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Post by peterparker on Jan 19, 2019 7:36:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 11:10:48 GMT
Shhhhhh It's the easiest transition ever....isn't that what leavers told us??
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 14:19:12 GMT
Shhhhhh It's the easiest transition ever....isn't that what leavers told us?? Did they? I can’t recall that but would be grateful if you could provide a link.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 19, 2019 14:26:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 15:28:53 GMT
Thanks for the link. And that’s coming from a man who actually has dealings with the EU and knows how they operate. Mind blowing. This whole debacle should open the eyes of the British people on two fronts. 1. Just how much our political parties are alike in their failures to put the British people they represent first. 2. Why we should not be part of the EU.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 19, 2019 16:44:06 GMT
Thanks for the link. And that’s coming from a man who actually has dealings with the EU and knows how they operate. Mind blowing. This whole debacle should open the eyes of the British people on two fronts. 1. Just how much our political parties are alike in their failures to put the British people they represent first. 2. Why we should not be part of the EU. In what way does it validate point 2?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 18:57:06 GMT
Thanks for the link. And that’s coming from a man who actually has dealings with the EU and knows how they operate. Mind blowing. This whole debacle should open the eyes of the British people on two fronts. 1. Just how much our political parties are alike in their failures to put the British people they represent first. 2. Why we should not be part of the EU. In what way does it validate point 2? The way the EU have conducted talks From start to finish is more than a valid point. People should not underestimate the contempt for the EU. It’s not just our politicians that people have women up to. Those that needed to that is. The wrong people have handled this exit, obviously, but Mays plan will come back to haunt her big time I hope.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jan 19, 2019 19:14:28 GMT
In what way does it validate point 2? The way the EU have conducted talks From start to finish is more than a valid point. People should not underestimate the contempt for the EU. It’s not just our politicians that people have women up to. Those that needed to that is. The wrong people have handled this exit, obviously, but Mays plan will come back to haunt her big time I hope. The article was how Liam Fox had failed to get any trade deals ready after Brexit. His promise was not achieved. His brief is separate to the WA May is trying to get through. Even if the other nations are waiting to understand how we leave there is no reason why he could not have agreed same terms with a view to renegotiate in due course, even if it was time limited. The EU has no direct influence over his terms of reference. If I was being cynical I would suggest he is backing May because of the transition terms to cover his own failings.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jan 19, 2019 19:40:07 GMT
In what way does it validate point 2? The way the EU have conducted talks From start to finish is more than a valid point. People should not underestimate the contempt for the EU. It’s not just our politicians that people have women up to. Those that needed to that is. The wrong people have handled this exit, obviously, but Mays plan will come back to haunt her big time I hope. Mays plan is to f**k it up so bad, there is no Brexit.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jan 19, 2019 19:48:59 GMT
The way the EU have conducted talks From start to finish is more than a valid point. People should not underestimate the contempt for the EU. It’s not just our politicians that people have women up to. Those that needed to that is. The wrong people have handled this exit, obviously, but Mays plan will come back to haunt her big time I hope. Mays plan is to f**k it up so bad, there is no Brexit. Hooray!! She's a success again!!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 20:46:17 GMT
The way the EU have conducted talks From start to finish is more than a valid point. People should not underestimate the contempt for the EU. It’s not just our politicians that people have women up to. Those that needed to that is. The wrong people have handled this exit, obviously, but Mays plan will come back to haunt her big time I hope. The article was how Liam Fox had failed to get any trade deals ready after Brexit. His promise was not achieved. His brief is separate to the WA May is trying to get through. Even if the other nations are waiting to understand how we leave there is no reason why he could not have agreed same terms with a view to renegotiate in due course, even if it was time limited. The EU has no direct influence over his terms of reference. If I was being cynical I would suggest he is backing May because of the transition terms to cover his own failings. Apologies, I have now read it properly!! Shocking and like you said, it appears like he is backing May to cover his own failings as, surely, being non EU countries he was supposed to be negotiating with, it was a case of reiterating/tweaking a deal that is already in place?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 21:25:48 GMT
