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Post by slam on Jul 23, 2018 11:55:16 GMT
Keith Brookman was as much a part of the Bristol Rovers quirky story as the "famous blue and white quarters" and "Goodnight Irene".
I don;t know what has gone on behind the scenes but, if any of this is true, then he is a very very sad loss, and it could and should have been avoided. Clubs like ours have to have respect for our history - no matter what!!!!!. KB was actually one of our success stories (especially with regard to the year on year awards for the matchday program).
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Post by bs10er on Jul 23, 2018 11:56:15 GMT
I trust TG though hes made a great impact at the club As it stands we dont know anything so pointless speculation Not pointless speculation. I've given some of the details on other threads. The programme was put out to tender by TG with zero consultation with Keith. A new company was chosen to design, produce & print the award winning programme, but still no news of whether it will get sorted out. The previous designer, of long standing, was told of this by email. This is not the way any company should work, especially BRFC. After 21 years Keith offered resignation but asked to wait to see if board meeting could help. Today it's official.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 23, 2018 11:56:19 GMT
Trouble is Wael's hired hands will come and go and do their jobs just for the money, Keith did so much extra just because he loved the club. Loose people like Keith and the club starts to loose its soul. Exactly what I've been trying to warn against. Sorry for not being clearer before. You get the society you deserve and if you want a club like this, then well done, we've got it now. well as no one would tell us what the f**k is/was going on, not a lot any of us could do about it
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 11:58:25 GMT
Exactly what I've been trying to warn against. Sorry for not being clearer before. You get the society you deserve and if you want a club like this, then well done, we've got it now. So how did you think your (vague) warnings would have helped? And how have we deserved this by not acting on your (frankly unintelligible) warnings? Life isn't perfect. Ok, maybe not great wording. Just very frustrated at this entire episode. Feel free to tell them what you think now then. The rest is bull sh** really.
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 12:00:46 GMT
Exactly what I've been trying to warn against. Sorry for not being clearer before. You get the society you deserve and if you want a club like this, then well done, we've got it now. well as no one would tell us what the f**k is/was going on, not a lot any of us could do about it
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I said sorry. Not an easy situation. Tell em what you think now then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:01:08 GMT
Trouble is Wael's hired hands will come and go and do their jobs just for the money, Keith did so much extra just because he loved the club. Loose people like Keith and the club starts to loose its soul. Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:01:54 GMT
That's another £3 of my money the club will not be getting if this is true They have also lost out on pastie and drink money because they are so poor/overpriced Keep it up Rovers and you will soon lose my season ticket money and i will stick to ifollow...
I expect production costs will increase....expect a price rise.
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 12:02:42 GMT
Exactly what I've been trying to warn against. Sorry for not being clearer before. You get the society you deserve and if you want a club like this, then well done, we've got it now. Get over yourself. Change HAS to happen. It sounds like the club is moving quicker than some people can deal with (either mentally or physically). Everyone hates change, especially when that change comes from someone who has only been here for 9 months, even though that change is ultimately fantastic for the club. There you go...
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Post by A Source (aka Angry Badger) on Jul 23, 2018 12:05:00 GMT
I have showed both non gas and non football fans the programme. Overwhelming response was it had stuff to read. Plenty of stuff for everyone. Would be nice to see how many we sell compared to other clubs who just use it for advertising. Could - unfortunately - Just be cost. If there's more money in filling the pages with ads regardless of income from sales maybe that is why this has happened. Will soon see when I buy my next programme. If the standard has slipped they'll lose my £3 plus the extra pint I can squeeze in as I get there early enough to read most of it
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Post by bs10er on Jul 23, 2018 12:05:39 GMT
If anyone thinks this the way ahead and changes happen,think again. Keith should have been consulted do you not think? Surely after all the good work he has put in over the years making the programme what it is,he deserved that. People like Keith are long term GASHEADS,unlike others who just see it as a job until they move on.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:05:53 GMT
Trouble is Wael's hired hands will come and go and do their jobs just for the money, Keith did so much extra just because he loved the club. Loose people like Keith and the club starts to loose its soul. Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism. Well I'm glad your not my friend or employer with that attitude to good and loyal staff member.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:06:47 GMT
Exactly what I've been trying to warn against. Sorry for not being clearer before. You get the society you deserve and if you want a club like this, then well done, we've got it now. Get over yourself. Change HAS to happen. It sounds like the club is moving quicker than some people can deal with (either mentally or physically). Everyone hates change, especially when that change comes from someone who has only been here for 9 months, even though that change is ultimately fantastic for the club. It is not fantastic for the club to treat a long serving employee with no class or respect. If they treat a long serving employee like that you have to wonder what consideration will be given to long term fans. Replaced by the prawn sandwich brigade within 5 years no doubt.
