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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 7:30:53 GMT
Great post, summed it up, well done. I don't know him but you obviously do! UTG! Anyone who recognises how unique and special our football league structure is and has a genuine passion for lower league football wins my respect and Chewbacca ticks those boxes. Proper Gashead. I commend him for standing up to the changes and actually having the conviction to follow his beliefs, not attend and campaign against B/U23 teams. As true football supporters, the easy thing to do would be to brush our unease at the changes under the carpet and forget about the longer term repercussions to have a night out at a game, which we all love doing. By taking a stand, he's playing his part to protect lower league football as we know it for future generations of Gasheads to enjoy. We all remember the first time we walked onto a busy terrace, glazed at the pitch and soaked up the unique atmosphere that only lower league football can offer. I somehow don't think that feeling would be the same for the next generation if we have to face the likes of Swansea and Bournemouth U23. So if called you a scab I'm a proper Gashead?
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Post by pirate49 on Aug 31, 2017 7:37:53 GMT
What's not been mentioned is just how important that match may prove to be as the season develops. DC had the opportunity to see Telford, Broom, Burn etc perform in a fully competitive match....far better than any Professional Development game. As regards calling fellow Rovers' supporters 'scabs'....way out of order.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 31, 2017 7:40:43 GMT
Let's have no more name-calling and insults, please.
I realise this thread is full of them, but it will die soon enough, and moderators will be looking at insults more closely in future. So, if we can let this thread pan out with no more insults, that would be great. Thanks.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Aug 31, 2017 7:44:02 GMT
What's not been mentioned is just how important that match may prove to be as the season develops. DC had the opportunity to see Telford, Broom, Burn etc perform in a fully competitive match....far better than any Professional Development game. Sure, but that sort of team would have been perfectly pickable under the old (pre-2016) format of the competition, so it's hardly an endorsement of the new format.
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Post by socrates on Aug 31, 2017 8:14:22 GMT
Personally I used to quite like the crappy cup and I've got some good memories of it , the 1-0 win at twerton against a very good Notts co side and the return where we held out 0-0 to get to Wembley in 1990 The home and away leg v the sh** to get to Cardiff in 2007, I know the early stages weren't well supported but they were bigger than under the new format and they increased as you got further. it was a nice little cup between the lower league sides with a chance to get to Wembley but the FA have thrown that away for Premier league money and they'll try to do the same to our league format if supporters support this crap idea is the way I see it.
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Post by Midsomer Murderer on Aug 31, 2017 8:33:07 GMT
66 scabs will never die 66 scabs our battle cry Half a strike for "almost" song lyrics were they song lyrics ? well I never what a coincidence
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 31, 2017 8:36:58 GMT
What's not been mentioned is just how important that match may prove to be as the season develops. DC had the opportunity to see Telford, Broom, Burn etc perform in a fully competitive match....far better than any Professional Development game. Sure, but that sort of team would have been perfectly pickable under the old (pre-2016) format of the competition, so it's hardly an endorsement of the new format. Indeed. And the new format has all the potential of a 'lets tinker and play and see what we can mess up for the lower league clubs in return a few scraps of PL loose change"
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Post by matealotblue on Aug 31, 2017 8:40:05 GMT
Personally I used to quite like the crappy cup and I've got some good memories of it , the 1-0 win at twerton against a very good Notts co side and the return where we held out 0-0 to get to Wembley in 1990 The home and away leg v the sh** to get to Cardiff in 2007, I know the early stages weren't well supported but they were bigger than under the new format and they increased as you got further. it was a nice little cup between the lower league sides with a chance to get to Wembley but the FA have thrown that away for Premier league money and they'll try to do the same to our league format if supporters support this crap idea is the way I see it.Concur with that. Like I've said in other posts, unless and until fans give this some "tough love" to ignore it completely (yes-that must include Wembley) then the EFL/FA will not listen.
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Post by socrates on Aug 31, 2017 9:31:08 GMT
Personally I used to quite like the crappy cup and I've got some good memories of it , the 1-0 win at twerton against a very good Notts co side and the return where we held out 0-0 to get to Wembley in 1990 The home and away leg v the sh** to get to Cardiff in 2007, I know the early stages weren't well supported but they were bigger than under the new format and they increased as you got further. it was a nice little cup between the lower league sides with a chance to get to Wembley but the FA have thrown that away for Premier league money and they'll try to do the same to our league format if supporters support this crap idea is the way I see it.Concur with that. Like I've said in other posts, unless and until fans give this some "tough love" to ignore it completely (yes-that must include Wembley) then the EFL/FA will not listen. Yeah I'm not going to any games even if we get to Wembley which is a shame because I used to go to all the crappy cup games. They've ruined it for the fans because the way they see it Prem money is more important than us.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 9:58:29 GMT
Fair play and full respect to the 66 Gasheads who had the interest and the where with all to travel to Wycombe on a Tuesday night to watch the boys in blue and white in the checkatrade trophy; you pays your money you makes you choice, well done to each and everyone of you. You watch everybody jump on board if we make it to the later rounds. UTG Not everybody that's for sure.Dont think we would take more than 10k if we made the final.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 10:06:45 GMT
So why not give the fans a chance to vote whether to back the boards decision or not.that is the democratic way and would stop the over reaction and name calling If you read the link that tommym9 posted, you'll see that where fans were consulted, they were largely ignored: "The EFL has consistently disregarded the views of the game’s key stakeholder, the supporter. Where fan consultation was conducted, it was ignored. In two extreme cases, Carlisle United and Notts County ignored over 95% of their respondents. Why should any EFL fan ever take another club survey? For years supporters have been spoon-fed excuse after excuse for lower league clubs being required to bend to The Premier League and The English National Team. The Football League was forced to vote in EPPP, allowing youngsters to be stockpiled at Premier League clubs rather than gaining first team experience in The EFL. When those stockpiles become too large, the Premier League invades a competition it deliberately split away from in 1992 to retain a larger share of the money flowing through the sport." Best post I've read on this subject.