The article was how Liam Fox had failed to get any trade deals ready after Brexit. His promise was not achieved. His brief is separate to the WA May is trying to get through. Even if the other nations are waiting to understand how we leave there is no reason why he could not have agreed same terms with a view to renegotiate in due course, even if it was time limited. The EU has no direct influence over his terms of reference. If I was being cynical I would suggest he is backing May because of the transition terms to cover his own failings. Apologies, I have now read it properly!! Shocking and like you said, it appears like he is backing May to cover his own failings as, surely, being non EU countries he was supposed to be negotiating with, it was a case of reiterating/tweaking a deal that is already in place? Only if the other party is willing? Which in itself was a huge assumption. Let's be honest. This just another example of the bravado, hubris and outright bollox spouted by the leave campaign. Add in Johnson caught lying through his teeth yesterday over Turkish immigration, Gove now in hiding and muttering about "Winters Coming" and they are exposed. Of course they are all covered by the madwoman in No10, who must be the most deluded person in UK politics.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:22:52 GMT
Apologies, I have now read it properly!! Shocking and like you said, it appears like he is backing May to cover his own failings as, surely, being non EU countries he was supposed to be negotiating with, it was a case of reiterating/tweaking a deal that is already in place? Only if the other party is willing? Which in itself was a huge assumption. Let's be honest. This just another example of the bravado, hubris and outright bollox spouted by the leave campaign. Add in Johnson caught lying through his teeth yesterday over Turkish immigration, Gove now in hiding and muttering about "Winters Coming" and they are exposed. Of course they are all covered by the madwoman in No10, who must be the most deluded person in UK politics. I agree to an extent Oldie, I can’t believe I said that! It’s been one mass charade from the start. If I ever bump into David Cameron in Devon I will throttle him on sight.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2019 22:48:57 GMT
Only if the other party is willing? Which in itself was a huge assumption. Let's be honest. This just another example of the bravado, hubris and outright bollox spouted by the leave campaign. Add in Johnson caught lying through his teeth yesterday over Turkish immigration, Gove now in hiding and muttering about "Winters Coming" and they are exposed. Of course they are all covered by the madwoman in No10, who must be the most deluded person in UK politics. I agree to an extent Oldie, I can’t believe I said that! It’s been one mass charade from the start. If I ever bump into David Cameron in Devon I will throttle him on sight. You would be in a queue. I just hope upon hope we don't damage our economy beyond medium term repair. It's down to this now, scoring points over who said what doesn't matter. We need to get on board on one ship to sort it out.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 20, 2019 6:38:02 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 7:32:48 GMT
This was covered a few pages back. It is something to do with Leasing Aircraft. Hardly a show stopper.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 20, 2019 7:47:31 GMT
This was covered a few pages back. It is something to do with Leasing Aircraft. Hardly a show stopper. just goes to highlight not as simple as people keep saying though ad Liam Fox is obviously finding
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Post by peterparker on Jan 20, 2019 7:56:03 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2019 12:34:46 GMT
Its surreal how these people are trying to cover their tracts. However in this case, the headline deflects from the fact that he is saying the same thing as always, BUT with the caveat that not leaving at all is a potential on the horizon. So he will vote for May's ludicrous proposition if it's a binary choice between Remain and her proposition, but will vote leave with no deal if it's binary between no deal and her proposition. If you can pick an intellectual commitment out of that, one that argues what's best for the UK, well, actually you cannot. This bloke is a fraud wrapped in a cloak of his own perception of respectability.
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Post by peterparker on Jan 20, 2019 12:47:37 GMT
Its surreal how these people are trying to cover their tracts. However in this case, the headline deflects from the fact that he is saying the same thing as always, BUT with the caveat that not leaving at all is a potential on the horizon. So he will vote for May's ludicrous proposition if it's a binary choice between Remain and her proposition, but will vote leave with no deal if it's binary between no deal and her proposition. If you can pick an intellectual commitment out of that, one that argues what's best for the UK, well, actually you cannot. This bloke is a fraud wrapped in a cloak of his own perception of respectability. Its a ridiculous position. He prefers no deal over May's deal, but prefers May's deal over no BREXIT. On the face of it, understandable, apart from the fact this shyster and others have said May's deal would make us a rule taker. So on that premise, No BREXIT is better as we at least have influence. Meanwhile whilst changing his position on TMs deal, he is also denying the leave population, what we keep getting told they want
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