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Post by peterparker on Mar 13, 2018 14:14:07 GMT
How is it relevant what car he drives? He is a partner in a legal firm as well as being on the board of directors with a multi million pound turnover. Football clubs need lawyers you know. The club needs legal advice when developing a stadium or a training ground or god knows what other things. There was even a rep from the lawyers their last night, to keep track of the counts etc. Just to make sure things done right. Quite right too, what a difference from the old board. So Why the constant sh** stirring against the owners, who are decent people and trying to make us a sustainable club in the future? Or is it more likely you are just on a wind up, in which case fair play on having a laugh as people do bite. Point of order sir, I know you are new on here, and looking to make an impression, or are you a board member? No, you can't be , because you would know that Turner is not an owner of the club. Who said there was any relevance as to what car he drives? I stated a fact, then gave a view of that fact. so you think he should sell the Maserati and give the money to the club or something?
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:14:19 GMT
This board have delivered nothing. We still play in a ramshackle embarrassment of a ground, we still have no training ground, we still play in the league we’ve played in under every other owner, we still sell our best players to whoever comes along with two ha’pennys to rub together and we still have players who want to leave as soon as they have a decent season with us. The only thing proper and professional about the running of our club is the first team management. Ok you have stated all the good things about our club now give us some bad things PS can you remind me how long it took Brighton to get their stadium built ? A lot less than the 30-40 years we've been trying. Next question?
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Post by Marshy on Mar 13, 2018 14:16:02 GMT
From people who on arrival said the club had to leave the Mem, then changed their mind and now say that the Mem being redeveloped is the plan B. No it isn't, they know it and those who can think for themselves know it. The only hope of this club becoming viable at championship level is to move to a purpose built stadium elsewhere. They also know it, as do those of us who can think for themselves. Cant believe how many people sleep walk into oblivion. There is no doubt a training ground is important to the club, but it's being used as a sop because the real requirement to move this club forward is a new stadium. and just when is that going to happen ? Today tomorrow ? Never ? I don’t know, I’ll be asleep.
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Post by CheshireGas on Mar 13, 2018 14:17:21 GMT
And at the beginning, some bloke challenged why there were Legal fees charged in the accounts (as Mike Turner is a director and also is a partner in the legal firm) "as that money should go to Darrell & the playing squad instead" (or words to that effect). It was almost like some people think a football club who are buying and developing land and property for a training ground would never incur legal costs and all money should just go on players wages. The naivity is staggering. This wasn't really a light heated moment though, more a tad embarrassing and I thing most people thought the top table dealt with it reasonably well. Come on, you must have heard of pro bono (no, it's not a U2 fan club). I'm not suggesting all the work could be done as so (& maybe some has been done as so...) but it's not helpful to not mention it. I have done thousands of pounds worth of vol work for the club and for BRFPA & I am an inconsequential drop in the ocean. Others will have given hundreds of thousands of pounds worth for free, often over decades. It is possible. Maybe the question was just worded badly or spoken with passion / frustration but surely a question can still be valid? The building of a stadium is a major event. It needs precise and exact legal opinion. You will not find many football club fans with that type of knowledge to offer pro bono work. Perhaps if we had had decent legal advice with regard to the original UWE negotiations and the Sainsbury debacle we might not have wasted so much money and Nick Higgs, a building "specialist", wouldn't have made a fool of himself chasing a pipe dream. The fact that the new owners were not prepared to continue negotiations that would have given a bad outcome for the Rovers is to their credit and due to sound legal advice!
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 13, 2018 14:17:52 GMT
A very telling comment that we are now viewed as customers and not fans. Guess on those lines we should all up sticks and follow whatever club is offering the best value eh? What a sad outlook that is but very unsurprising from you. Would you rather have a well run club that treats it supporters like customers or a poorly run club that endeavours to please and inform it's fanbase? Personally I think the Al Qadi's are somewhere in the middle when it comes to treating it's supporters and to me that's ok. We aren't taken for granted, communication is ok but at the same time the owners still protect the club's interests and leave the supporters out of the loop when it isn't necessary for them to be in it. This might come as a shock to some who are used to fan's owning the club but honestly I think it is the way forward. People watch football to be entertained - that's what they are buying. People are entertained best by telling them a story. People have been telling stories for 10s of thousands of years.
Even more entertaining is when a person can relate to the story, feel a part of it. But the story needs to move along, with the person's being reminded of their part in the story. They feel a need to understand where the story is going, and why. Otherwise, they get bored, frustrated, and eventually apathetic. Goodwill is lost.
If you haven't got a story, then what have you got?
