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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:12:15 GMT
20 seasons at championship level. 59 seasons at league one level. 10 seasons at league two level. 1 season at conference level. History would suggest a long time in league one should be expected. History also points to the modern age and the change in league has been a downward one ! Don't be too hasty in wanting a divisional change . Sorry boss but it's 19 seasons at Championship level : 9 in 50s/60s, 7 in 70s and 3 in 90s. cheers old bean. Makes it an even worse record then ! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 16:20:53 GMT
20 seasons at championship level. 59 seasons at league one level. 10 seasons at league two level. 1 season at conference level. History would suggest a long time in league one should be expected. History also points to the modern age and the change in league has been a downward one ! Don't be too hasty in wanting a divisional change . Of those 59yrs how many had playoffs though, we would have been fighting for a top six finish on many occasions and who knows once your in them you could win them, so that 59yrs could've been a lot less. At least ten seasons were playoff finishing positions. four seasons on the trot in the early 70s followed by a promotion. However you would have only gone up once had you won the playoffs. So hard to judge it really. On the same theme Rovers finished 23rd in league 2 in 2002...so on the same change to the modern rules ,Rovers would have gone to the conference then. Which means the three promotions since 2002 may not have happened. In fact there may have been no club for it to happen to ? who knows.
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Post by twertonboy on Mar 22, 2018 16:29:16 GMT
Is that directed at me or other posters? I’ve been watching the gas through thick and thin since 1988...how about you? Fair enough, maybe you just have a short memory then? I’m not getting where your going with this? Are you saying because we dropped down to non league supporters should just be happy we’re not in non league and we should never a adapt our expectations or expect anymore promotions? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 17:58:36 GMT
Of those 59yrs how many had playoffs though, we would have been fighting for a top six finish on many occasions and who knows once your in them you could win them, so that 59yrs could've been a lot less. At least ten seasons were playoff finishing positions. four seasons on the trot in the early 70s followed by a promotion. However you would have only gone up once had you won the playoffs. So hard to judge it really. On the same theme Rovers finished 23rd in league 2 in 2002...so on the same change to the modern rules ,Rovers would have gone to the conference then. Which means the three promotions since 2002 may not have happened. In fact there may have been no club for it to happen to ? who knows.
That's true, but the last few games of the season when promotion spots were out of reach there was nothing to play for, so finishing as high as third meant nothing and form and effort usually fell away. With out the playoffs we could still be a non league club too. It's all if's and but's though. Overall i'm happy challenging in this league whilst the club grows off the field, the odd cup run would be nice too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 18:05:36 GMT
Due to 4 down 3 up (not a euphemism!) establishing yourself as a league one club is a rare feat, I think only Bradford, Oldham and Walsall have spent the last 5 consecutive seasons in league one. So with that trend being the way it is we should be prepared to be moving on in the next couple of seasons, most likely in a downward direction unless there is some serious intent shown by the owners in terms of playing squad investment, but of course that comes at the expense of an increase in debt...
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Post by lmgas on Mar 22, 2018 22:10:30 GMT
Due to 4 down 3 up (not a euphemism!) establishing yourself as a league one club is a rare feat, I think only Bradford, Oldham and Walsall have spent the last 5 consecutive seasons in league one. So with that trend being the way it is we should be prepared to be moving on in the next couple of seasons, most likely in a downward direction unless there is some serious intent shown by the owners in terms of playing squad investment, but of course that comes at the expense of an increase in debt... Does anyone have a link to the stats on consecutive seasons in league one? |
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Post by axegas on Mar 22, 2018 22:15:26 GMT
Due to 4 down 3 up (not a euphemism!) establishing yourself as a league one club is a rare feat, I think only Bradford, Oldham and Walsall have spent the last 5 consecutive seasons in league one. So with that trend being the way it is we should be prepared to be moving on in the next couple of seasons, most likely in a downward direction unless there is some serious intent shown by the owners in terms of playing squad investment, but of course that comes at the expense of an increase in debt... We are in contention for a top ten finish for the second year in a row, we have a good team spirit and an excellent manager. If anything at this point in time i would say the only way is up for the club. As for some intent, we have begun to see the beginnings of it through the acquisitions of Sercombe, Nichols and Bennett. Continue that trend in the summer and recruit wisely then I genuinely feel we can give next season a right good go. |
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Post by aghast on Mar 22, 2018 22:43:59 GMT
At least ten seasons were playoff finishing positions. four seasons on the trot in the early 70s followed by a promotion. However you would have only gone up once had you won the playoffs. So hard to judge it really. On the same theme Rovers finished 23rd in league 2 in 2002...so on the same change to the modern rules ,Rovers would have gone to the conference then. Which means the three promotions since 2002 may not have happened. In fact there may have been no club for it to happen to ? who knows.
