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Post by WeAreTheGas on Jan 11, 2018 7:56:21 GMT
Jack Marriott has been highly-rated and a natural goalscorer since his prolific days in the Ipswich youth team where he scored 26 in his latter days there and was described by team-mate David McGoldrick as "a goalscorer, a poacher" and "like a young Michael Owen. He just wants to score goals." Peterborough United have rejected bids from three different Championship clubs this week for star striker Jack Marriott HITC have reported that a bid of £3.5m has been rejected, as well as two £4m bids from different Championship sides. the72.co.uk/96465/peterborough-united-reject-bids-three-unnamed-championship-sides-star-striker/JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons. That could be viewed another way, though. Peterborough signed a player and yes, will get very good £ for him, but they’ll only have had 6 months of football out of him if he goes this month. We signed two players who were at the club for 2+ years, scored 96 goals between them, won us two promotions, and who still went on to make us a £700k+ profit. As a fan, I’ll take the years of goals and promotions over the club receiving a good fee. (That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the Posh business model though. They do what they do very well. But they do it well because their recruitment from the lower leagues has been fantastic for a number of years, and they seem to be able to easily replace those players they sell on. I wouldn’t trust us to replace them well enough)
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 11, 2018 8:17:40 GMT
JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons. JM under contract post this season for another 2 years, BB out of contract this summer. We offered a number of new contracts but he didn't sign them. If BB had 2 more years left I reckon he'd be a £5m fee..... And before its argued why did we only offer 2 years last time, if we'd offered 3 or 4 years and he was having a poor season, we'd be moaning about having offered such a long contract.... Whilst not itk - I believe we got more than £400k - I think it was more like £600k to £750k with a15-20% sell on clause which could be substantial, This is my argument, Billy should of been given a better contract sooner, hindsight I know, but it didn't take a rocket scientist, to know he was a decent player
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Post by Topper Gas on Jan 11, 2018 8:19:18 GMT
JM potentially goes for £4m after just half a decent season in Div 1 whereas we lost BB for £400K after two brilliant seasons. That could be viewed another way, though. Peterborough signed a player and yes, will get very good £ for him, but they’ll only have had 6 months of football out of him if he goes this month. We signed two players who were at the club for 2+ years, scored 96 goals between them, won us two promotions, and who still went on to make us a £700k+ profit. As a fan, I’ll take the years of goals and promotions over the club receiving a good fee. (That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the Posh business model though. They do what they do very well. But they do it well because their recruitment from the lower leagues has been fantastic for a number of years, and they seem to be able to easily replace those players they sell on. I wouldn’t trust us to replace them well enough) Would have been nice though if we had 2+ years out of them plus a decent transfer fee when they left! The Posh model is clearly investing big money in lower/non league players so they can then take the odd Nichols/Miller failure on the chin.
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Post by Antonio Fargas on Jan 11, 2018 9:21:31 GMT
That could be viewed another way, though. Peterborough signed a player and yes, will get very good £ for him, but they’ll only have had 6 months of football out of him if he goes this month. We signed two players who were at the club for 2+ years, scored 96 goals between them, won us two promotions, and who still went on to make us a £700k+ profit. As a fan, I’ll take the years of goals and promotions over the club receiving a good fee. (That’s not to say I don’t appreciate the Posh business model though. They do what they do very well. But they do it well because their recruitment from the lower leagues has been fantastic for a number of years, and they seem to be able to easily replace those players they sell on. I wouldn’t trust us to replace them well enough) Would have been nice though if we had 2+ years out of them plus a decent transfer fee when they left! The Posh model is clearly investing big money in lower/non league players so they can then take the odd Nichols/Miller failure on the chin. Yeah, I think they also like to get rid of them quickly, too, even if it's not so good for the team. Istm they're about making a profit first and getting a team out second. Probably a bit frustrating for the fans, knowing that they've made all that money, had all those decent players, etc, but essentially, as a team, they're still (more or less) mid table L1, like us. They're held up as a decent model, but if you look at their record since they got relegated, it's been just a slow decline down League 1. No one here would have been happy with that, istm.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 11:22:10 GMT
Marcus is assistant manager though? Hargreaves is doing a good job where he is. What are you basing your "hargreaves good addition" comment on? I think Hargreaves got more experience than Marcus at managerial level and we could benefit more at first team level with Hargreaves being alongside DC. Hargreaves doing a good job you say who's breaking into the first team? Marcus ain't cut out for the role he's doing imo. This is the development squads 1st season though and several players have appeared in the first team already. Marcus and dc have been together a long time in football terms and had lots of success. Why do you think hes not cut out for the job hes doing?
