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Post by singupgas on Jan 10, 2018 11:38:16 GMT
Sercombe the only player who has really made an impact on the side.
Nicholls could be a fox in the box player, well we we need to look at bring in better players in the midfield then that can break defences down. You would think planning wise, if you spend that much on a strike at this level there would also be intention to build midfield to suit. Sercs the only player i would not replace.
Bola is another player i rate, good with the ball and has some pace - exactly what we need. Would be good to see him play out wide in front of Lee Brown. Would also cover for Lee Browns lack of pace.
Menayese should be given another chance, took part in a side that won 6 nil and has not been seen since, why not give him a run with Broadbent who has been playing well and also can imagine he is bit of a leader.
Both keepers are good enough for league 1.
Telford not given a chance either really, we are wasting the guys time.
Sweeney has been average, not reached performance he did last season.
DC needs help identifying players, but obviously board need to want to add a DoF - someone with contacts. Why cant we pick up high performing players from conference and league 2?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 12:09:10 GMT
You are failing to look at what we needed. Some promising youngsters, yes. One decent midfielder. Agreed. A keeper. Ok. Wingers? Nope. A defensive midfielder? Nope. A goal scorer? Nope. Our summer recruitment was poor. Still not sure if it was lack of funds (we seemed to just suddenly stop sending half way through) or if DC just completely messed up the window. Dc did say he wanted a left winger pre-season but plenty of teams dont even play with wingers. Harry kane has scored god knows how many goals without a winger in sight and quite a few league 1 teams havnt played with them at the mem this season.
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Post by markczgas on Jan 10, 2018 12:35:50 GMT
Look we are all gasheads and when these fakes took over we all thought new ground no selling the best players money for new players but none of that's going to happen we are no better off than we were under Higgs and co but at least they are gasheads and supported the club,these fakes don't care about football or the fans they only look for making money imo they thought they could buy uwe over the stadium and make hay but the uwe ain't stupid so stood firm. DC knows more than he's allowed too let on but he's the manager and in any job he's got to take the flack,he's a good manager but needs to ask for help instead of trying to do it all himself don't you think? I think you're failing to see the overall picture. Yes you've mentioned the things that we are all watered Off about but you haven't mentioned : DC on a 5 -year contract The setting up of a Development Squad run by an excellent coach in Chris Hargreaves. Players coming through the dev Squad - The German, Dunwald, young Hargreaves and Meyanese - have made their debuts and made a good account of themselves ( apparently). The buying of land for the training ground - there will be training pitches there (eventually )
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2018 12:56:20 GMT
Sercombe the only player who has really made an impact on the side. Nicholls could be a fox in the box player, well we we need to look at bring in better players in the midfield then that can break defences down. You would think planning wise, if you spend that much on a strike at this level there would also be intention to build midfield to suit. Sercs the only player i would not replace. Bola is another player i rate, good with the ball and has some pace - exactly what we need. Would be good to see him play out wide in front of Lee Brown. Would also cover for Lee Browns lack of pace. Menayese should be given another chance, took part in a side that won 6 nil and has not been seen since, why not give him a run with Broadbent who has been playing well and also can imagine he is bit of a leader. Both keepers are good enough for league 1. Telford not given a chance either really, we are wasting the guys time. Sweeney has been average, not reached performance he did last season. DC needs help identifying players, but obviously board need to want to add a DoF - someone with contacts. Why cant we pick up high performing players from conference and league 2? Dover wanted £250K for Ricky Miller last January and I assume he wanted decent wages, what was the better bet TN who'd scored 10 goals in Div 1 last season or a player whose never previously made it at this level?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 16:29:22 GMT
Firstly. This is a Bristol Rovers era where the average league position has been 73rd . (from 99/2000 season inc.). Which is about 5th in league two. So you have to remember the club running and finances have been formed over that 18 years based on that being the level for the club on average.
The previous 18 seasons saw the club average about 51st position or roughly 7th in league one.
That's a whole division higher on average. So that's 18 years to gradually accumulate a league one top end squad.
If you think of the squad now ,they could easily achieve their average position of 5th in league two.
Its going to take time to get the whole club back to the standard of top end league one. The better the squad you have the better the quality of player that joins the club.
For the modern era for all intents and purposes Bristol Rovers are a league two club ,that's going through a good patch.
Where the club were 40 or 50 or 60 or 70 years ago is not relevant (except in the memories of the older fans)
Bristol Rovers are a league two CLUB.
