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Post by LJG on Mar 20, 2018 7:28:47 GMT
Can someone post a clip of a monkey riding a tricycle, I am losing the will to live. I was always convinced it would be easy to find a video of a pony walking balanced on a big ball. I'm still looking.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 20, 2018 7:32:50 GMT
Can someone post a clip of a monkey riding a tricycle, I am losing the will to live. I was always convinced it would be easy to find a video of a pony walking balanced on a big ball. I'm still looking. SO what you are saying then my lord is that you have not found a one trick pony ? Just watch Ellis during the game, he only has one trick to his game
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Post by garystash on Mar 20, 2018 7:36:36 GMT
Can someone post a clip of a monkey riding a tricycle, I am losing the will to live. Nit a tricycle, but how's this:
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Post by peterparker on Mar 20, 2018 8:23:39 GMT
And the loyal office staff have not had a pay rise for.................................... I thought this was going to announced at the AGM as some of us were aware this was happening. Well it's rather surprising that you "were aware this was happening", when gasincider alleges that Mr Hamer didn't know. So which of you is right? Regards John Malyckyj I wonder why anyone 'ITK' didn't bring it up at the AGM, if they are surprised it wasn't mentioned. Standing up for CGH's 8% and all that
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2018 8:29:55 GMT
Appreciate the reply which backs up the point that I don't believe this is a normal structure for a company the size of Bristol Rovers We are a very small Cog on the rump of the mighty AJIB, owners of BRFC and as such need a CEO to fit into their large Structure More nonsense form you, we've nothing to do with AJIB we just happen to have a number of their shareholders as owners, there's absolutely no requirement for us to fit into their structure.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:36:58 GMT
Appreciate the reply which backs up the point that I don't believe this is a normal structure for a company the size of Bristol Rovers We are a very small Cog on the rump of the mighty AJIB, owners of BRFC and as such need a CEO to fit into their large Structure That's my belief.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2018 8:39:02 GMT
We are a very small Cog on the rump of the mighty AJIB, owners of BRFC and as such need a CEO to fit into their large Structure More nonsense form you, we've nothing to do with AJIB we just happen to have a number of their shareholders as owners, there's absolutely no requirement for us to fit into their structure. As far as you are aware. They may, as shareholders, decide they want uniformity of practice. You cannot know any different
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Post by toddy1953 on Mar 20, 2018 8:49:48 GMT
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2018 9:03:41 GMT
My reading is that we have an unusual set of circumstances where we are trying to build a relatively self sustaining club (my reading of Wael's intentions) with the associated infrastructure simultaneously, that is a concurrent build or design of stadium, academy, training ground and commercial activities whist maintaining the day to day running of the club let alone the actual footballing side.
I am thinking that what we are seeing is the division of labour as taking on the above would be a lot for a few people. After reading the club statement and it making reference to the academy and community philosophy, I see the new CEO as the person to look after the training ground, academy and maybe the day to day aspects leaving SH to concentrate on the stadium and the coordination of the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise me to see other appointments over the coming year or two for the same reasons.
With regards to timings, Wael did say they wanted a CEO from the beginning. I realise that some question the validity of the appointment at this stage but many have suggested we "speculate to accumulate" with regards to players (and their wages) so why not with the club's other areas? I don't think we are putting the 'cart before the horse' here either, for me this is another good sign that things are going on in the background.
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Post by peterparker on Mar 20, 2018 9:22:23 GMT
My reading is that we have an unusual set of circumstances where we are trying to build a relatively self sustaining club (my reading of Wael's intentions) with the associated infrastructure simultaneously, that is a concurrent build or design of stadium, academy, training ground and commercial activities whist maintaining the day to day running of the club let alone the actual footballing side. I am thinking that what we are seeing is the division of labour as taking on the above would be a lot for a few people. After reading the club statement and it making reference to the academy and community philosophy, I see the new CEO as the person to look after the training ground, academy and maybe the day to day aspects leaving SH to concentrate on the stadium and the coordination of the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise me to see other appointments over the coming year or two for the same reasons. With regards to timings, Wael did say they wanted a CEO from the beginning. I realise that some question the validity of the appointment at this stage but many have suggested we "speculate to accumulate" with regards to players (and their wages) so why not with the club's other areas? I don't think we are putting the 'cart before the horse' here either, for me this is another good sign that things are going on in the background. Away with you and your balanced thinking.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Mar 20, 2018 9:28:30 GMT
