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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 23:19:42 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. On your own. I fear he may get his wish on Saturday.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 23:43:45 GMT
I'm Welsh and personally will be glad once the hype has blown over. I had a lot of English friends rooting for Wales against portugal in the euros so this year I have tried my best to be okay with England doing well or at least be ambivalent but the media circus makes it so hard.
We get a lot of stick for being anti-English or whatever but it isn't that- the over-saturation of England coverage through *British* media makes the world cup slightly less enjoyable than it should be because it lacks honesty, objectivity and integrity and feels a bit antagonistic and nasty. It's everyone's world cup not just England's and this is something English fans can't appreciate because they never experience what it is like to be a casual observer of a world cup through the eyes of British media, so they just put it down to some sort of hate.
So yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of reasonable England fans out there and I would be totally happy for them but when it comes to the likes of Lineker and Danny Murphy I would actually enjoy seeing the bubble burst, although it actually may not this year with the way the draw has gone...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 2:38:19 GMT
If only matty taylor had stayed at rovers then it just might have been him taking that decisive penalty.
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Post by Gasshole on Jul 6, 2018 4:23:12 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. Batesy feel free to give yourself an uppercut, in fact I insist you do. Fck the Clowns at the FA, just enjoy it with the rest of us waterants.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 6, 2018 5:11:01 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. One of the most bizarre threads, question and post in Gaschat history. I can't believe people are dignifying it with a response to the question.
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Post by gasheadbatesy on Jul 6, 2018 5:33:16 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. One of the most bizarre threads, question and post in Gaschat history. I can't believe people are dignifying it with a response to the question. Like you just did 😂. I’ve tried for years to enjoy England but I just can’t. It just doesn’t excite me, it does quite the opposite in fact.
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 6, 2018 5:43:07 GMT
One of the most bizarre threads, question and post in Gaschat history. I can't believe people are dignifying it with a response to the question. Like you just did 😂. I’ve tried for years to enjoy England but I just can’t. It just doesn’t excite me, it does quite the opposite in fact. No, I didn't actually respond to the question with an answer like others have. I was pointing out what a ridiculous thread it is. I can understand in the past as England teams were very predictable and boring with a lack of passion. But surely that is more reason to support this lot! We have a manager and set of players that are making me feel a way about the national team, that I haven't felt in about 20 years!!! Now get behind the lads and roar them to victory because it's bloody coming home!!!!
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Post by puregas on Jul 6, 2018 6:10:48 GMT
What a strange country we live in, that people can feel like this.
Nowhere else in the world!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 6:22:37 GMT
I'm Welsh and personally will be glad once the hype has blown over. I had a lot of English friends rooting for Wales against portugal in the euros so this year I have tried my best to be okay with England doing well or at least be ambivalent but the media circus makes it so hard. We get a lot of stick for being anti-English or whatever but it isn't that- the over-saturation of England coverage through *British* media makes the world cup slightly less enjoyable than it should be because it lacks honesty, objectivity and integrity and feels a bit antagonistic and nasty. It's everyone's world cup not just England's and this is something English fans can't appreciate because they never experience what it is like to be a casual observer of a world cup through the eyes of British media, so they just put it down to some sort of hate. So yeah, I'm sure there are a lot of reasonable England fans out there and I would be totally happy for them but when it comes to the likes of Lineker and Danny Murphy I would actually enjoy seeing the bubble burst, although it actually may not this year with the way the draw has gone... Do you think everyone in England enjoyed the over saturation of coverage when Wales' one man team had their one lucky tournament in 2016? Any team that does well in a World Cup will see the home media and fans go a bit over the top, especially when they've not had a massive amount of success in recent years. I used to to support all the home nations but that has long gone now with the anti-English sentiment coming from the other home nations which is a shame. Bring on a referendum for England to go independent
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 6:31:57 GMT
Sometimes between 2000 and 2016 I just didn't care. After so many disappointments I lost faith in the England team. I never wanted them to lose, but when they inevitably did, I was ready for it and just accepted how crap they were compared with how good they should be. This squad and manager are radically different. They aren't the golden generation that promised so much and delivered so little. They don't seem to freeze in the big games. Southgate has surprised me. I wasn't delighted when he was appointed, but he has surprised me in the way he handles the players and the media. The players seem to step up and perform, and I can't imagine any of them huffing and puffing off the pitch moaning about the fans booing them. So no, I don't want them to fail. That period was a great disappointment, particularly 2002 to 2006 when you had a side including Neville, A Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Bedkham, Scholes, Lampard, Rooney and Owen. They under achieved although they did get to three quarter finals which we haven't improved upon yet and were unlucky to go out on pens. We could have easily gone out v Columbia on pens. The problem with that side IMO was the manager. If we had a Robson, Venables or Hoddle managing that group of players I'm convinced we could have won something - Sven was awful. The players never wanted that golden generation tag, it was actually a Scot we gave them that - Adam Crozier the then FA Chief Exec.