The aim will to go up a notch and reclaim those past days by becoming a league One CLUB again.
As far as average attendances go Rovers have nearly every season had their seasonal average rating higher up the charts than their league position. So the rants and raves of we get 10,000 for a game so we should do better is pretty much rubbish as this has always been the case at Rovers and to point a finger at current or previous owners is folly. Its just the way it is at Bristol Rovers you should be used to it by now.
All the players signed in the summer were fine ,they built on a conference level squad.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 10, 2018 16:30:46 GMT
Sercombe the only player who has really made an impact on the side. Nicholls could be a fox in the box player, well we we need to look at bring in better players in the midfield then that can break defences down. You would think planning wise, if you spend that much on a strike at this level there would also be intention to build midfield to suit. Sercs the only player i would not replace. Bola is another player i rate, good with the ball and has some pace - exactly what we need. Would be good to see him play out wide in front of Lee Brown. Would also cover for Lee Browns lack of pace. Menayese should be given another chance, took part in a side that won 6 nil and has not been seen since, why not give him a run with Broadbent who has been playing well and also can imagine he is bit of a leader. Both keepers are good enough for league 1. Telford not given a chance either really, we are wasting the guys time. Sweeney has been average, not reached performance he did last season. DC needs help identifying players, but obviously board need to want to add a DoF - someone with contacts. Why cant we pick up high performing players from conference and league 2? Dover wanted £250K for Ricky Miller last January and I assume he wanted decent wages, what was the better bet TN who'd scored 10 goals in Div 1 last season or a player whose never previously made it at this level? Jack Marriott from league 2.
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2018 17:51:46 GMT
Dover wanted £250K for Ricky Miller last January and I assume he wanted decent wages, what was the better bet TN who'd scored 10 goals in Div 1 last season or a player whose never previously made it at this level? Jack Marriott from league 2. Scored 12 goals last season for Luton, clearly Posh knew something DC didn't regarding TN but there's nothing to suggest he'd have such a good season, I guess just like MT & BB for us in the recent past.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 17:53:48 GMT
Look we are all gasheads and when these fakes took over we all thought new ground no selling the best players money for new players but none of that's going to happen we are no better off than we were under Higgs and co but at least they are gasheads and supported the club,these fakes don't care about football or the fans they only look for making money imo they thought they could buy uwe over the stadium and make hay but the uwe ain't stupid so stood firm. DC knows more than he's allowed too let on but he's the manager and in any job he's got to take the flack,he's a good manager but needs to ask for help instead of trying to do it all himself don't you think? I think you're failing to see the overall picture. Yes you've mentioned the things that we are all watered Off about but you haven't mentioned : DC on a 5 -year contract The setting up of a Development Squad run by an excellent coach in Chris Hargreaves. Players coming through the dev Squad - The German, Dunwald, young Hargreaves and Meyanese - have made their debuts and made a good account of themselves ( apparently). The buying of land for the training ground - there will be training pitches there (eventually ) Should've been a 2/3 contract Development squad not so sure until players from that squad make the first team weekly and prove themselves training ground believe it when up and running Hargreaves good addition would like too see him match days DC'S number 2
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Post by bluestone on Jan 10, 2018 18:36:52 GMT
Firstly. This is a Bristol Rovers era where the average league position has been 73rd . (from 99/2000 season inc.). Which is about 5th in league two. So you have to remember the club running and finances have been formed over that 18 years based on that being the level for the club on average. The previous 18 seasons saw the club average about 51st position or roughly 7th in league one. That's a whole division higher on average. So that's 18 years to gradually accumulate a league one top end squad. If you think of the squad now ,they could easily achieve their average position of 5th in league two. Its going to take time to get the whole club back to the standard of top end league one. The better the squad you have the better the quality of player that joins the club. For the modern era for all intents and purposes Bristol Rovers are a league two club ,that's going through a good patch. Where the club were 40 or 50 or 60 or 70 years ago is not relevant (except in the memories of the older fans) Bristol Rovers are a league two CLUB. The aim will to go up a notch and reclaim those past days by becoming a league One CLUB again. As far as average attendances go Rovers have nearly every season had their seasonal average rating higher up the charts than their league position. So the rants and raves of we get 10,000 for a game so we should do better is pretty much rubbish as this has always been the case at Rovers and to point a finger at current or previous owners is folly. Its just the way it is at Bristol Rovers you should be used to it by now. All the players signed in the summer were fine ,they built on a conference level squad. Excellent points. I would add to this by saying if we are being really honest with ourselves we are well ahead of where we thought we would be following our relegation from the football league. It was a surprise that we came straight back up and even more of a surprise that we then went straight up to L1. We do need to put things into perspective to understand where we are, what needs to be done to bring us up to a decent standard and we need to be realistic how long it might take. UTG!
