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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:49:38 GMT
Point of order sir, I know you are new on here, and looking to make an impression, or are you a board member? No, you can't be , because you would know that Turner is not an owner of the club. Who said there was any relevance as to what car he drives? I stated a fact, then gave a view of that fact. so you think he should sell the Maserati and give the money to the club or something? God, that's almost funny. I wish I had thought of that.
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 13, 2018 14:54:02 GMT
many a true word etc etc etc 😇 I'm still waiting for the "Consortium" to come save us all from "Oblivion" Probably the same as any major development happening Henbury, soon - very soon
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 14:54:18 GMT
You forgot to mention doubling the debt in two years secured against our only asset. Still, it's an easily forgettable item isn't it. So who are these people we are in debt with ? The Inland Revenue ? Sainsbury, Bristol City Council ? or the owners of the club ? Are you saying debts are no longer debts? In the banking world it wont look to good to tell folks that you bought a business and saw it double its indebtedness in two years. Unless of course, debts are no longer debts.
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Post by knowall on Mar 13, 2018 14:56:36 GMT
Hi No, I am in the USA where it is middle of the night here. I am convinced that due to the negativity by so many who claim to be supporters, there will be nothing of consequence announced until there is a deal advanced enough to be made public. Be that the Mem, a new stadium, or anything else. I support the BOD fully, and understand why they are staying silent. After all although you may be loyal customers of Asda or Tesco - do they tell you what is happening behind the scenes - no! And we should expect nothing different - especially after all the rubbish thrown at the BOD by some. A very telling comment that we are now viewed as customers and not fans. Guess on those lines we should all up sticks and follow whatever club is offering the best value eh? What a sad outlook that is but very unsurprising from you. As you are no doubt aware that is not what I said or meant - I was simply stating a comparison. 'loyal customers' = 'loyal fans' HOWEVER, you might consider that 'customers' have legal rights in Britain which 'fans' do not - and if you then consider yourself as a customer AND a fan (which I think we all are) then it might well be a stronger position to be in because the rights of a customer has to be met. The main point I was trying to make is that because of all the flack which any announcement is met I fully understand why anything worth knowing will in future be kept under wraps until it is virtually signed and sealed. Not dissimilar to when Dunfords negotiated moving to the Mem, and Nick Higgs discussions with UWE - neither were made public until discussions were agreed in principle.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 13, 2018 14:58:33 GMT
And at the beginning, some bloke challenged why there were Legal fees charged in the accounts (as Mike Turner is a director and also is a partner in the legal firm) "as that money should go to Darrell & the playing squad instead" (or words to that effect). It was almost like some people think a football club who are buying and developing land and property for a training ground would never incur legal costs and all money should just go on players wages. The naivity is staggering. This wasn't really a light heated moment though, more a tad embarrassing and I thing most people thought the top table dealt with it reasonably well. A friend who was there said he was challenging the conflict of interest in his two roles. Nothing to do with legitimate legal work. Furthermore, the solicitor said it was work he did on the purchase of the club. If that's the case, that work was done to assist the family in the purchase of the club, therefore it should have been charged to the family not the club.Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story. the question would be are those fees capitalised given that they were incurred in the purchase of the club as that would be standard accounting practice
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 15:00:13 GMT
Taylor with a get out clause you mean. The only chance of keeping players is to get a new stadium that can generate the funds required to keep them. Isnt that what the new owners said they would provide? And so we go round again. Isn't that what they are working towards though? It's just that people like you don't have the patience to wait and bemoan the clubs inability to retain players in the meantime. We go again purely because the deal at UWE wasn't right for the club, there's no conspiracy to it. We have mixed messages all the time or nowt at all. We are told we need to leave the Mem, then told it was plan b. It wasn't. It never was. They simply didnt have a plan b. If they have any sense, and remain as owners, they will know we have to move to a purpose built stadium elsewhere. And don't tell me to have patience. Who do you think you are, Paul Buckle? This club has watched just about the entire league get better grounds, and still the wait goes on. How long do you want to wait, I've waited 30-40years.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 15:03:16 GMT
So who are these people we are in debt with ? The Inland Revenue ? Sainsbury, Bristol City Council ? or the owners of the club ? Are you saying debts are no longer debts? In the banking world it wont look to good to tell folks that you bought a business and saw it double its indebtedness in two years. Unless of course, debts are no longer debts. To Have a debt you need to owe money to another party can you identify who that party is please ?
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Post by knowall on Mar 13, 2018 15:03:22 GMT
And at the beginning, some bloke challenged why there were Legal fees charged in the accounts (as Mike Turner is a director and also is a partner in the legal firm) "as that money should go to Darrell & the playing squad instead" (or words to that effect). It was almost like some people think a football club who are buying and developing land and property for a training ground would never incur legal costs and all money should just go on players wages. The naivity is staggering. This wasn't really a light heated moment though, more a tad embarrassing and I thing most people thought the top table dealt with it reasonably well. A friend who was there said he was challenging the conflict of interest in his two roles. Nothing to do with legitimate legal work. Furthermore, the solicitor said it was work he did on the purchase of the club. If that's the case, that work was done to assist the family in the purchase of the club, therefore it should have been charged to the family not the club. Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story. Nothing new there then - read previous years accounts under the Dunfords (it's how Twatola became involved with the Football Club) and also the previous BOD
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 15:04:57 GMT
A friend who was there said he was challenging the conflict of interest in his two roles. Nothing to do with legitimate legal work. Furthermore, the solicitor said it was work he did on the purchase of the club. If that's the case, that work was done to assist the family in the purchase of the club, therefore it should have been charged to the family not the club.
Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story. Maybe he was working for Sir Nick to help the sale of the club. Still, don't let facts get in the way of your story. Henbury, you'd struggle to find the same solicitor who acts for both the seller and the buyer. But if you know of one let me know. Meantime, the version of events over the legal fees looks different when put correctly.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 13, 2018 15:04:58 GMT
I blame the AQs for the last 30 years of failure.
Wasters.
Mine eyes are open.
Hallelujah.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 15:06:54 GMT
A lot less than the 30-40 years we've been trying. Next question? 30-40 years and you are hammering the new owners. Remind me how much of that 30-40 years they have been in charge? Next you will be slagging off the Dunfords that they only got us back to the Mem and didn't give us a shiny new stadium and top 6 Championship football...... A shiny new stadium doesn't guarantee you anything. If it's that easy why don't you put a consortium together and do it yourself. You obviously know (from your posts) exactly how it should be done. I await your announcement with bated breath. He asked how long it took Brighton to get their ground. Why are you changing the question?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 13, 2018 15:08:33 GMT
Are you saying debts are no longer debts? In the banking world it wont look to good to tell folks that you bought a business and saw it double its indebtedness in two years. Unless of course, debts are no longer debts. To Have a debt you need to owe money to another party can you identify who that party is please ? Some people, when they are flush, stuff a fiver or tenner down the back of the sofa for their future self to find at a later date as a little treat. This is a real, actual thing that people do. I'll be bent over looking, round the back of the South Stand at the next home game if anyone is interested.
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Post by singupgas on Mar 13, 2018 15:09:09 GMT
30-40 years and you are hammering the new owners. Remind me how much of that 30-40 years they have been in charge? Next you will be slagging off the Dunfords that they only got us back to the Mem and didn't give us a shiny new stadium and top 6 Championship football...... A shiny new stadium doesn't guarantee you anything. If it's that easy why don't you put a consortium together and do it yourself. You obviously know (from your posts) exactly how it should be done. I await your announcement with bated breath. He asked how long it took Brighton to get their ground. Why are you changing the question? Waels in his 40s i hope doesn't have a 30-40 year plan.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Mar 13, 2018 15:10:35 GMT
TBH I wasn't encouraged by tonight. I thought only DC stood out as ambitious which begs the question 'how long will he wait for big things to happen? I thought there was much vagueness about the board and without any tangible evidence it comes down to trust they are investing for the long term. The stand out phrase for me was by SH 'We may develop the Mem or elsewhere'so we don't even know where our playing future lies.In Feb 2016 we bought a Porsche, we still have that Porsche but the brakes are firmly on and we have no idea what direction we will be travelling. A far better analogy is that we were bought by a wealthy Nigerian Prince, the only problem is that he needs us to give him 3 million a season for his legal bills so he can unlock his vast wealth. Having said all that, as critical as I have been of DS and the Al Qadi's I find myself suddenly not giving a toss. We are stuck with them now so we just have to accept that UWE is gone and we will be playing in a tinpot ground for at least the next decade while they continue to talk unconvincingly about renovating one week and new sites the next. Either lose all expectation and support your local team who will never amount to much or find someone else to support. There is no middle ground, it seems. There is always middle ground for those that try to find it.
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 15:11:35 GMT
You forgot to mention doubling the debt in two years secured against our only asset. Still, it's an easily forgettable item isn't it. And a lot of that debt was caused by Higgs with extortionate Wonga loans and costs for UWE that have had to be added back to P&L because they can't be capitalised and bills outstanding. A little bit of the eyes wide open that you are harping on about wouldn't go amiss..... I've probably forgotten more about company accounts over a thirty year career than you ever learnt pal. So take your condescension elsewhere. The losses occurred under the Al Qadi regime when the stadium failed. It failed on their watch, and even now the truth about why has never been disclosed. Remember that old chestnut 'secrecy agreement'.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 13, 2018 15:12:03 GMT
Training ground plans being submitted within 8/9 weeks but when asked what it included Mike Turner refused to divulge as it needed to be confidential until planning submitted. It would be phased and the first team will benefit by its use first. this ................................is .........................................so...........................................painfully ...........................................slow Whilst very true and annoying, it is a definite timescale rather the usual vague 'soon or 'shortly'. Something to measure by and hold them to.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 15:12:18 GMT
To Have a debt you need to owe money to another party can you identify who that party is please ? Some people, when they are flush, stuff a fiver or tenner down the back of the sofa for their future self to find at a later date as a little treat. This is a real, actual thing that people do. I'll be bent over looking, round the back of the South Stand at the next home game if anyone is interested. Don't let scooby doo near you or else you will be getting more than you bargained for
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 13, 2018 15:13:44 GMT
And a lot of that debt was caused by Higgs with extortionate Wonga loans and costs for UWE that have had to be added back to P&L because they can't be capitalised and bills outstanding. A little bit of the eyes wide open that you are harping on about wouldn't go amiss..... I've probably forgotten more about company accounts over a thirty year career than you ever learnt pal. So take your condescension elsewhere. The losses occurred under the Al Qadi regime when the stadium failed. It failed on their watch, and even now the truth about why has never been disclosed.Remember that old chestnut 'secrecy agreement'. Care to enlighten us ? More info from the "Corridors of Power" ?
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Post by gasincider on Mar 13, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
As you are no doubt aware that is not what I said or meant - I was simply stating a comparison. 'loyal customers' = 'loyal fans It's awful when people twist other people's words Isn't it.
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 13, 2018 15:17:35 GMT
What I find frustrating is this, didn't Wael say when UWE fell through that we were gonna redevelop the Mem or did I dream it? Now it looks like it may not be the case, fine, but all these mixed messages are not helping PR. DC calls a spade a spade but the BOD haven't decided yet what to call it, will they ever? The video interview suggested that, but the official written statement at the time said both a new site or redevelopment are options. Should still be available on the website if anyone wants to see it.
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