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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2014 5:20:51 GMT
I think though the board are happy with he SC they have. The SC has many members but barely anyone bothers to turn up for things like AGMs or election because they arent interested aside from getting a coach, program or 50/50 ticket I think it is time for something new. A lot about BRFC has stagnated over the years. We can have more than one supporters group, other clubs do, but when it comes to the crunch all views and groups should be heard and welcomed and disagreed with as necessary If the club are serious about a new dawn and new era, they will take it all ways (one for innuendo bingo). If they try snd rubbish it, or say as they have in the past thay they will only take ideas through the SC, I will know nothing has changed The fans get what they deserve if they don't turn up for boring AGM's, elections don't they? No excuses! As far as the stuff that makes money, this is the thing that really does act as leverage when making demands. This is what the BOD are interested in, otherwise why would they listen to a group of fans that are just a talking shop with a set of demands? Besides, where is the difference between the Independent Supporters having to go through the same rigmarole of constitutions, AGM's etc to justify their existence, which most people will find boring when the SC already do all these things. A united fan base speaking with one voice is much better proposition rather than a divided one, making the board choose who to recognise and the fans choose which side of the divide to support. Get in there and sort out what we have got. Much simpler solution. One voice means the BOD has to listen to a united fan base. We all support Bristol Rovers, rather than factions within Bristol Rovers, don't we? i can only talk from my experience and say it has all been tried before and it was hard to change it then The first fans directors election and older AGMs were well supported, i think though the SC was happy to revert to type and do with minimal hassle. It has been tried before to get involved with the SC There were progressive people involved with the SC long since gone because of various things, who met much resistance whether it was the new constitution or the share scheme which was once desribed as an attack on Geoff Dunford. I think people see the SC simply as the match day and coach ticket sellers and that is about the extent of what they do rightly or wrongly. Hopefully a new group would energise the fanbase and people may think it will give them a voice. If it fails then nothing has been lost It wont be easy, but if the club are vonest about change they will at least acknowledge any new groups, unlike in the past. Tvis board have turned money down when the old AF when it wanted to sposor a player. It turned down an excellent kick it out advert to be paid for in the programme because it wasnt from the SC, see link www.bristolpost.co.uk/Fans-left-bemused-Bristol-Rovers-reject-advert/story-11282378-detail/story.htmlThe question is what does the SC do for me and what do i want it to do? If they are happy with it fine, if they want something different or more there is a potential alternative in the works The twitter of the new group has hundreds of followers already, so must appeal to a few of the internet savvy. Can it connect with the masses. Time will tell |
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 5:44:36 GMT
Ras, Pp has made many good points.. Perhaps from your perspective it should have been in a different thread/topic.. Surely your not telling people what they can and can't say already.. You made a choice to not post on the IF, and opened a new forum which is fair play, but that was your choice surely??? You've said people can post what they want on the new forum.. Pp is not preaching Oh yeah.. Not avvin a dig or nowt just saying like.. Decent little forum this will become IMO some decent points here. it does feel a bit weird that we are already being told what to talk about. I think Ras is trying to say that it would be nice if there could be one forum (this one...) where we have a bit of a chat and a laugh, to take our minds off the fact we support a sh** football team. Maybe this is the smoking room rather than the kitchen sink drama. I don;t know much about all the politics and frankly don't really want to know. that doesn't mean I;m sticking my head in the sand. I'm not. I know we have a Stalinist Board, a comfy slippers SC, and are caught between Alaister Campbell and Coco the Clown for our PR, and I have been vocal on that in the past and in my new BEP blog. BUT I still support BRFC as a team and want to see us play exciting successful footy on the pitch. Let's be honest; if we had a decent level of footy and a great stadium most fans wouldn't care a jot about all that BS. As usual MM I agree with much you say. I have suggested a dedicated thread for discussion of the sort of stuff Peter Parker is on about. Sometimes its good to hear a different view. It will either convince you that you are right, or make you realize you were wrong. |
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 7:03:13 GMT
Again im not telling anyone what to talk about. I spent a long time setting this up so people could do just that. What I am trying to say is that this is a platform for debate and discussion and not a vehicle for anti board activists to plan their attacks.
I don't know if I can be any clearer than that.
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2014 7:06:36 GMT
I am sure it's aim is to not be anti-board, the overwhelming feeling in the discussion topic about it was that is exactly what it should not be as that will simply put people off.
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 7:09:30 GMT
Well we can only wait and see which way it goes I guess. Do you want a pinned thread in gas talk or prefer its own section so you can have more threads?
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2014 7:16:09 GMT
To be honest I would leave this thread in case anyone replies to my more detailed post. I am not going to go posting about the topic or past history on any other thread
I am sure the creators of the new group will contact you should they wish to post a launch update
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 7:20:38 GMT
To be honest I would leave this thread in case anyone replies to my more detailed post. I am not going to go posting about the topic or past history on any other thread I am sure the creators of the new group will contact you should they wish to post a launch update I'll sort something out. I would be lying if I said I wasn't a little apprehensive about this but a promise is a promise. You want it, you got it. I will do it after a coffee and smoke. |
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Post by RD on May 20, 2014 13:59:33 GMT
These are the sort of posts that make me less and less inclined to look at - let alone post - on the IF. So patronising and this is from a mod.