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Post by toddy1953 on Aug 31, 2017 11:00:04 GMT
I might be wrong, & stand corrected if so, but I thought the decision as to whether B teams can play in a reformed EFL, is decided by votes from the 72 EFL Clubs ? If so then surely those clubs voting for the format need to be targeted directly by their supporters & not only boycott Trophy games but league games too.
However, for me, change was inevitable from the day the PL was formed. TV saw an opening & plastic armchair supporters were born. Change has always happened, in 1920 the Third Div North & South were introduced, imagine the concern there with doubling the size of the FL - could it be sustained? Then in the late 50's the North & South was abolished for a Fourth Div. I am sure there were concerns about the cost of travel for smaller clubs & whether they would survive - looking back I think 50% of the Northern teams that went to the Fourth Div are either out of existence or been reformed & no longer in the league. They changed the re-election process to allowing the Conf league an automatic league place for the winners - without that we would probably not seen the like likes of Burton, Cheltenham, Yeovil, Crawley, Morecambe, Fleetwood , FGR , etc., but also we wouldn't have seen the likes of Boston & Rushden & Diamonds, in the league. It's slightly different now as we are basically talking about reserve team in the league, but as our owners say it's evolution, times change.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Aug 31, 2017 11:33:41 GMT
I'm going to play devils advocate here and just put a couple of scenarios out there to see what people think.
Scenario 1 - Crowds of 5000 to watch two non U23 sides play in the Checkatrade trophy but only 200 to watch a game involving one U23 side. This has the desired impact of letting the FA know that we will still support our own clubs but not when we are playing an U23 side. That's what we all want, isn't it?
Scenario 2 - Crowds of 200-300 to watch any game at all in the Checkatrade trophy irrespective of whether an U23 side is involved or not. This is what a lot of people want. This has a similar impact to scenario 1 but also allows the FA to conclude that we aren't at all interested in the competition, full stop. That then allows the FA to take any action they please and could end up with the competition scrapped altogether and totally replaced with an U23 cup competition. The FA would justify that by saying that if we wanted to be part of the competition then we would have supported it.
I guess we have to be careful what we wish for. What do others think? Do my scenarios make sense or am I wide of the mark?
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Post by lympstonegas on Aug 31, 2017 11:58:24 GMT
I'm going to play devils advocate here and just put a couple of scenarios out there to see what people think. Scenario 1 - Crowds of 5000 to watch two non U23 sides play in the Checkatrade trophy but only 200 to watch a game involving one U23 side. This has the desired impact of letting the FA know that we will still support our own clubs but not when we are playing an U23 side. That's what we all want, isn't it? Scenario 2 - Crowds of 200-300 to watch any game at all in the Checkatrade trophy irrespective of whether an U23 side is involved or not. This is what a lot of people want. This has a similar impact to scenario 1 but also allows the FA to conclude that we aren't at all interested in the competition, full stop. That then allows the FA to take any action they please and could end up with the competition scrapped altogether and totally replaced with an U23 cup competition. The FA would justify that by saying that if we wanted to be part of the competition then we would have supported it. I guess we have to be careful what we wish for. What do others think? Do my scenarios make sense or am I wide of the mark? No you present a good take on the scenarios. I guess if the FAs goal is to improve the young English players stockpiled by PL clubs they could just accelerate the format to U23 games only and totally ignore the higher attendances at non U23 games regardless. There then maybe scope for another 'crap cup' for lower league teams if sponsorship could be found and matches able to be fitted into an already busy programme. As the FA have already ignored the fans view when they offered feedback and the boycotted low gate returns of last season to extend the programme further in the way they have, surely they will continue regardless of whether 20 or 20,000 turn up. Hence some believe you may as well turn up and support your side regardless as the clubs have had to buy in to the FA format anyway.
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Post by inee on Aug 31, 2017 13:53:15 GMT
Half a strike for "almost" song lyrics were they song lyrics ? well I never what a coincidence stop causing Alarm
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 31, 2017 14:18:53 GMT
Regarding the Checkatrade Trophy, in England's Under 20 World Cup winning squad more minutes were played in Eredivisie than the Checkatrade Trophy.
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Post by scoobydoogas on Aug 31, 2017 16:26:43 GMT
Regarding the Checkatrade Trophy, in England's Under 20 World Cup winning squad more minutes were played in Eredivisie than the Checkatrade Trophy. Well I'm gonna blow two lips to that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2017 17:23:43 GMT
Scandalous to have prem u23 teams in the competition, but we're more than happy to take u23's from prem teams on loan, keeping our own u23s out the matchday squad
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Aug 31, 2017 19:12:42 GMT
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Post by chewbacca on Aug 31, 2017 19:12:42 GMT
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Post by curlywurly on Aug 31, 2017 19:44:21 GMT
Obviously fake news. As Shaun Harvey is reported to have said, "By 'eck. The EFL Checkatrade trophy was the only reason England won the U20s World Cup, something I take full responsibility for." Kevin Byrne, founder and owner of Checkatrade was heard to respond "'ave it you b*st@&s"
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