|
Post by knowall on Jul 23, 2018 17:45:26 GMT
To advertise in the new programme Only a full page advert now is allowed costing £2700.00. Absolute Madness. I was offered better rates at the other club south of the river.......... red leg
|
|
|
Post by gasstrictband on Jul 23, 2018 17:49:11 GMT
RED RAG.
|
|
|
Post by dinsdale on Jul 23, 2018 17:51:43 GMT
Nothing at all against Keith and this is aimed more generally at the rapid changes happening at BRFC. My whole life we have been a rag bag lower league team always a bad season away from potentially going under. For all the heroics performed by volunteers and supporters groups we have gone absolutely nowhere in my 30 plus years as a fan.
Im not saying the new lot are going to deliver succeas but at least doing something different gives us a chance where as sitting still doesnt.
No more chicken basket cabaret, same play list for twenty years djing amateur hour. Its the 21st century lets be different and dare to dream. There will be painfull departures and ends to eras but there will be new things to experience and a new future to write
|
|
|
Post by knowall on Jul 23, 2018 17:57:14 GMT
Nothing at all against Keith and this is aimed more generally at the rapid changes happening at BRFC. My whole life we have been a rag bag lower league team always a bad season away from potentially going under. For all the heroics performed by volunteers and supporters groups we have gone absolutely nowhere in my 30 plus years as a fan. Im not saying the new lot are going to deliver succeas but at least doing something different gives us a chance where as sitting still doesnt. No more chicken basket cabaret, same play list for twenty years djing amateur hour. Its the 21st century lets be different and dare to dream. There will be painfull departures and ends to eras but there will be new things to experience and a new future to write No matter what the situation people must be dealt with good grace
|
|
|
Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2018 18:02:02 GMT
I was offered better rates at the other club south of the river.......... red leg Never in a million years would i post in that pile of crap even if they paid me to do so
|
|
|
Post by Henbury Gas on Jul 23, 2018 18:04:06 GMT
Nothing at all against Keith and this is aimed more generally at the rapid changes happening at BRFC. My whole life we have been a rag bag lower league team always a bad season away from potentially going under. For all the heroics performed by volunteers and supporters groups we have gone absolutely nowhere in my 30 plus years as a fan. Im not saying the new lot are going to deliver succeas but at least doing something different gives us a chance where as sitting still doesnt. No more chicken basket cabaret, same play list for twenty years djing amateur hour. Its the 21st century lets be different and dare to dream. There will be painfull departures and ends to eras but there will be new things to experience and a new future to write I hope to god your you are right but the club needs to communicate to the fans WTF is going on or sack the Media manager for failing.... oh wait
|
|
|
Post by toddy1953 on Jul 23, 2018 18:51:50 GMT
I have only had dealings with KB on one occasion & I must say I found him to be an absolute gentleman, a credit to the club.
That said, do people really think that because he is a gentleman & because he has worked for the club for 21 years, that the club should consult him about 'outsourcing' the Matchday programme? I worked for a company for over 20 years, gave fantastic service & made them loads of money, but one day they told me that in X number of weeks part of my role was to be outsourced & that they would be replacing those duties with something else. Now I expect others might know more on employment law than I do, but the fact was that although I didn't like it, my employer had done nothing illegal they didn't need my consent to outsource (had they asked me I would have said I didn't agree with it.) Now, if the club has acted illegally or KB is going to sue I the club for constructive dismissal , then that's a different matter, but if he has resigned because the club didn't consult him about outsourcing part of his role, then that's up to him surely & thank you KB for your years of service. I have lots to gripe about this board but unless anyone can come up with any concrete facts to the contrary this is nothing more than social media hysteria because a nice bloke has (may have) resigned from his job!
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 19:00:46 GMT
I have only had dealings with KB on one occasion & I must say I found him to be an absolute gentleman, a credit to the club. That said, do people really think that because he is a gentleman & because he has worked for the club for 21 years, that the club should consult him about 'outsourcing' the Matchday programme? I worked for a company for over 20 years, gave fantastic service & made them loads of money, but one day they told me that in X number of weeks part of my role was to be outsourced & that they would be replacing those duties with something else. Now I expect others might know more on employment law than I do, but the fact was that although I didn't like it, my employer had done nothing illegal they didn't need my consent to outsource (had they asked me I would have said I didn't agree with it.) Now, if the club has acted illegally or KB is going to sue I the club for constructive dismissal , then that's a different matter, but if he has resigned because the club didn't consult him about outsourcing part of his role, then that's up to him surely & thank you KB for your years of service. I have lots to gripe about this board but unless anyone can come up with any concrete facts to the contrary this is nothing more than social media hysteria because a nice bloke has (may have) resigned from his job! From what has been stated he was informed by email. They don't have a duty to get his input on operational decisions but you would think he would be told in person of any changes especially after so many years service. Was there also any attempt to utilise his skills in another capacity? It would be daft, imo, to lose someone who did his job so capably and loved the employer he worked for without at least seeking a compromise.
|
|
|
Post by matealotblue on Jul 23, 2018 19:24:00 GMT
Bit confused here....someone says he wasn’t consulted and someone in an earlier part of this thread says he was informed by email about these changes. Which one is it?
