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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 12:44:27 GMT
I said sorry. Not an easy situation. Tell em what you think now then. But it's too late now!! The time to have put the pressure on was before the board meeting surely?? That's why I got so frustrated last week! I think you will struggle to find a Gashead who doesn't think KB has/had a lot to offer the club and would be someone with standing up for. Fair enough mate. I didn't realise it had got that bad, so board meeting came up too fast to say anything. Thought it would get sorted out. Didn't think anyone 'stands up' for good people anymore. 🤗
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:47:38 GMT
I hate this side of Rovers. Whenever we hear of someone leaving. All the political BS. No one at the club is immortal. Times change
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 23, 2018 12:48:23 GMT
Well I'm glad your not my friend or employer with that attitude to good and loyal staff member. I won't lose any sleep, trust. To clarify, I'm not glad to see Keith go. He did a great job over the years and deserves total respect for that. I'm gutted if he's been treated as some have suggested. However I'm simply saying that the club stands to benefit from bringing in professional expertise from other areas and we shouldn't be frightened of change. there will presumably be a commercial reason for the change. Either they expect more revenue or they need to reduce costs. If it makes the club more sustainable then it's a shame that Keith couldn't hold his resignation to see what the future looked like and whether he could fit in but I get why he would resign if he feels a lack of consultation. A wise man once said to me people don't resent change, they resent being changed. Still, as a supporter, knowing how close we were to folding when run on good will and loans and haemorrhaging money, any move to sustainability is important to ensure my boy grows up with a Bristol Rovers to support
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 12:53:08 GMT
Keith clearly did a great job for the club for a long time and deserves the upmost respect for going above and beyond. However I don't have a real problem with Wael and co bringing in established professionals with no emotional attachment to the club rather than relying on volunteers who put the hours in due to their love for the club. I don't agree with the idea that the soul of the club is put at risk either. We've long complained about how far behind the club has been in so many areas so I applaud any effort to move us forward with professionalism. So 21 years, and Head of Media means not professional? And the dept has grown under him & made lots of positive changes. The videos you like The interviews you like The website you read The twitter you follow The programme you & hospitality people read The gasheads in there who get birthday greetings, get well soon messages, even death notices The charity items organised The local events advertised Where did all that come from? The catering dept? Fair enough to have a different opinion but totally ignoring evidence is a strange way to firm a rational opinion. How exactly does losing staff, volunteers & an award winning programme mean moving us forward? The point I'm making is that a club with a turnover of £6m shouldn't be relying on people 'doing extra because they love the club' as the OP suggested. What was absolutely evident during the previous regime is that they lacked professional steer in many areas, including commercially. It's refreshing to see the likes of TG come in and freshen things up and surely it's hard to argue that the club aren't taking strides forward? A new bar, refurbished shop, sponsorship tapping into new markets, stadium screen etc aren't huge but they are a good start. The evidence is that Wael's helping hands are making a positive impact. To clarify, I'd be really sorry to see KB leave the club and he's clearly been an asset. I'm not a programme reader but I'm willing to trust those who regularly commend it for being a great read.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2018 12:59:12 GMT
But it's too late now!! The time to have put the pressure on was before the board meeting surely?? That's why I got so frustrated last week! I think you will struggle to find a Gashead who doesn't think KB has/had a lot to offer the club and would be someone with standing up for. Fair enough mate. I didn't realise it had got that bad, so board meeting came up too fast to say anything. Thought it would get sorted out. Didn't think anyone 'stands up' for good people anymore. 🤗 Fair point. Most probably don't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 13:02:22 GMT
So 21 years, and Head of Media means not professional? And the dept has grown under him & made lots of positive changes. The videos you like The interviews you like The website you read The twitter you follow The programme you & hospitality people read The gasheads in there who get birthday greetings, get well soon messages, even death notices The charity items organised The local events advertised Where did all that come from? The catering dept? Fair enough to have a different opinion but totally ignoring evidence is a strange way to firm a rational opinion. How exactly does losing staff, volunteers & an award winning programme mean moving us forward? The point I'm making is that a club with a turnover of £6m shouldn't be relying on people 'doing extra because they love the club' Best point on here
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Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 13:04:07 GMT
I won't lose any sleep, trust. To clarify, I'm not glad to see Keith go. He did a great job over the years and deserves total respect for that. I'm gutted if he's been treated as some have suggested. However I'm simply saying that the club stands to benefit from bringing in professional expertise from other areas and we shouldn't be frightened of change. there will presumably be a commercial reason for the change. Either they expect more revenue or they need to reduce costs. If it makes the club more sustainable then it's a shame that Keith couldn't hold his resignation to see what the future looked like and whether he could fit in but I get why he would resign if he feels a lack of consultation. A wise man once said to me people don't resent change, they resent being changed. Still, as a supporter, knowing how close we were to folding when run on good will and loans and haemorrhaging money, any move to sustainability is important to ensure my boy grows up with a Bristol Rovers to support He did hold his resignation. Literally did. And this hasn't happened all in a week or a month.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 23, 2018 13:06:45 GMT
there will presumably be a commercial reason for the change. Either they expect more revenue or they need to reduce costs. If it makes the club more sustainable then it's a shame that Keith couldn't hold his resignation to see what the future looked like and whether he could fit in but I get why he would resign if he feels a lack of consultation. A wise man once said to me people don't resent change, they resent being changed. Still, as a supporter, knowing how close we were to folding when run on good will and loans and haemorrhaging money, any move to sustainability is important to ensure my boy grows up with a Bristol Rovers to support He did hold his resignation. Literally did. And this hasn't happened all in a week or a month. but felt he couldn't continue in the end. It happens in all businesses trust me. Maybe we will hear from the man himself? Or have we already?