We are a very small Cog on the rump of the mighty AJIB, owners of BRFC and as such need a CEO to fit into their large Structure More nonsense form you, we've nothing to do with AJIB we just happen to have a number of their shareholders as owners, there's absolutely no requirement for us to fit into their structure. Think you may want to retract that statement very soon
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 20, 2018 9:37:24 GMT
My reading is that we have an unusual set of circumstances where we are trying to build a relatively self sustaining club (my reading of Wael's intentions) with the associated infrastructure simultaneously, that is a concurrent build or design of stadium, academy, training ground and commercial activities whist maintaining the day to day running of the club let alone the actual footballing side. I am thinking that what we are seeing is the division of labour as taking on the above would be a lot for a few people. After reading the club statement and it making reference to the academy and community philosophy, I see the new CEO as the person to look after the training ground, academy and maybe the day to day aspects leaving SH to concentrate on the stadium and the coordination of the whole thing. It wouldn't surprise me to see other appointments over the coming year or two for the same reasons. With regards to timings, Wael did say they wanted a CEO from the beginning. I realise that some question the validity of the appointment at this stage but many have suggested we "speculate to accumulate" with regards to players (and their wages) so why not with the club's other areas? I don't think we are putting the 'cart before the horse' here either, for me this is another good sign that things are going on in the background. Away with you and your balanced thinking. Sorry, I'm new here.😇
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Post by knowall on Mar 20, 2018 9:57:22 GMT
You couldn't make it up. So let's think, £100k+ CEO, £100k legal bills,£250k for a London office, chairman £100k. Bet Steve Hamer won't be pleased about this. He was appointed by Mike Turner without SH even knowing about it apparently. So just why does Turner carry so much power without even owning a share? HOWS THE BUDGET DARRELL? It was made very clear at the AGM how the playing budget was determined and how the owners chose to finance the rest of the operation. They said that they had a London office from which the family could operate when they come to the UK, no doubt when they've done business in the past they've usally done it in London as it is the financial capital of the UK and they are merchant bankers. Your challenge to Mr Turner was not supported by anyone else in the room when it came to voting for him to continue on the Board, there was one vote against him and a few abstentions everyone else voted for him. What evidence do you have for suggesting that Mr Hamer didn't know about the appointment of the CEO? I have been attending AGMs for the best part of 22 years. I was allowed to go in a journalistic capacity whilst writing for The Pirate even before I became a shareholder in the early part of this century so have seen enough to perhaps form an opinion by observing, talking to and challenging successive Boards and their members. There are some that seem fixated upon the role of Dwane Sports and it's relationship with Bristol Rovers 1883("1883"). The Al Qadi family own 92% of 1883 and have created Dwane Sports as the holding company. I view them as one and the same. Two years ago they purchased Bristol Rovers Football Club and that was the arrangement they put in place. You probed on the question of a "conflict of interests" with director Mike Turner's company taking legal fees of £97k and then the "London office" expenses. I thought that they were fair questions and I found the answers given entirely acceptable and may I add, convincing. Remember the family own the Football Club and if they think that they need an office in London then that is good enough for me. The point was made by the finance director that these expenses did not impact upon playing budgets. As the evening developed clear explanations were given about turnover and the impact upon the playing budgets (and what could be spent on over 21 players), there seemed to be clear unity between the manager and the Board in terms of understanding the issues. I also have confidence that if the current owners felt that the UWE deal wasn't right for them as an investment, then so be it. There are some who seem to think that somehow that project should never have been given up and don't seem to understand that the reasons should remain confidential for the possible benefit of both parties in the future. UWE may wish to attract an alternative partner and IF (and I stress IF) Bristol Rovers found an alternative site for another project they wouldn't want their hand to be shown in the public domain. I do believe that some people have been so used to having information leaked to them they cannot get over the fact that it is no longer available, it is hard to believe that the "fence gate" brigade were not represented in some form on the night, there was a brief discussion about the pitch.....but that was it. So the acid test for me as a shareholder is this, do I have confidence in the current Board to run Bristol Rovers Football Club? My answer is "yes", certainly far more confidence than I did in attending AGMs between 2007 and 2015. Before anyone accuses me of being a soft touch, I frequently asked the "difficult" questions of the previous regimes (which they didn't like) and got the new president at the AGM into the meeting by asking him to tell us what he had learned over the last two years - "no day is the same and always a new challenge", and would he do it again to which he responded "we are here to stay." There are still question marks but I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom view of things. Regards John Malyckyj I take my hat off to you Sir, an excellent post and a great summary which everybody should read twice if not three times to get your message home.
