome news to me... What new group? ' Lucy in the sky with diamonds ' |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 8:16:17 GMT
Our present owners say the UWE deal wasn't in the best interests of BRFC. A new group want to push ahead with that deal. That doesn't sound like welcome news to me... Or "in the best interests of" the AQ's. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 8:38:38 GMT
A few more pages of nothing then? How do so many people get pleasure out of trying to prove others wrong with non info about the not known?! Its bizzare.
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