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Post by aghast on Oct 1, 2017 20:44:03 GMT
Some dodgy happenings from the authorities in Barcelona where people are being beaten up and arrested for voting in an independence referendum.
I realise the Catalans can't just declare UDI, but I didn't realise they could be clubbed over the head for a vote about whether they might do it.
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Post by pirate on Oct 1, 2017 22:21:36 GMT
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 2, 2017 5:49:51 GMT
Jesus wept.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 2, 2017 6:54:30 GMT
I feel your frustration, Hugo. I`m at one with your exasperation. Can`t we have a separate section, for those who want to turn everything into an anti Israeli rant? |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 2, 2017 9:32:05 GMT
Some dodgy happenings from the authorities in Barcelona where people are being beaten up and arrested for voting in an independence referendum. I realise the Catalans can't just declare UDI, but I didn't realise they could be clubbed over the head for a vote about whether they might do it. As much as I didn't like the tone of either the Scottish Independence or Brexit referenda, especially as they were (and perhaps for too many remain) quite divisive, I do feel proud that we were able to have them. As far as this is concerned, I think Madrid fell into a trap. They should have let it go without interference and then played on a low turnout. By going in heavy handed it would encourage those who otherwise would have ignored it to vote. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 2, 2017 10:06:12 GMT
Some dodgy happenings from the authorities in Barcelona where people are being beaten up and arrested for voting in an independence referendum. I realise the Catalans can't just declare UDI, but I didn't realise they could be clubbed over the head for a vote about whether they might do it. As much as I didn't like the tone of either the Scottish Independence or Brexit referenda, especially as they were (and perhaps for too many remain) quite divisive, I do feel proud that we were able to have them. As far as this is concerned, I think Madrid fell into a trap. They should have let it go without interference and then played on a low turnout. By going in heavy handed it would encourage those who otherwise would have ignored it to vote. Yeah I read a little about it earlier in the week and the stance of Madrid and the police was one of the issues cited over and over by Catalan people as the main reason to vote for independence. |
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Post by LJG on Oct 2, 2017 15:52:40 GMT
Anyone ever seen The Big Lebowski?
"God damn you Walter! You f*ckin' as5hole! Everything's a f*ckin' travesty with you, man! And what was all that sh1t about Vietnam? What the F*CK, has anything got to do with Vietnam? What the f*ck are you talking about?"
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Post by inee on Oct 2, 2017 17:05:14 GMT
had yer pills today lordjusticegashead  |
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Post by jaggas on Oct 9, 2017 18:05:55 GMT
It is so sad that the police in a civilised country could behave this way.In the last 20 30 years we have seen forced unions in Eastern Europe crumble as individual countries wanted their independence and to govern themselves.Yet in Western Europe the opposite has happened as countries are forced together under one Union ruled by Germany while the taxpayers of the UK have to pick up the bill.I hope the Catalans get their independence.....anything that will halt the United States of Europe will be a good thing.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 9, 2017 21:01:46 GMT
It is so sad that the police in a civilised country could behave this way.In the last 20 30 years we have seen forced unions in Eastern Europe crumble as individual countries wanted their independence and to govern themselves.Yet in Western Europe the opposite has happened as countries are forced together under one Union ruled by Germany while the taxpayers of the UK have to pick up the bill.I hope the Catalans get their independence.....anything that will halt the United States of Europe will be a good thing. All hail division!! Down with unity!! |
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 10, 2017 6:40:30 GMT
All hail coercion!!
Down with democracy!!
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 10, 2017 6:55:49 GMT
Politics of division is much easier.
Personally I'd love to see a World Union but maybe I've just watched too much Star Trek.
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 10, 2017 18:08:49 GMT
Politics of division is much easier. Personally I'd love to see a World Union but maybe I've just watched too much Star Trek. Hugo, I`m sure we`d all like to see it, but it ain`t going to happen. People don`t much like each other. They never have, and I doubt if they ever will. |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 10, 2017 19:46:02 GMT
Politics of division is much easier. Personally I'd love to see a World Union but maybe I've just watched too much Star Trek. Hugo, I`m sure we`d all like to see it, but it ain`t going to happen. People don`t much like each other. They never have, and I doubt if they ever will. Sad but true. Pigs are more equal than others. |
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Post by William Wilson on Oct 12, 2017 6:45:25 GMT
What an inspiring leader for the Catalans, Carles Puigdemont is proving to be.
He helped engineer this referendum, encouraged the people to vote "leave", which they duly did, and now he`s frantically backing away from the result.
Makes me glad we`ve got Theresa May at the helm. Almost.
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Post by jaggas on Oct 13, 2017 19:49:47 GMT
It is so sad that the police in a civilised country could behave this way.In the last 20 30 years we have seen forced unions in Eastern Europe crumble as individual countries wanted their independence and to govern themselves.Yet in Western Europe the opposite has happened as countries are forced together under one Union ruled by Germany while the taxpayers of the UK have to pick up the bill.I hope the Catalans get their independence.....anything that will halt the United States of Europe will be a good thing. All hail division!! Down with unity!! People voting should not have their heads cracked open by over zealous police,the people have voted for independence is that really such a bad thing? |
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Oct 13, 2017 19:53:45 GMT
All hail division!! Down with unity!! People voting should not have their heads cracked open by over zealous police,the people have voted for independence is that really such a bad thing? A proper vote that everyone can attend and was conducted in a safe way would be preferable. Many voters stayed away, though I think the result may have been the same. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 16, 2017 12:10:34 GMT
So, Thursday is the day then.
Madrid is threatening autonomy suspension if independence is called and wants clarification that it won't be. According to Sky News Rajoy has stated any ambiguity will be treated as a Declaration of Independence so article 155 will be invoked. To prevent this, the Catalonian President has to essentially say he called their bluff and lost.
Such a mess.
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Post by baggins on Oct 16, 2017 12:27:56 GMT
So, Thursday is the day then. Madrid is threatening autonomy suspension if independence is called and wants clarification that it won't be. According to Sky News Rajoy has stated any ambiguity will be treated as a Declaration of Independence so article 155 will be invoked. To prevent this, the Catalonian President has to essentially say he called their bluff and lost. Such a mess. They won't call independence. |
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Post by Marshy on Oct 16, 2017 12:49:11 GMT
So, Thursday is the day then. Madrid is threatening autonomy suspension if independence is called and wants clarification that it won't be. According to Sky News Rajoy has stated any ambiguity will be treated as a Declaration of Independence so article 155 will be invoked. To prevent this, the Catalonian President has to essentially say he called their bluff and lost. Such a mess. They won't call independence. I did like that film with Will Smith. They stuffed it right up those darn aliens! |
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