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2018 18:55:35 GMT
Jack Marriott from league 2. Scored 12 goals last season for Luton, clearly Posh knew something DC didn't regarding TN but there's nothing to suggest he'd have such a good season, I guess just like MT & BB for us in the recent past. Jack Marriott has been highly-rated and a natural goalscorer since his prolific days in the Ipswich youth team where he scored 26 in his latter days there and was described by team-mate David McGoldrick as "a goalscorer, a poacher" and "like a young Michael Owen. He just wants to score goals." Peterborough United have rejected bids from three different Championship clubs this week for star striker Jack Marriott HITC have reported that a bid of £3.5m has been rejected, as well as two £4m bids from different Championship sides. the72.co.uk/96465/peterborough-united-reject-bids-three-unnamed-championship-sides-star-striker/
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Post by gasify on Jan 10, 2018 19:00:56 GMT
Sercombe the only player who has really made an impact on the side. Nicholls could be a fox in the box player, well we we need to look at bring in better players in the midfield then that can break defences down. You would think planning wise, if you spend that much on a strike at this level there would also be intention to build midfield to suit. Sercs the only player i would not replace. Bola is another player i rate, good with the ball and has some pace - exactly what we need. Would be good to see him play out wide in front of Lee Brown. Would also cover for Lee Browns lack of pace. Menayese should be given another chance, took part in a side that won 6 nil and has not been seen since, why not give him a run with Broadbent who has been playing well and also can imagine he is bit of a leader. Both keepers are good enough for league 1. Telford not given a chance either really, we are wasting the guys time. Sweeney has been average, not reached performance he did last season. DC needs help identifying players, but obviously board need to want to add a DoF - someone with contacts. Why cant we pick up high performing players from conference and league 2?
DC, let me introduce you to Pirate......... Unless Pirate is DC....? Never been seen on the same forum.....
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2018 19:36:07 GMT
Sercombe the only player who has really made an impact on the side. Nicholls could be a fox in the box player, well we we need to look at bring in better players in the midfield then that can break defences down. You would think planning wise, if you spend that much on a strike at this level there would also be intention to build midfield to suit. Sercs the only player i would not replace. Bola is another player i rate, good with the ball and has some pace - exactly what we need. Would be good to see him play out wide in front of Lee Brown. Would also cover for Lee Browns lack of pace. Menayese should be given another chance, took part in a side that won 6 nil and has not been seen since, why not give him a run with Broadbent who has been playing well and also can imagine he is bit of a leader. Both keepers are good enough for league 1. Telford not given a chance either really, we are wasting the guys time. Sweeney has been average, not reached performance he did last season. DC needs help identifying players, but obviously board need to want to add a DoF - someone with contacts. Why cant we pick up high performing players from conference and league 2?
DC, let me introduce you to Pirate......... Unless Pirate is DC....? Never been seen on the same forum..... Couldn't afford my wages!
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 10, 2018 21:25:44 GMT
Scored 12 goals last season for Luton, clearly Posh knew something DC didn't regarding TN but there's nothing to suggest he'd have such a good season, I guess just like MT & BB for us in the recent past. Jack Marriott has been highly-rated and a natural goalscorer since his prolific days in the Ipswich youth team where he scored 26 in his latter days there and was described by team-mate David McGoldrick as "a goalscorer, a poacher" and "like a young Michael Owen. He just wants to score goals." Peterborough United have rejected bids from three different Championship clubs this week for star striker Jack Marriott HITC have reported that a bid of £3.5m has been rejected, as well as two £4m bids from different Championship sides. the72.co.uk/96465/peterborough-united-reject-bids-three-unnamed-championship-sides-star-striker/JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons.