"It doesn't bother me so much if there are other forums - for me personally, there are plenty of threads that used to be on the OF and are now popping up on the other forums that I've got absolutely no interest in reading.
If they had been over here I'd have felt duty bound as an Admin to read all of them. Thanks be to other forums laugh.gif
It does sadden me a little that we're seen as being too negative, and that we bash the board too much. IMO, a lot of the negativity on here comes from bitter experience, something that some of the greener posters are lucky to have never experienced."
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Post by fanboy on May 20, 2014 14:14:19 GMT
These are the sort of posts that make me less and less inclined to look at - let alone post - on the IF. So patronising and this is from a mod. "It doesn't bother me so much if there are other forums - for me personally, there are plenty of threads that used to be on the OF and are now popping up on the other forums that I've got absolutely no interest in reading. If they had been over here I'd have felt duty bound as an Admin to read all of them. Thanks be to other forums laugh.gif It does sadden me a little that we're seen as being too negative, and that we bash the board too much. IMO, a lot of the negativity on here comes from bitter experience, something that some of the greener posters are lucky to have never experienced." Lol, forum war. |
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Post by gasheadseamge79 on May 20, 2014 14:26:01 GMT
The Independent Forum is IMO is just awful so negative talking about the same things over and over again the threads are hard to read and its so basic looking it would fit well in the 1990s and my PC keeps telling me its full of bugs and viruses. Can you even post videos and pictures on it? if you can't then what's the point in it. My main forum is not606 and I'm making this one my second  |
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2014 14:35:28 GMT
These are the sort of posts that make me less and less inclined to look at - let alone post - on the IF. So patronising and this is from a mod. "It doesn't bother me so much if there are other forums - for me personally, there are plenty of threads that used to be on the OF and are now popping up on the other forums that I've got absolutely no interest in reading. If they had been over here I'd have felt duty bound as an Admin to read all of them. Thanks be to other forums laugh.gif It does sadden me a little that we're seen as being too negative, and that we bash the board too much. IMO, a lot of the negativity on here comes from bitter experience, something that some of the greener posters are lucky to have never experienced." I think that is a tad unfair. It's a fair point that some posts (say a Joe Anyinsah jumping thread) will not appeal to some just as a board are all ***** will not appeal to some.
The last point is also fair to a degree. There are lots of younger fans now that will have little or no knowledge of what has gone before. Perhaps they don't want to know. Each to there own
The old AF and the IF does have a stigma to an extent, but it is mainly through bitter experience and perhaps have seen where we are at now coming for a while. A few posters on there (myself included to a lesser degree) have been involved at varying levels actually doing stuff for the club and got burned for saying hang on a minute things need to change and move forward. There is only so much you can do and so much bullshit from the club you can take.
Whatever anyone's thoughts on those that frequent the IF and that it may be too negative or whatever, no one is forced to read it or participate.
All I would say is if you could look back at the OF, you would see some of the problems that JTS has had to encounter trying to do great work with the FFS. That is the sort of bitter experience Strung Out was getting at.
I have cited examples above where money was turned away because of where it was coming from. Is it a suprise when some people's attitude to those that run the club become hardened when you keep being dealt that sort of thing.
Like it or not one man could do a lot in making a lot of sh** that has gone before disappear
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 14:49:35 GMT
I am sure there will be room for several forums. I still think its a shame that the opportunity to unite as one forum seems to be being missed. I hope that we attract some IF regs here sometimes as I think they will have a lot to offer.
Yes, some threads won't be to everyones taste but I hope that we show some respect and tolerance on this forum so that ALL posters feel welcome and able to post.
I have been critical of the IF on this very thread but I think its time to accept our differences. I have backed PPs call for an area on this forum for some of the IF stuff and fair play to Ras he has done it.
The time for us to be united even if its across 2 forums is long overdue and can only be achieved if we all leave our prejudices at the door.
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Post by RD on May 20, 2014 14:50:16 GMT
These are the sort of posts that make me less and less inclined to look at - let alone post - on the IF. So patronising and this is from a mod. "It doesn't bother me so much if there are other forums - for me personally, there are plenty of threads that used to be on the OF and are now popping up on the other forums that I've got absolutely no interest in reading. If they had been over here I'd have felt duty bound as an Admin to read all of them. Thanks be to other forums laugh.gif It does sadden me a little that we're seen as being too negative, and that we bash the board too much. IMO, a lot of the negativity on here comes from bitter experience, something that some of the greener posters are lucky to have never experienced." I think that is a tad unfair. It's a fair point that some posts (say a Joe Anyinsah jumping thread) will not appeal to some just as a board are all ***** will not appeal to some.