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Post by knowall on Mar 20, 2018 9:59:56 GMT
It was made very clear at the AGM how the playing budget was determined and how the owners chose to finance the rest of the operation. They said that they had a London office from which the family could operate when they come to the UK, no doubt when they've done business in the past they've usally done it in London as it is the financial capital of the UK and they are merchant bankers. Your challenge to Mr Turner was not supported by anyone else in the room when it came to voting for him to continue on the Board, there was one vote against him and a few abstentions everyone else voted for him. What evidence do you have for suggesting that Mr Hamer didn't know about the appointment of the CEO? I have been attending AGMs for the best part of 22 years. I was allowed to go in a journalistic capacity whilst writing for The Pirate even before I became a shareholder in the early part of this century so have seen enough to perhaps form an opinion by observing, talking to and challenging successive Boards and their members. There are some that seem fixated upon the role of Dwane Sports and it's relationship with Bristol Rovers 1883("1883"). The Al Qadi family own 92% of 1883 and have created Dwane Sports as the holding company. I view them as one and the same. Two years ago they purchased Bristol Rovers Football Club and that was the arrangement they put in place. You probed on the question of a "conflict of interests" with director Mike Turner's company taking legal fees of £97k and then the "London office" expenses. I thought that they were fair questions and I found the answers given entirely acceptable and may I add, convincing. Remember the family own the Football Club and if they think that they need an office in London then that is good enough for me. The point was made by the finance director that these expenses did not impact upon playing budgets. As the evening developed clear explanations were given about turnover and the impact upon the playing budgets (and what could be spent on over 21 players), there seemed to be clear unity between the manager and the Board in terms of understanding the issues. I also have confidence that if the current owners felt that the UWE deal wasn't right for them as an investment, then so be it. There are some who seem to think that somehow that project should never have been given up and don't seem to understand that the reasons should remain confidential for the possible benefit of both parties in the future. UWE may wish to attract an alternative partner and IF (and I stress IF) Bristol Rovers found an alternative site for another project they wouldn't want their hand to be shown in the public domain. I do believe that some people have been so used to having information leaked to them they cannot get over the fact that it is no longer available, it is hard to believe that the "fence gate" brigade were not represented in some form on the night, there was a brief discussion about the pitch.....but that was it. So the acid test for me as a shareholder is this, do I have confidence in the current Board to run Bristol Rovers Football Club? My answer is "yes", certainly far more confidence than I did in attending AGMs between 2007 and 2015. Before anyone accuses me of being a soft touch, I frequently asked the "difficult" questions of the previous regimes (which they didn't like) and got the new president at the AGM into the meeting by asking him to tell us what he had learned over the last two years - "no day is the same and always a new challenge", and would he do it again to which he responded "we are here to stay." There are still question marks but I do not subscribe to the doom and gloom view of things. Regards John Malyckyj Sounds John you view Dwane Sports and the club as one and the same? So in your view the shareholders of the 8% have absolutely no rights in the running of the club a few it's finances? A very sad and pathetic view of someone who essentially used to be responsible for a large part of that 8% minority shareholders do have rights but majority shareholders win the vote. - get over it!
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Post by knowall on Mar 20, 2018 10:04:48 GMT
Would like to add: Anyone who can’t get excited about this is completely normal. My above post is not suggestion that we should be doing cartwheels but it completely flummoxes me that the board would be due criticism over this. I think the concern is how we can pay for all these senior employees when we're already losing £2m/3m p.a. and SH's admitted we only have a bottom 8 playing budget, as that's a Chairman, CEO, Marketing Dir, Develop Squad manager, Head of Academy, plus two guys in an office in London all employed over and above what NH use to employ. Wael seems to be setting us up to run like a Championship club whilst we're still based in a ground only fit for Div 2, with little signs that's going to change anytime soon. which is what happened on the other side of Bristol - and it seems to be working
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Post by Nortongashead on Mar 20, 2018 10:28:05 GMT
Certainly an interesting appointment. Makes me think is there anything major happening on the horizon? Will be interesting to see how Chairmen and CEO will synergise in the day to day running of the club. As any new CEO, he will definitely want to make his mark on the club within 6 months of being in the role. Personally feel another cornerstone being put into place.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 20, 2018 11:06:22 GMT
I think the concern is how we can pay for all these senior employees when we're already losing £2m/3m p.a. and SH's admitted we only have a bottom 8 playing budget, as that's a Chairman, CEO, Marketing Dir, Develop Squad manager, Head of Academy, plus two guys in an office in London all employed over and above what NH use to employ. Wael seems to be setting us up to run like a Championship club whilst we're still based in a ground only fit for Div 2, with little signs that's going to change anytime soon. which is what happened on the other side of Bristol - and it seems to be working But we keep on being told the ALQ's are not going to spend money like Pantsdown, AG was always a far more suitable stadium (apart from the the inhabitants) than the Mem is at present for Championship football, plus rebuilding that stadium seems a far easier project than whatever our Plan B eventually turns out to be. If the ALQ's are prepared to spend upwards of £50m of their own money like Pantsdown before they even start building a new stadium then all well and good but that doesn't seem to have been the message they have been sending out in the past.
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Post by Captain Jayho on Mar 20, 2018 11:07:49 GMT
I think the concern is how we can pay for all these senior employees when we're already losing £2m/3m p.a. and SH's admitted we only have a bottom 8 playing budget, as that's a Chairman, CEO, Marketing Dir, Develop Squad manager, Head of Academy, plus two guys in an office in London all employed over and above what NH use to employ. Wael seems to be setting us up to run like a Championship club whilst we're still based in a ground only fit for Div 2, with little signs that's going to change anytime soon. which is what happened on the other side of Bristol - and it seems to be working Er, yes. But hasn't Lansdown cleared large portions of that horrible little club's debt as his development has progressed to reach that point? If our owners aren't intent on doing that (and lets be frank we have no idea if they will but realistically why would they) then it's not really a fair comparison is it?
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Post by oldgas on Mar 20, 2018 13:53:15 GMT
Has anyone seen Hamer and this new guy in the same room together? .........I smell a rat!
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Post by baggins on Mar 20, 2018 13:58:16 GMT
Has anyone seen Hamer and this new guy in the same room together? .........I smell a rat! It's probably in your coat.
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