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2018 19:38:42 GMT
I have only had dealings with KB on one occasion & I must say I found him to be an absolute gentleman, a credit to the club. That said, do people really think that because he is a gentleman & because he has worked for the club for 21 years, that the club should consult him about 'outsourcing' the Matchday programme? I worked for a company for over 20 years, gave fantastic service & made them loads of money, but one day they told me that in X number of weeks part of my role was to be outsourced & that they would be replacing those duties with something else. Now I expect others might know more on employment law than I do, but the fact was that although I didn't like it, my employer had done nothing illegal they didn't need my consent to outsource (had they asked me I would have said I didn't agree with it.) Now, if the club has acted illegally or KB is going to sue I the club for constructive dismissal , then that's a different matter, but if he has resigned because the club didn't consult him about outsourcing part of his role, then that's up to him surely & thank you KB for your years of service. I have lots to gripe about this board but unless anyone can come up with any concrete facts to the contrary this is nothing more than social media hysteria because a nice bloke has (may have) resigned from his job! Irrespective of whether or not the club has acted lawfully it seems a pretty sh**ty thing to do especially as the part of the work KB has done has actually been one of the bright spots of the last 15 years of sh**.
|
|
|
Post by Antonio Fargas on Jul 23, 2018 19:40:05 GMT
Bit confused here....someone says he wasn’t consulted and someone in an earlier part of this thread says he was informed by email about these changes. Which one is it? How are these contradictory?
|
|
|
Post by Hugo the Elder on Jul 23, 2018 19:42:03 GMT
Bit confused here....someone says he wasn’t consulted and someone in an earlier part of this thread says he was informed by email about these changes. Which one is it? How are these contradictory? Wasn't consulted on change. Was told of said change by email after change made.
|
|
|
Post by chilly1883 on Jul 23, 2018 20:04:30 GMT
Thanks for your service keith👍, but the club is hopefully moving in a more professional direction, I personally think it’s long overdue. 21 years service, at any workplace, is admirable. But fingers crossed, we’re on the up.
|
|
|
Post by mesiryesyou on Jul 23, 2018 20:16:47 GMT
Thanks for your service keith👍, but the club is hopefully moving in a more professional direction, I personally think it’s long overdue. 21 years service, at any workplace, is admirable. But fingers crossed, we’re on the up. More professional? The Pirate has won countless awards for being the best, his commentary on games will be missed even more. His knowledge of the players and banter well I will leave it there. It basically should never have happened by email, but that is the crap modern world for you.
|
|
|
Post by chilly1883 on Jul 23, 2018 20:31:43 GMT
I’m not condoning, email sackings, pretty spineless, my professional comments were about the club as a whole. The program was decent, but I certainly won’t miss his commentary. Just my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 20:47:12 GMT
Hugely disappointed to hear this news. When my father, a Rovers fan of over 70 years, died in 2014, Keith could not have been more kind in putting something about his passing in the next programme at very short notice. My Dad loved the Gas and the club’s family values. If he was still alive he’d really struggle to understand what direction the club is now being taken in, how, and by whom. A perfect illustration. Not only of why Keith was special but also why the previous designer (Ann Walter) and Printer (pensord) went above the call of duty (and payment) to do late changes.
|
|
|
Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 20:51:24 GMT
I think people understand that. Well I do anyway. I think the issue for a lot of people on here is how Keith was treated in the process. He has been there for over 20 years and I guess you have seen many examples where he has gone above and beyond his call of duty. He has been a great servant for the club and got the program winning awards. And instead of consulting with Keith about any possible changes they just sent him an email telling him whats happening. Don't you think Keith deserves better? So again, I can see what the club is doing and it is refreshing seeing us make changes and trying to improve everything everywhere. To me, its all positive. But the club need to go around doing it in a better fashion and with more respect because thats what upset people with how they treated Keith with this change. Sounds like Keith left and wasn't sacked and sounds like he left purely down to the treatment he received. With all due respect....how do we know how he was treated in the process? Serious question. Neither KB or the club have made any statement on this at all. All we have to go on, as far as I am aware, is what is being said/speculated on here. Unless I am missing something. I doubt Keith will say anything. Not his nature. No medals or jumping employers for him. Doubt club will say anything more that KB has resigned.
|
|
|
Post by BrightonGas on Jul 23, 2018 20:54:00 GMT
I’m not condoning, email sackings, pretty spineless, my professional comments were about the club as a whole. The program was decent, but I certainly won’t miss his commentary. Just my opinion. I will miss his commentary
|
|
|
Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 20:59:53 GMT
Just a quick thought, what about the rest of the "Production Team" Keith can't be the only one doing the programme ? People like Mike Jay and Mo ? Any news on them Mo has resigned her voluntary job of being the go between Keith & the programme contributors. She did it for basically the same 21 years Keith did. Mo has been involved with rovers for many decades. Mike Jay is a contributor (previous editor) and has said he's thinking about whether to continue. 20+ other contributors. No word from club on how they are producing programme except TG is organising it.
|
|
|
Post by utg12 on Jul 23, 2018 21:14:49 GMT
I remember some big shot at McDonald's coming out once and saying 'they told us they wanted healthier options. They lied.' They had spent a lot on trying to change the image and the menu because of the drive of their customers to become more healthy and after all that what did people really want? The same old stuff they always did. It's funny. Not related to Keith personally but it does make me wonder a little whether we are like those customers. Hate the way it is ragbag Rovers and all that but the minute anyone changes anything we are all like Whoa there! We want our Rovers back and nonsense like that. People seem to be making out it is all or nothing - I would say the real skill in evolution is modernising the club but still retaining the good bits about what it was before so there is continuity and the club retains some of it's identity beyond the name, badge and the kit. I get the feeling that this is not the first and won't be the last club that TG gives the scorched earth treatment to and when he has moved on to his 3rd or 4th club from now I wonder if the fans who are left behind will be asking who Bristol Rovers really are anymore? Someone gets it. That is the point. change is fine but a good employee takes people with them, not helps get rid of them. TG is already on his 4th football club - FACT. He'll be gone as soon as he can. And so will part of Rovers. DC instilled moral leadership and dragged up from the pit. Now its going off the pitch.
|
|