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Post by BishopstonBRFC on Jul 23, 2018 13:07:21 GMT
I fully expect Keith Brookman to splash the dirt with his book " Rovers, the magic years " It will be a short book judging by the title.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jul 23, 2018 13:09:56 GMT
I fully expect Keith Brookman to splash the dirt with his book " Rovers, the magic years " It will be a short book judging by the title. lol true. Better title '50 shades of sh**e' by Keith Brookman
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 13:15:52 GMT
Fair enough mate. I didn't realise it had got that bad, so board meeting came up too fast to say anything. Thought it would get sorted out. Didn't think anyone 'stands up' for good people anymore. 🤗 Fair point. Most probably don't. They will if there is a business need to do so. Sadly, good people and the (perceived) needs of the business all too often make strange bedfellows.
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Post by stigofthegas on Jul 23, 2018 13:41:21 GMT
Keith did a massive amount other that being the Programme Editor. He was a bit of a fixer for the players - if they wanted or needed anything then Keith would sort it.
A perfect example of this was on the way back from Yeovil on Saturday. Keith wasn't there, and so there wasn't any post match food arranged for the players. They had to stop at Asda on the way back and buy some sandwiches.
Keith was and will remain a Rovers legend. You can easily hire another programme editor, you won't easily replace what Keith did.
As for his commentary, I always thought he was very reluctant to criticize the players and management. Perhaps now he is not so close he will be better as he will say what he thinks. I hope so.
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Post by cj on Jul 23, 2018 13:47:35 GMT
I wonder if the club will go digital with programmes instead. Saves printing costs of course and if they set up a subscription for it too, say for the same cost of £3.
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Post by pirate on Jul 23, 2018 13:49:57 GMT
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Post by Gas Go Marching In on Jul 23, 2018 13:50:27 GMT
I wonder if the club will go digital with programmes instead. Saves printing costs of course and if they set up a subscription for it too, say for the same cost of £3. @roadman might know more. Think I seen something about his company doing the programmes now.
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Post by cj on Jul 23, 2018 14:09:29 GMT
Thanks for this. Not seen it before. I appreciate that. Cheers. Some interesting info in that.
States sales have declined in recent seasons but it still makes a profit although not a huge one. Wonder if this is why the club have decided to try something different to try and boost revenue?
Also states they have considered online but decided against it and committed to a printed version and will be printed and designed by Curtis Sport, who are based in Aldridge in the West Midlands. It will have 4 less pages for this coming season but have less advertising pages. Would have thought they would have tried more adverts to get revenue that way, so I am surprised.
Its good though that they recognise the evidence that people still regard the programme as an integral part of the matchday experience and believe that the publication provides excellent value for money. So, based on the info supplied today by UTG12, reading this bit, I would have thought Keith would have been treated better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 14:36:59 GMT
Thanks for this. Not seen it before. I appreciate that. Cheers. Some interesting info in that.
States sales have declined in recent seasons but it still makes a profit although not a huge one. Wonder if this is why the club have decided to try something different to try and boost revenue?
Also states they have considered online but decided against it and committed to a printed version and will be printed and designed by Curtis Sport, who are based in Aldridge in the West Midlands. It will have 4 less pages for this coming season but have less advertising pages. Would have thought they would have tried more adverts to get revenue that way, so I am surprised.
Its good though that they recognise the evidence that people still regard the programme as an integral part of the matchday experience and believe that the publication provides excellent value for money. So, based on the info supplied today by UTG12, reading this bit, I would have thought Keith would have been treated better.
It makes even less sense if they are cutting down on advertising. The existing content was considered good enough to win awards, in other words it is better content than anyone else produces so they think they can boost sales by improving on that content? Good luck with that. You are going to need it.
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Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2018 14:49:18 GMT
Just a quick thought, what about the rest of the "Production Team" Keith can't be the only one doing the programme ? People like Mike Jay and Mo ?
Any news on them
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 15:02:34 GMT
Just a quick thought, what about the rest of the "Production Team" Keith can't be the only one doing the programme ? People like Mike Jay and Mo ? Any news on them Mike Jay said Keith resigned reluctantly and is upset that the Club took the editing of programme away from him without consultation. Can't imaging some corporate editor who produces generic programmes will do as good a job as Keith but new bosses always have to have new ideas and it gives them something to add to their CVs when they move on usually after a couple of years.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 15:06:35 GMT
Hugely disappointed to hear this news. When my father, a Rovers fan of over 70 years, died in 2014, Keith could not have been more kind in putting something about his passing in the next programme at very short notice. My Dad loved the Gas and the club’s family values. If he was still alive he’d really struggle to understand what direction the club is now being taken in, how, and by whom.
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