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 12:10:09 GMT
Trouble is Wael's hired hands will come and go and do their jobs just for the money, Keith did so much extra just because he loved the club. Loose people like Keith and the club starts to loose its soul. Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism. So 21 years, and Head of Media means not professional? And the dept has grown under him & made lots of positive changes. The videos you like The interviews you like The website you read The twitter you follow The programme you & hospitality people read The gasheads in there who get birthday greetings, get well soon messages, even death notices The charity items organised The local events advertised Where did all that come from? The catering dept? Fair enough to have a different opinion but totally ignoring evidence is a strange way to firm a rational opinion. How exactly does losing staff, volunteers & an award winning programme mean moving us forward?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:11:16 GMT
Get over yourself. Change HAS to happen. It sounds like the club is moving quicker than some people can deal with (either mentally or physically). Everyone hates change, especially when that change comes from someone who has only been here for 9 months, even though that change is ultimately fantastic for the club. It is not fantastic for the club to treat a long serving employee with no class or respect. If they treat a long serving employee like that you have to wonder what consideration will be given to long term fans. Replaced by the prawn sandwich brigade within 5 years no doubt. No they will all have watered off long before 5 years are gone...
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Post by peterparker on Jul 23, 2018 12:11:57 GMT
well as no one would tell us what the f**k is/was going on, not a lot any of us could do about it
We aren't all plugged into the Rovers Matrix
I said sorry. Not an easy situation. Tell em what you think now then. I would be disappointed if what has been said is true (and not doubting anyone) but there is only one side of the story so far.
Have a lot of time for Keith, for all the work he has done and help when I wrote for the programme.
Whatever has happened, first and foremost best of luck to him. I would like to hear from the club though
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:14:52 GMT
Trouble is Wael's hired hands will come and go and do their jobs just for the money, Keith did so much extra just because he loved the club. Loose people like Keith and the club starts to loose its soul. Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism. If those employees are under performing then yes, there should be no room for sentiment- yet the area under his remit was winning awards! What more can the man do (and what marginal gains can his replacements muster) to perform his role to a high standard? We are starting the slide into turning into a corporate entity like City- they too got rid of a long standing media man who went out of his way for supporters. I remember thinking "at least Rovers are not as bad as that....". How wrong was I! It seems to be all or nothing with these people, change for changes sake with 'evolution' used as the excuse. If the guy is doing a good job then there should be no harm at all in keeping some continuity with local people who have been with the club for many years offering a balance with more corporate aspects. Bristol Rovers will soon be a club operated from Jordan that has nothing Bristolian about it apart from the the ground being in Horfield.
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 12:18:31 GMT
I have showed both non gas and non football fans the programme. Overwhelming response was it had stuff to read. Plenty of stuff for everyone. Would be nice to see how many we sell compared to other clubs who just use it for advertising. Could - unfortunately - Just be cost. If there's more money in filling the pages with ads regardless of income from sales maybe that is why this has happened. Will soon see when I buy my next programme. If the standard has slipped they'll lose my £3 plus the extra pint I can squeeze in as I get there early enough to read most of it Just to be clear. Don't get confused with possibly not having a printed programme. That may happen, and that decision may be taken to save printing costs and to stop giving programme sellers a ticket for the match in appreciation for standing for several hours to sell for the club. BUT even if that happens it has nothing to do with tendering the contract for design and print without consulting. Of course things change, and I guess clubs will eventually stop printed programmes, but it would be a collective decision wouldn't it?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2018 12:19:59 GMT
well as no one would tell us what the f**k is/was going on, not a lot any of us could do about it
We aren't all plugged into the Rovers Matrix
I said sorry. Not an easy situation. Tell em what you think now then. But it's too late now!! The time to have put the pressure on was before the board meeting surely?? That's why I got so frustrated last week! I think you will struggle to find a Gashead who doesn't think KB has/had a lot to offer the club and would be someone with standing up for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:39:43 GMT
Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism. Well I'm glad your not my friend or employer with that attitude to good and loyal staff member. I won't lose any sleep, trust. To clarify, I'm not glad to see Keith go. He did a great job over the years and deserves total respect for that. I'm gutted if he's been treated as some have suggested. However I'm simply saying that the club stands to benefit from bringing in professional expertise from other areas and we shouldn't be frightened of change.
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Post by simon1883 on Jul 23, 2018 12:43:46 GMT
Perhaps losing all these people with deep affiliation to the club is a price we will have to pay for evolution.... He is not the first long standing person to be let go and wont be the last....
I'm not sure if I like it or not...
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