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:18:13 GMT
This board have delivered nothing. We still play in a ramshackle embarrassment of a ground, we still have no training ground, we still play in the league we’ve played in under every other owner, we still sell our best players to whoever comes along with two ha’pennys to rub together and we still have players who want to leave as soon as they have a decent season with us. The only thing proper and professional about the running of our club is the first team management. It's worth just pointing out that both Bodin and Taylor signed contracts as soon as they had a decent season with the club, you can't fault them on that. Even if we broke the clubs wage structure, there was little chance of keeping them. Sometimes it's easier just to replace as evidenced with Sercombe, Bennett and Harrison becoming the clubs main men. Taylor with a get out clause you mean. The only chance of keeping players is to get a new stadium that can generate the funds required to keep them. Isnt that what the new owners said they would provide? And so we go round again.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 14:19:56 GMT
and just when is that going to happen ? Today tomorrow ? Never ? I don’t know, I’ll be asleep. But you will wake up when this "consortium" walks through the "corridors of Power" and save us from "oblivion" as gasincider keeps stating ?....
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:19:57 GMT
This board have delivered nothing. We still play in a ramshackle embarrassment of a ground, we still have no training ground, we still play in the league we’ve played in under every other owner, we still sell our best players to whoever comes along with two ha’pennys to rub together and we still have players who want to leave as soon as they have a decent season with us. The only thing proper and professional about the running of our club is the first team management. Other than: Purchase of Training Ground land, plans developed for training ground development, tarting up the Mem a bit, a proper under 23 squad, proper staff structure, medical & training staff leading to fitter players and directly leading to more late goals (so says darrell), a proper commercial department being developed to generate greater income, larger playing budget for darrell, a hugely expanded academy, and plans for stadium development in the future What have the Romans ever done for us??? You forgot to mention doubling the debt in two years secured against our only asset. Still, it's an easily forgettable item isn't it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 14:21:26 GMT
Other than: Purchase of Training Ground land, plans developed for training ground development, tarting up the Mem a bit, a proper under 23 squad, proper staff structure, medical & training staff leading to fitter players and directly leading to more late goals (so says darrell), a proper commercial department being developed to generate greater income, larger playing budget for darrell, a hugely expanded academy, and plans for stadium development in the future What have the Romans ever done for us??? You forgot to mention doubling the debt in two years secured against our only asset. Still, it's an easily forgettable item isn't it. So who are these people we are in debt with ? The Inland Revenue ? Sainsbury, Bristol City Council ? or the owners of the club ?
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Post by contradiction on Mar 13, 2018 14:23:58 GMT
Cant believe how many people sleep walk into oblivion. There is no doubt a training ground is important to the club, but it's being used as a sop because the real requirement to move this club forward is a new stadium. There is no doubt whatsoever that the club need a new stadium, and agreed that is the only way we will become self sustaining. Agreed that the board/owners know that. I think some people think stadiums come on trees. Finding a site, negotiating with landowners, feasiblity etc etc all needs to be done, and that's even before planning. That alone will take months and months and anyone who thinks otherwise is in cloud cuckoo land and/or talking out of their backside. I'm guessing not many people have experience of developing a football stadium. Which is why the training ground has also got to happen now as thats of more immediate need to the manager and club in the medium term.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:31:26 GMT
Posted by HarryBuckle on the other place :- "I was at the AGM. It was quoted that the London office which costs over £250k per year to run has two staff and its for the benefit of the family for meetings etc plus they said most premier clubs have a London office to which one shareholder reminded the top table we are not a premier league club ! The cost of under 23 players wages etc are not included in the fair play agreement for DC's playing budget. The cost of the London office is included in Rovers accounts, and its players under 21 who are not included under the ffp arrangements.
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Post by axegas on Mar 13, 2018 14:32:35 GMT
It's worth just pointing out that both Bodin and Taylor signed contracts as soon as they had a decent season with the club, you can't fault them on that. Even if we broke the clubs wage structure, there was little chance of keeping them. Sometimes it's easier just to replace as evidenced with Sercombe, Bennett and Harrison becoming the clubs main men. Taylor with a get out clause you mean. The only chance of keeping players is to get a new stadium that can generate the funds required to keep them. Isnt that what the new owners said they would provide? And so we go round again. Isn't that what they are working towards though? It's just that people like you don't have the patience to wait and bemoan the clubs inability to retain players in the meantime. We go again purely because the deal at UWE wasn't right for the club, there's no conspiracy to it.
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Post by CheshireGas on Mar 13, 2018 14:32:45 GMT
Ok you have stated all the good things about our club now give us some bad things PS can you remind me how long it took Brighton to get their stadium built ? A lot less than the 30-40 years we've been trying. Next question? 30-40 years and you are hammering the new owners. Remind me how much of that 30-40 years they have been in charge? Next you will be slagging off the Dunfords that they only got us back to the Mem and didn't give us a shiny new stadium and top 6 Championship football...... A shiny new stadium doesn't guarantee you anything. If it's that easy why don't you put a consortium together and do it yourself. You obviously know (from your posts) exactly how it should be done. I await your announcement with bated breath.