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Post by pirate on Jan 10, 2018 21:31:02 GMT
Jack Marriott has been highly-rated and a natural goalscorer since his prolific days in the Ipswich youth team where he scored 26 in his latter days there and was described by team-mate David McGoldrick as "a goalscorer, a poacher" and "like a young Michael Owen. He just wants to score goals." Peterborough United have rejected bids from three different Championship clubs this week for star striker Jack Marriott HITC have reported that a bid of £3.5m has been rejected, as well as two £4m bids from different Championship sides. the72.co.uk/96465/peterborough-united-reject-bids-three-unnamed-championship-sides-star-striker/JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons. Annoying, isn't it?!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2018 21:56:22 GMT
Jack Marriott has been highly-rated and a natural goalscorer since his prolific days in the Ipswich youth team where he scored 26 in his latter days there and was described by team-mate David McGoldrick as "a goalscorer, a poacher" and "like a young Michael Owen. He just wants to score goals." Peterborough United have rejected bids from three different Championship clubs this week for star striker Jack Marriott HITC have reported that a bid of £3.5m has been rejected, as well as two £4m bids from different Championship sides. the72.co.uk/96465/peterborough-united-reject-bids-three-unnamed-championship-sides-star-striker/JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons. JM under contract post this season for another 2 years, BB out of contract this summer. We offered a number of new contracts but he didn't sign them. If BB had 2 more years left I reckon he'd be a £5m fee..... And before its argued why did we only offer 2 years last time, if we'd offered 3 or 4 years and he was having a poor season, we'd be moaning about having offered such a long contract.... Whilst not itk - I believe we got more than £400k - I think it was more like £600k to £750k with a15-20% sell on clause which could be substantial,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 0:19:14 GMT
Dover wanted £250K for Ricky Miller last January and I assume he wanted decent wages, what was the better bet TN who'd scored 10 goals in Div 1 last season or a player whose never previously made it at this level? Jack Marriott from league 2. Most reports suggest marriott cost £450-500k plus its likely imo that peterbro pay better wages than us. Right now nichols looks a poor signing but it dosnt mean we could have afforded marriott in terms of fee paid or salary. Pirate made a list of about 8 strikers who he felt made more sense than nichols either before the season or early in the season. Thing is its easy to pick the striker that has scored goals and conveniently forget the ones who havnt done so well.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 0:24:44 GMT
I think you're failing to see the overall picture. Yes you've mentioned the things that we are all watered Off about but you haven't mentioned : DC on a 5 -year contract The setting up of a Development Squad run by an excellent coach in Chris Hargreaves. Players coming through the dev Squad - The German, Dunwald, young Hargreaves and Meyanese - have made their debuts and made a good account of themselves ( apparently). The buying of land for the training ground - there will be training pitches there (eventually ) Should've been a 2/3 contract Development squad not so sure until players from that squad make the first team weekly and prove themselves training ground believe it when up and running Hargreaves good addition would like too see him match days DC'S number 2 Marcus is assistant manager though? Hargreaves is doing a good job where he is. What are you basing your "hargreaves good addition" comment on?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 11, 2018 2:10:47 GMT
Should've been a 2/3 contract Development squad not so sure until players from that squad make the first team weekly and prove themselves training ground believe it when up and running Hargreaves good addition would like too see him match days DC'S number 2 Marcus is assistant manager though? Hargreaves is doing a good job where he is. What are you basing your "hargreaves good addition" comment on? Exactly, and the development squad (and training ground) will have a natural time lag due to the nature of finding players and moving them through. Could be a couple of seasons before these really start producing regular first team players.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 7:24:40 GMT
Should've been a 2/3 contract Development squad not so sure until players from that squad make the first team weekly and prove themselves training ground believe it when up and running Hargreaves good addition would like too see him match days DC'S number 2 Marcus is assistant manager though? Hargreaves is doing a good job where he is. What are you basing your "hargreaves good addition" comment on? I think Hargreaves got more experience than Marcus at managerial level and we could benefit more at first team level with Hargreaves being alongside DC. Hargreaves doing a good job you say who's breaking into the first team? Marcus ain't cut out for the role he's doing imo.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jan 11, 2018 7:52:29 GMT
Jack Marriott from league 2. Most reports suggest marriott cost £450-500k plus its likely imo that peterbro pay better wages than us. Right now nichols looks a poor signing but it dosnt mean we could have afforded marriott in terms of fee paid or salary. Pirate made a list of about 8 strikers who he felt made more sense than nichols either before the season or early in the season. Thing is its easy to pick the striker that has scored goals and conveniently forget the ones who havnt done so well. It's also easy to pick the ones that haven't done well like Topper did.
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