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Post by pucklegas on Jul 6, 2018 6:34:39 GMT
Don’t understand anyone wishing us to fail, If England win the feel good factor will be massive cmon England 😂
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 6, 2018 6:58:36 GMT
I can't imagine any other country in the world would want their national team to lose.
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Post by faggotygas on Jul 6, 2018 7:03:28 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. The FA aren't a bad corporation, in my opinion. There are a lot of good people there, especially if you go down to local FA level. If you've done any work in grassroots football, you would know that.
Higher up they allow themselves to be bullied by the big clubs, and there's a few at that level that are too close to those clubs. They are scared about the power of those clubs to break the system by creating their own associations. The real 'bad corporations', imo, are those clubs.
The FA have done a lot of good work in the last 10 or 15 years regarding coaching and player pathways, and we are starting, I believe, to see the fruit of that. The much-derided St George's Park project has been brilliant for English football.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 7:09:55 GMT
Was 16 in 1966 and can concur about the feel good factor after our triumph. Although not enamoured about the Premier league and it's overpaid players, would certainly not wish for our national team to lose. Hope the FA will invite the remaining players from the 66 squad to the final if we are able to reach it on this occasion UTG and come on England!
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Post by darkbluegas on Jul 6, 2018 7:31:02 GMT
I can understand the other home nations not wanting England to suceeed. It's the rivalry that makes football what it is. Lots of Scotland fans feel the same about England as we do about Cy. A noisy big flash wealthy neighbour who endlessly talk about past successes and their perceived greatness.
The Dutch hate the Germans in football the Argentinians hate the Brazilians. So what. As a Rovers fan I can understand non English people's perceptions of England just insert C@#y and that's how it seems
The hype by our media is mad. I can understand how the non English being subjected to it feel. England haven't beaten anyone in play yet or scored a goal in open play other than Tunisia and Panama. Yet the media would suggest England are on the verge of world domination.
England have an opportunity to reach a world cup final without beating a top ten world ranked side or in fact a team that won its qualifying group. Sweden and Croatia had to go through the play offs. At the moment the press and BBC have done the Swedish managers team talk for him. England are apparently wondering whether Croatia or Russia is the easier semi final!!!
With the resources available England should have a historic world cup record similar to Italy. I think with the way money in the FA is going they may well do in decades to come.
England fans should enjoy this great chance but don't think anyone outside of England cares.
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Post by e4bandrobinstubbs on Jul 6, 2018 7:43:57 GMT
There are certain parallels between supporting the Gas and supporting England. We cheer on both and we rejoice (go mental) in the victories, but all the time there is that knot in the stomach which says there is some pain just around the corner. But we don't give up. On the question of England, look back in history at how many times we've been shafted by the opposition's dangermen because we stood back like wombles and let them ply their trade (remember Suarez in Brazil, remember Tomas Brolin, remember Gerd Muller (twice) etc etc). Also, look back at England's abject failures in the past and align them with the state of our economy/national well-being. Funny how things were always sh*t at the same time. Now look at Spain. Been in the dumps since the 2008 crisis as a country, yet the Spanish national team has been so successful throughout that period! Why can't we show more grit ? It's understandable that some folk are not confident about our future success, and want it over ASAP. Anyway, back to tomorrow - Sweden are another bogey for us (along with Iceland, Germany, Brazil, France....). BUT Southgate is doing a magnificent job, as is HK, so COME ON YOU ENGLAND. We can do this.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 8:08:09 GMT
I can understand the other home nations not wanting England to suceeed. It's the rivalry that makes football what it is. Lots of Scotland fans feel the same about England as we do about C&#y. A noisy big flash wealthy neighbour who endlessly talk about past successes and their perceived greatness. The Dutch hate the Germans in football the Argentinians hate the Brazilians. So what. As a Rovers fan I can understand non English people's perceptions of England just insert C@#y and that's how it seems The hype by our media is mad. I can understand how the non English being subjected to it feel. England haven't beaten anyone in play yet or scored a goal in open play other than Tunisia and Panama. Yet the media would suggest England are on the verge of world domination. England have an opportunity to reach a world cup final without beating a top ten world ranked side or in fact a team that won its qualifying group. Sweden and Croatia had to go through the play offs. At the moment the press and BBC have done the Swedish managers team talk for him. England are apparently wondering whether Croatia or Russia is the easier semi final!!! With the resources available England should have a historic world cup record similar to Italy. I think with the way money in the FA is going they may well do in decades to come. England fans should enjoy this great chance but don't think anyone outside of England cares. Do we endlessly talk about past successes and greatness? There is obviously hype and hope when we head in to tournaments which gets ramped up if we progress. No nation is any different but the vast majority of the time, particularly the past 15 years, a far larger proportion of talk is very negative and constantly putting ourselves down.