The last point is also fair to a degree. There are lots of younger fans now that will have little or no knowledge of what has gone before. Perhaps they don't want to know. Each to there own
The old AF and the IF does have a stigma to an extent, but it is mainly through bitter experience and perhaps have seen where we are at now coming for a while. A few posters on there (myself included to a lesser degree) have been involved at varying levels actually doing stuff for the club and got burned for saying hang on a minute things need to change and move forward. There is only so much you can do and so much bullshit from the club you can take.
Whatever anyone's thoughts on those that frequent the IF and that it may be too negative or whatever, no one is forced to read it or participate.
All I would say is if you could look back at the OF, you would see some of the problems that JTS has had to encounter trying to do great work with the FFS. That is the sort of bitter experience Strung Out was getting at.
I have cited examples above where money was turned away because of where it was coming from. Is it a suprise when some people's attitude to those that run the club become hardened when you keep being dealt that sort of thing.
Like it or not one man could do a lot in making a lot of sh** that has gone before disappear
I'm not saying I think the board are doing a good job and I'm certainly not suggesting that the people on the IF don't care etc. But the post I posted is EXACTLY the reason most people that are posting here are doing so rather than the IF. If the people over on the IF want one forum that we all share and can feel comfortable about doing so then there shouldn't be posts depicting the situation as an "us and them" scenario. It's no wonder many "refugees" didn't feel at home is all I'm saying. As a mod of the IF, given the preaching some have done in regards to having one big family sharing one forum, you'd have thought that they'd be doing all they can to show we're no different; not taking the water out of posts from the OF and stating that anyone who doesn't want to spend their life slating the BoD are obviously just greener/younger/have not been a Rovers fan for long enough to have seen the light. All I'm saying is that if the IF want to promote a "let's be one big family" image they could certainly do a much better job of doing so. |
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Post by peterparker on May 20, 2014 15:24:23 GMT
Firstly I would say it needs to be clear that the independent SC, although born from ideas on the IF is not the IF. If it were then it won’t get very far from the off, so I hope people take time to read whatever they put out before dismissing it
RD, I agree it could have been handled better. I even pulled up a couple on it the other day as I say and that was in relation to a poster who has been on there years.
I don’t think it helps when the BEP wrote bolloxs like the unprecedented removal of the clubs forum as the original AF was set up when the exact same thing happened back in 2006 and I think to some degree many of us on there thought “Here we go again” , However this time I don’t think an Official forum is ever coming back unless the powers that been get paranoid (remain paranoid) and can’t cope monitoring more forums that they have no control over and believe me the will be monitored. (I think the ultimate irony to many on the IF is the club banned a fan (ex director or not) for being overly critical of the club and now the club talk of mistakes (again) and a complete review of the club)
Even without the negativity on the IF, there is I think it’s fair to say a different style of debate. That doesn’t mean the IF or this forum is better or worse, but the two fora just have a different vibe and perhaps the two could never exist as one, but that doesn’t mean they cannot exist alongside each other and that they cannot both feed into other things like JTS and the FFSC or BRISA or just an inter-forum drinking contest.
At the end of the day remember this is not the real world. I have argued with ZFC for years on various things and often quite strongly, but I know Shane and we could sit in the pub and have a proper chat with none of the internet bullishness
Peace and Love and whatever you smoke
Sprout
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Post by RD on May 20, 2014 15:45:11 GMT
Firstly I would say it needs to be clear that the independent SC, although born from ideas on the IF is not the IF. If it were then it won’t get very far from the off, so I hope people take time to read whatever they put out before dismissing it RD, I agree it could have been handled better. I even pulled up a couple on it the other day as I say and that was in relation to a poster who has been on there years. I don’t think it helps when the BEP wrote bolloxs like the unprecedented removal of the clubs forum as the original AF was set up when the exact same thing happened back in 2006 and I think to some degree many of us on there thought “Here we go again” , However this time I don’t think an Official forum is ever coming back unless the powers that been get paranoid (remain paranoid) and can’t cope monitoring more forums that they have no control over and believe me the will be monitored. (I think the ultimate irony to many on the IF is the club banned a fan (ex director or not) for being overly critical of the club and now the club talk of mistakes (again) and a complete review of the club) Even without the negativity on the IF, there is I think it’s fair to say a different style of debate. That doesn’t mean the IF or this forum is better or worse, but the two fora just have a different vibe and perhaps the two could never exist as one, but that doesn’t mean they cannot exist alongside each other and that they cannot both feed into other things like JTS and the FFSC or BRISA or just an inter-forum drinking contest. At the end of the day remember this is not the real world. I have argued with ZFC for years on various things and often quite strongly, but I know Shane and we could sit in the pub and have a proper chat with none of the internet bullishness Peace and Love and whatever you smoke Sprout Good post Sprout. Perhaps I was being a tad harsh. Fair points well made. |
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Post by wsmjohn on May 20, 2014 20:37:07 GMT
A voice at last
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 20:42:51 GMT
welcome on board wsmjohn. Hope you can make a home here. Ill put the kettle on. |
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 20:43:30 GMT
Hugo put the kettle on for our new guest
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2014 20:46:00 GMT
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Post by Hugo Admin on May 20, 2014 20:50:16 GMT
Very good.
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