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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 17, 2018 7:01:42 GMT
I don't agree.
I'm pretty left leaning but I won't be voting Labour.
I think we will see a coalition with a rise in independent MPs.
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 17, 2018 8:38:16 GMT
Its clear to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that we will see a left wing labour government at the next election. Will they be able to create a fairer society with more equal opportunity and less social injustice? Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 17, 2018 8:38:36 GMT
I think JC has had his opportunity at the last election as it seems the worry of Momentum infiltrating the NEC is starting to happen. The last manifesto was quite thought through and balanced, although I did have concerns over the cost of some things, such as renationalising the utilities.
The belief that TM would walk it allowed many to vote for central parties which is why the Lib Dems did better, and many stayed home. Next time, I think the Conservative vote will be higher and we could see a Conservative majority. As someone who has never voted Tory, I worry that they are slightly less bad than the alternative.
You don't win elections by targeting the far left or far right but by winning over the middle ground.
I also don't think that TM will be there next time either, unless things take a remarkable twist. She is there to do Brexit (useful as she can be blamed if it fails) and then hand over the baton to someone else, possibly in 2020 for an election in 2021. The Conservatives won't commit electoral suicide by changing her now short of a catastrophe.
Watch out for someone like David Liddington or more likely a current junior minister being moved around departments regularly to get a breadth of experience.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 11:16:50 GMT
Its clear to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that we will see a left wing labour government at the next election. Will they be able to create a fairer society with more equal opportunity and less social injustice? Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. Better than the right wing Thatcher led Tories did, families losing their homes and 5 million out of work. They never moaned how much unemployed people were costing the country then. Roll on Jezzers Britain. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 17, 2018 12:41:31 GMT
Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. Better than the right wing Thatcher led Tories did, families losing their homes and 5 million out of work. No matter how bad things were in the 80s under Mrs Thatcher, the people voted for her on three successive occasions. Their memories were still fresh with the lunacy that a hard left Labour party had inflicted on the country, and wanted no more of it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 18:53:20 GMT
A sign of the world going mad and communism raising its ugly head is the belief that an outdated terrorist loving lawbreaker is their only hope to improve a sad life.
Tell people what they want to hear and they will believe!
Jesus Christ, Jeremy Corbyn the saviour of the bitter and jealous. Give me strength.
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Post by aghast on Jan 17, 2018 20:46:28 GMT
Communism? What's that then? Someone's living in the 1980s.
Many young people today clearly favour a more left wing approach to things, and definitely don't want to hurtle towards Brexit.
I see a change in society and politics as the old (literally) guard are replaced by new younger voters.
I think we might be heading for a Liberal Democrat type model, where the left form a significant minority and the right are marginalised.
Give it ten years maybe.
Such a shame Nick Clegg lumped into bed with the Tories, just before his real time was coming, and then got spanked for his efforts. Silly boy.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 17, 2018 21:48:24 GMT
Communism? What's that then? Someone's living in the 1980s. Many young people today clearly favour a more left wing approach to things, and definitely don't want to hurtle towards Brexit. I see a change in society and politics as the old (literally) guard are replaced by new younger voters. I think we might be heading for a Liberal Democrat type model, where the left form a significant minority and the right are marginalised. Give it ten years maybe. Such a shame Nick Clegg lumped into bed with the Tories, just before his real time was coming, and then got spanked for his efforts. Silly boy. Absolute political suicide. Such a shame. Clegg single handedly killed the Lib Dems. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 18, 2018 8:17:10 GMT
Communism? What's that then? Someone's living in the 1980s. Many young people today clearly favour a more left wing approach to things, and definitely don't want to hurtle towards Brexit. I see a change in society and politics as the old (literally) guard are replaced by new younger voters. I think we might be heading for a Liberal Democrat type model, where the left form a significant minority and the right are marginalised. Give it ten years maybe. Such a shame Nick Clegg lumped into bed with the Tories, just before his real time was coming, and then got spanked for his efforts. Silly boy. As a Liberal Democrat, he probably enjoyed a good spanking. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 0:34:50 GMT
Its clear to anyone with an ounce of intelligence that we will see a left wing labour government at the next election. Will they be able to create a fairer society with more equal opportunity and less social injustice? Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 8:09:00 GMT
Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. Post war meaning the Blair and Brown governments which brought this country to its knees and were the EU whipping boys! You actually want to talk about these governments or do they not count, primarily for what they did and what a lawless shithole infestation this country has become due to their time in government? |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 19, 2018 8:29:44 GMT
Like the last left wing government in the 1970s, did? Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knows the answer to that. Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. Maybe it could. But Corbyn isn`t representative of the Labour party since it was formed. He`s hard left; even more so than Benn, Foot and the other lunatics who "ran" the country in the 70s. I tell you this, Bluebutterfly, the youth of today may well elect a hard left government at the next election. But it`ll be another 40 years before they do it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 11:00:53 GMT
Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. Post war meaning the Blair and Brown governments which brought this country to its knees and were the EU whipping boys! You actually want to talk about these governments or do they not count, primarily for what they did and what a lawless shithole infestation this country has become due to their time in government? No i was thinking of the atlee government and wilsons longer term in office. The blair government was simply a tory one with a labour badge on it. Ref lawless,its thatcher that closed down all our industry and created mass unemployment and generations that have never worked. |
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Post by baggins on Jan 19, 2018 12:20:59 GMT
Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. Post war meaning the Blair and Brown governments which brought this country to its knees and were the EU whipping boys! You actually want to talk about these governments or do they not count, primarily for what they did and what a lawless shithole infestation this country has become due to their time in government? And 8 years Tory rule has achieved what exactly? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:14:41 GMT
Post war meaning the Blair and Brown governments which brought this country to its knees and were the EU whipping boys! You actually want to talk about these governments or do they not count, primarily for what they did and what a lawless shithole infestation this country has become due to their time in government? No i was thinking of the atlee government and wilsons longer term in office. The blair government was simply a tory one with a labour badge on it. Ref lawless,its thatcher that closed down all our industry and created mass unemployment and generations that have never worked. I thought you would conveniently chose to ignore the LABOUR years under those two liabilities. Throw the next incompetent into the fore, David Cameron, and the demise was inevitable. What are you rumbling on about the Thatcher years for? It was under Blair and Brown that this country was flooded to the brink and still is with Europe’s dregs. To add to the ridicule, Teresa May just hands over another £400 million to the French to help keep the hordes at bay still. The Country is irreparable, no matter who gains power in the next election. 20 years of incompetent Prime ministers have seen to that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:18:25 GMT
Post war meaning the Blair and Brown governments which brought this country to its knees and were the EU whipping boys! You actually want to talk about these governments or do they not count, primarily for what they did and what a lawless shithole infestation this country has become due to their time in government? And 8 years Tory rule has achieved what exactly? Bugger all Baggins , bugger all that’s what. This country will never recover from the Blair and Brown years and not even Jeremy ‘ you won’t pay tuition fees under me’ Corbyn will right their wrongs with his new modern army. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:34:36 GMT
Maybe a more balanced view could be achieved with more research on the whole labour movement and the other governments labour had post war instead of a narrow focus on the short time callaghan was pm. Maybe it could. But Corbyn isn`t representative of the Labour party since it was formed. He`s hard left; even more so than Benn, Foot and the other lunatics who "ran" the country in the 70s. I tell you this, Bluebutterfly, the youth of today may well elect a hard left government at the next election. But it`ll be another 40 years before they do it again. Its almost as if youve been reading a murdoch newspaper for years and believe what they write is true. |
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Post by aghast on Jan 19, 2018 20:41:34 GMT
No i was thinking of the atlee government and wilsons longer term in office. The blair government was simply a tory one with a labour badge on it. Ref lawless,its thatcher that closed down all our industry and created mass unemployment and generations that have never worked. I thought you would conveniently chose to ignore the LABOUR years under those two liabilities. Throw the next incompetent into the fore, David Cameron, and the demise was inevitable. What are you rumbling on about the Thatcher years for? It was under Blair and Brown that this country was flooded to the brink a nd still is with Europe’s dregs.To add to the ridicule, Teresa May just hands over another £400 million to the French to help keep the hordes at bay still. The Country is irreparable, no matter who gains power in the next election. 20 years of incompetent Prime ministers have seen to that. Presumably you're talking about the 20 or so Eastern European beggars you see on the streets, and not the hundreds of thousands of doctors, nurses, plumbers, bar staff, waitresses, fruit pickers and shop owners who work hard and claim no benefits. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 0:28:18 GMT
No i was thinking of the atlee government and wilsons longer term in office. The blair government was simply a tory one with a labour badge on it. Ref lawless,its thatcher that closed down all our industry and created mass unemployment and generations that have never worked. I thought you would conveniently chose to ignore the LABOUR years under those two liabilities. Throw the next incompetent into the fore, David Cameron, and the demise was inevitable. What are you rumbling on about the Thatcher years for? It was under Blair and Brown that this country was flooded to the brink and still is with Europe’s dregs. To add to the ridicule, Teresa May just hands over another £400 million to the French to help keep the hordes at bay still. The Country is irreparable, no matter who gains power in the next election. 20 years of incompetent Prime ministers have seen to that. Sorry silly me i though the "lawless" reference was about unemployment on a massive scale introduced by thatcher and turning communities into hopeless wastelands while the good old boys of finance made millions. I wasnt conveniently ignoring the blair years which on paper were labours most successful its just that i believe in socialism and a proper labour party not the vile blair governments,he was just thatcher with a smile. "Europe"s dregs" I just see people from poland,hungary,slovakia etc that want to work,my issue with immigration is big companies exploiting the labour to drive terms of employment and wages down with all the help they need from this tory government. |
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Post by William Wilson on Jan 20, 2018 7:29:26 GMT
I thought you would conveniently chose to ignore the LABOUR years under those two liabilities. Throw the next incompetent into the fore, David Cameron, and the demise was inevitable. What are you rumbling on about the Thatcher years for? It was under Blair and Brown that this country was flooded to the brink and still is with Europe’s dregs. To add to the ridicule, Teresa May just hands over another £400 million to the French to help keep the hordes at bay still. The Country is irreparable, no matter who gains power in the next election. 20 years of incompetent Prime ministers have seen to that. Sorry silly me i though the "lawless" reference was about unemployment on a massive scale introduced by thatcher and turning communities into hopeless wastelands while the good old boys of finance made millions. I wasnt conveniently ignoring the blair years which on paper were labours most successful its just that i believe in socialism and a proper labour party not the vile blair governments,he was just thatcher with a smile. "Europe"s dregs" I just see people from poland,hungary,slovakia etc that want to work,my issue with immigration is big companies exploiting the labour to drive terms of employment and wages down with all the help they need from this tory government. There`s a bloke I work with, who deeply resents having to pay his dentist for services that the unemployed get for nothing. I think you should have a word with him, Mr Butterfly, and explain to him how wrong he is, and how this is how socialism works. |
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