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Post by northoftheriver on Jul 6, 2018 8:28:14 GMT
Loving the World Cup but I just want England to fail. Won’t get a good response, no doubt, but I’m being honest. Our f.a fail us lower league teams without 2nd thought and I find it really hard to support a really bad corporation that spills over and we pay the price. Imagine the snake taking that last pen (never going to happen). Be honest: would you hope he missed? I would. Wow - what a special place you must be ha... You're one of those i hope we don't go up types - cause it will be hard and we may be bottom 6 hahaha... (bet you have a prem team - Liverpool, man u, man c ..spurs...keep you happy in life ha) England & Rovers my only love in football - no matter what, I do not turn that loyal following on or off based on the what results or the FA are doing. I would watch and love Rovers on the Downs or from the streets if i had to. England no matter this tournament or some of the pony we have seen over the years get my support and passion and to point thats (football, rugby, cricket etc..) Your thought process is a typical of some gas head and it shows in a past post (England to win WC or Rovers to get promotion) WOW - The only answer to that is I WANT BOTH - and i go into every tournament or leagues season want and dreaming of just those things.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2018 10:10:12 GMT
Sometimes between 2000 and 2016 I just didn't care. After so many disappointments I lost faith in the England team. I never wanted them to lose, but when they inevitably did, I was ready for it and just accepted how crap they were compared with how good they should be. This squad and manager are radically different. They aren't the golden generation that promised so much and delivered so little. They don't seem to freeze in the big games. Southgate has surprised me. I wasn't delighted when he was appointed, but he has surprised me in the way he handles the players and the media. The players seem to step up and perform, and I can't imagine any of them huffing and puffing off the pitch moaning about the fans booing them. So no, I don't want them to fail. That period was a great disappointment, particularly 2002 to 2006 when you had a side including Neville, A Cole, Terry, Ferdinand, Bedkham, Scholes, Lampard, Rooney and Owen. They under achieved although they did get to three quarter finals which we haven't improved upon yet and were unlucky to go out on pens. We could have easily gone out v Columbia on pens. The problem with that side IMO was the manager. If we had a Robson, Venables or Hoddle managing that group of players I'm convinced we could have won something - Sven was awful. The players never wanted that golden generation tag, it was actually a Scot we gave them that - Adam Crozier the then FA Chief Exec. For the record I didn't see Wales get anywhere near the coverage that England get even after England had been knocked out. Was there anyone doing montage videos of what life would be like if Wales won the euros for example? If you can give me an example of OTT coverage of Wales then I would be interested to hear it although judging by the chip you appear to have on your shoulder just showing Wales games at all would probably be enough for you to think that Wales is being given biased treatment
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Post by darkbluegas on Jul 6, 2018 10:38:42 GMT
I can understand the other home nations not wanting England to suceeed. It's the rivalry that makes football what it is. Lots of Scotland fans feel the same about England as we do about Cy. A noisy big flash wealthy neighbour who endlessly talk about past successes and their perceived greatness. The Dutch hate the Germans in football the Argentinians hate the Brazilians. So what. As a Rovers fan I can understand non English people's perceptions of England just insert C@#y and that's how it seems The hype by our media is mad. I can understand how the non English being subjected to it feel. England haven't beaten anyone in play yet or scored a goal in open play other than Tunisia and Panama. Yet the media would suggest England are on the verge of world domination. England have an opportunity to reach a world cup final without beating a top ten world ranked side or in fact a team that won its qualifying group. Sweden and Croatia had to go through the play offs. At the moment the press and BBC have done the Swedish managers team talk for him. England are apparently wondering whether Croatia or Russia is the easier semi final!!! With the resources available England should have a historic world cup record similar to Italy. I think with the way money in the FA is going they may well do in decades to come. England fans should enjoy this great chance but don't think anyone outside of England cares. Do we endlessly talk about past successes and greatness? There is obviously hype and hope when we head in to tournaments which gets ramped up if we progress. No nation is any different but the vast majority of the time, particularly the past 15 years, a far larger proportion of talk is very negative and constantly putting ourselves down. As I said its past successes and "perceived" greatness. Don't you think people outside of England really couldn't give two stuffs about 1966 and all that. Do you think C#£y fans see themselves as a gobby flash neighbour living on past glories. It's just a matter of perception. From my experience the English abroad earn little respect and our place in the world has been much deminished in recent years. Our rivalry with the our home country neighbours is a strange relationship born out of domination and power of the English. My point was England fans should celebrate any success but don't be surprised when other nations either don't like or respect the English in the process
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