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Post by philbemmygas on Jan 11, 2018 12:24:32 GMT
JM under contract post this season for another 2 years, BB out of contract this summer. We offered a number of new contracts but he didn't sign them. If BB had 2 more years left I reckon he'd be a £5m fee..... And before its argued why did we only offer 2 years last time, if we'd offered 3 or 4 years and he was having a poor season, we'd be moaning about having offered such a long contract.... Whilst not itk - I believe we got more than £400k - I think it was more like £600k to £750k with a15-20% sell on clause which could be substantial, This is my argument, Billy should of been given a better contract sooner, hindsight I know, but it didn't take a rocket scientist, to know he was a decent player They have confirmed he was offered a contract (possibly several revisions), apart from hold a gun to his head. What more could they have done?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 12:38:37 GMT
JM under contract post this season for another 2 years, BB out of contract this summer. We offered a number of new contracts but he didn't sign them. If BB had 2 more years left I reckon he'd be a £5m fee..... And before its argued why did we only offer 2 years last time, if we'd offered 3 or 4 years and he was having a poor season, we'd be moaning about having offered such a long contract.... Whilst not itk - I believe we got more than £400k - I think it was more like £600k to £750k with a15-20% sell on clause which could be substantial, This is my argument, Billy should of been given a better contract sooner, hindsight I know, but it didn't take a rocket scientist, to know he was a decent player Did you post that when billy signed his 2 year deal after a good 2nd half of the season in league 2? A good 6 months after recovering from a serious injury i mean. The truth is 2 years made perfect sense at the time.
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 11, 2018 14:50:53 GMT
This is my argument, Billy should of been given a better contract sooner, hindsight I know, but it didn't take a rocket scientist, to know he was a decent player Did you post that when billy signed his 2 year deal after a good 2nd half of the season in league 2? A good 6 months after recovering from a serious injury i mean. The truth is 2 years made perfect sense at the time. good point, but surely a year in, improve it. It's proved over the last few years, were waiting too long for improved offers, to our better players
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 7:05:28 GMT
Did you post that when billy signed his 2 year deal after a good 2nd half of the season in league 2? A good 6 months after recovering from a serious injury i mean. The truth is 2 years made perfect sense at the time. good point, but surely a year in, improve it. It's proved over the last few years, were waiting too long for improved offers, to our better players But a year in we did try and improve it? We've offered 4 plus improved contracts over the last 12 plus months - first being early post Xmas 2016? Billy chose just to not sign which is his right - if we were closer to going up this season (with a stronger / guaranteed chance), then I think he would have stayed. I don't begrudge him wanting to play higher - he's earned it and I don't think the club could have done anything more than they did or done it any differently....
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Post by chilly1883 on Jan 12, 2018 8:00:50 GMT
Ok, but as a club, surely we now have to look of ways of getting higher pricesfor our star players. Peterborough do it every time, millions for non league players, so it can be done👍
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 8:11:21 GMT
Ok, but as a club, surely we now have to look of ways of getting higher pricesfor our star players. Peterborough do it every time, millions for non league players, so it can be done👍 Agree but that takes a different model - taking more 'punts' on the hope they come good and by that I mean buying more than we typically have and being prepared to lose on transfers (For every Taylor there's a Blissett) and also instead of only offering 1/2 year contracts, offering 3/4 years at the outset ...... Also and this probably the more bitter pill for us fans, it's being prepared to proactively market players when they are at the top of their game or their most attractive to get bidders..... Finally, we probably need to up our wages.... It wouldn't surprise me if we have tied Locks and Broaders down to 3 years now (certainly Locks) as if he continues to gain international caps his value will significantly increase. I think there's a healthy balance to be struck - I don't want us to go back to the days of handing out big wages / contracts as a norm but I think for the right kind of players and where the value makes sense, it should be considered 👍
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