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Post by CheshireGas on Mar 13, 2018 14:37:07 GMT
Other than: Purchase of Training Ground land, plans developed for training ground development, tarting up the Mem a bit, a proper under 23 squad, proper staff structure, medical & training staff leading to fitter players and directly leading to more late goals (so says darrell), a proper commercial department being developed to generate greater income, larger playing budget for darrell, a hugely expanded academy, and plans for stadium development in the future What have the Romans ever done for us??? You forgot to mention doubling the debt in two years secured against our only asset. Still, it's an easily forgettable item isn't it. And a lot of that debt was caused by Higgs with extortionate Wonga loans and costs for UWE that have had to be added back to P&L because they can't be capitalised and bills outstanding. A little bit of the eyes wide open that you are harping on about wouldn't go amiss.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2018 14:41:06 GMT
TBH I wasn't encouraged by tonight. I thought only DC stood out as ambitious which begs the question 'how long will he wait for big things to happen? I thought there was much vagueness about the board and without any tangible evidence it comes down to trust they are investing for the long term. The stand out phrase for me was by SH 'We may develop the Mem or elsewhere'so we don't even know where our playing future lies.In Feb 2016 we bought a Porsche, we still have that Porsche but the brakes are firmly on and we have no idea what direction we will be travelling. A far better analogy is that we were bought by a wealthy Nigerian Prince, the only problem is that he needs us to give him 3 million a season for his legal bills so he can unlock his vast wealth. Having said all that, as critical as I have been of DS and the Al Qadi's I find myself suddenly not giving a toss. We are stuck with them now so we just have to accept that UWE is gone and we will be playing in a tinpot ground for at least the next decade while they continue to talk unconvincingly about renovating one week and new sites the next. Either lose all expectation and support your local team who will never amount to much or find someone else to support. There is no middle ground, it seems.
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Post by axegas on Mar 13, 2018 14:43:41 GMT
Would you rather have a well run club that treats it supporters like customers or a poorly run club that endeavours to please and inform it's fanbase? Personally I think the Al Qadi's are somewhere in the middle when it comes to treating it's supporters and to me that's ok. We aren't taken for granted, communication is ok but at the same time the owners still protect the club's interests and leave the supporters out of the loop when it isn't necessary for them to be in it. This might come as a shock to some who are used to fan's owning the club but honestly I think it is the way forward. People watch football to be entertained - that's what they are buying. People are entertained best by telling them a story. People have been telling stories for 10s of thousands of years.
Even more entertaining is when a person can relate to the story, feel a part of it. But the story needs to move along, with the person's being reminded of their part in the story. They feel a need to understand where the story is going, and why. Otherwise, they get bored, frustrated, and eventually apathetic. Goodwill is lost.
If you haven't got a story, then what have you got?
After watching the progress of DC and the team over the last 2-3 years, boring and frustrating are certainly not words I would associate with following this football club, maybe a club stuck in the doldrums of league one such as Walsall but not us. Surely the real "story" and entertainment come from on the pitch play rather than boardroom decisions as after we pay to get ourselves onto the terraces of a football match not the corridors of some office. I'd much rather be bored by off the pitch happenings if it's ultimately going to give us success and entertainment on the field of play, certainly no loss of goodwill from me. The last 4-5 years off the pitch have provided me enough "excitement", I'll only be interested again when tangible things start to become apparent which will happen over time, we are in capable hands.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:44:48 GMT
One light hearted moment was when the vote was called to re-elect Steve Hamer as a director,the only vote against was Wael! that sent a chuckle around the room. And at the beginning, some bloke challenged why there were Legal fees charged in the accounts (as Mike Turner is a director and also is a partner in the legal firm) "as that money should go to Darrell & the playing squad instead" (or words to that effect). It was almost like some people think a football club who are buying and developing land and property for a training ground would never incur legal costs and all money should just go on players wages. The naivity is staggering. This wasn't really a light heated moment though, more a tad embarrassing and I thing most people thought the top table dealt with it reasonably well. A friend who was there said he was challenging the conflict of interest in his two roles. Nothing to do with legitimate legal work. Furthermore, the solicitor said it was work he did on the purchase of the club. If that's the case, that work was done to assist the family in the purchase of the club, therefore it should have been charged to the family not the club. Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:47:00 GMT
Please remind us about the "consortium" waiting in the "corridors of Power" again.. many a true word etc etc etc 😇
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 14:47:14 GMT
And at the beginning, some bloke challenged why there were Legal fees charged in the accounts (as Mike Turner is a director and also is a partner in the legal firm) "as that money should go to Darrell & the playing squad instead" (or words to that effect). It was almost like some people think a football club who are buying and developing land and property for a training ground would never incur legal costs and all money should just go on players wages. The naivity is staggering. This wasn't really a light heated moment though, more a tad embarrassing and I thing most people thought the top table dealt with it reasonably well. A friend who was there said he was challenging the conflict of interest in his two roles. Nothing to do with legitimate legal work. Furthermore, the solicitor said it was work he did on the purchase of the club. If that's the case, that work was done to assist the family in the purchase of the club, therefore it should have been charged to the family not the club.
Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story. Maybe he was working for Sir Nick to help the sale of the club. Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 14:48:05 GMT
Please remind us about the "consortium" waiting in the "corridors of Power" again.. many a true word etc etc etc 😇 I'm still waiting for the "Consortium" to come save us all from "Oblivion"
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