That's true, but the last few games of the season when promotion spots were out of reach there was nothing to play for, so finishing as high as third meant nothing and form and effort usually fell away. With out the playoffs we could still be a non league club too. It's all if's and but's though. Overall i'm happy challenging in this league whilst the club grows off the field, the odd cup run would be nice too. You had to be there. Maybe you were? But those seasons from 1969 to 1974 were brilliant. League Cup runs with 20,000 crowds, the Watney Cup, Smash and Grab, consistently high finishes, and a great atmosphere. Each season back then felt like we were building up to something special, which we actually did with Don Megson. It didn't feel like a failure to get promoted, but more a step forward each year. So I am happy to linger in L1 for a while yet if it feels like it did then. A competitive budget, a good manager, a motivated squad, and some ambition. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Mar 22, 2018 22:58:50 GMT
I've always been used to Division 3 football so we are where I am familiar. Like some here I don't harbour Premiership ambitions as I fear we would lose a lot of what makes us, especially local players coming through. A brief visit would be nice though 😯
Championship football, ground issue resolved and other associated improvements in around three years is what I hope is the plan.
Having said that I really hope we show our intent in the summer go for it next season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2018 23:12:48 GMT
That's true, but the last few games of the season when promotion spots were out of reach there was nothing to play for, so finishing as high as third meant nothing and form and effort usually fell away. With out the playoffs we could still be a non league club too. It's all if's and but's though. Overall i'm happy challenging in this league whilst the club grows off the field, the odd cup run would be nice too. You had to be there. Maybe you were? But those seasons from 1969 to 1974 were brilliant. League Cup runs with 20,000 crowds, the Watney Cup, Smash and Grab, consistently high finishes, and a great atmosphere. Each season back then felt like we were building up to something special, which we actually did with Don Megson. It didn't feel like a failure to get promoted, but more a step forward each year. So I am happy to linger in L1 for a while yet if it feels like it did then. A competitive budget, a good manager, a motivated squad, and some ambition. Yes i was there, that's what i was getting at, we were in this division challenging with a few cup runs and it was great. Even more to go for now with a top six target not just top two. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2018 13:27:55 GMT
Due to 4 down 3 up (not a euphemism!) establishing yourself as a league one club is a rare feat, I think only Bradford, Oldham and Walsall have spent the last 5 consecutive seasons in league one. So with that trend being the way it is we should be prepared to be moving on in the next couple of seasons, most likely in a downward direction unless there is some serious intent shown by the owners in terms of playing squad investment, but of course that comes at the expense of an increase in debt... I wonder if this coincides with the modern fashion of ever changing managers and owners ? Has the impact of more footie on tv pushed the expectation and lack of tolerance up ?
With the new playoff system being used in the lower leagues (involving six clubs in the playoffs) will this devalue promotions as an achievement further ? where a team just finishing in the top third of the division gets to be promoted.
Though this is just falling in line with football becoming more of a business rather than a sport to test how good you are.
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Post by markczgas on Mar 23, 2018 13:31:36 GMT
Sorry boss but it's 19 seasons at Championship level : 9 in 50s/60s, 7 in 70s and 3 in 90s. cheers old bean. Makes it an even worse record then ! I don't know - as we haven't been in The Champ since '93 it sounds impressive that we've done it 19 times  . |
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Post by faggotygas on Mar 23, 2018 13:40:42 GMT
Hopefully we'll go a few more years until relegation to the league that we've been in for most of the last couple of decades.
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Post by Topper Gas on Mar 23, 2018 14:18:13 GMT
Due to 4 down 3 up (not a euphemism!) establishing yourself as a league one club is a rare feat, I think only Bradford, Oldham and Walsall have spent the last 5 consecutive seasons in league one. So with that trend being the way it is we should be prepared to be moving on in the next couple of seasons, most likely in a downward direction unless there is some serious intent shown by the owners in terms of playing squad investment, but of course that comes at the expense of an increase in debt... Looking at our wage bill last season I'd suggest they really are showing some intent, as over 75% of our turnover was spent on wages. |
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