Brexit - The Final Reckoning

Well, Mohamed may have been given those papers by the government, but if he rocks up for an interview for a job as a Car Mechanic, one of the first things they will ask is what qualifications does he have. He may say he worked as a Car Mechanic in Kabul, but without the necessary documentation, he cannot be employed. If, at the same time, there are say three other applicants with the correct qualifications, who do you think will be last on the list?

As I've said before, the resources being thrown at the immigrants is staggering. There are many many free training courses available, free language courses etc etc, but there has to be some willing from those it is intended for, and that is the main ingredient that is missing. If you've come from an African country, where you were earning feck all, and now you have a free 500 euro per month apartment, plus 400 euro spending money, plus free everything else (furniture, healthcare, bikes, everything) then why would you need to work? Our Western mindset says that work brings you rewards. Most of these immigrants have, in their eyes, these rewards already.

It's easy to say you disagree, but I am just describing the reality of the situation.

This report is from 2016 (Reuters) but it is still relevant....You will see numbers in this report. 63 here, 190 there.......don't forget the official number is 1.5 million, with 10,000 more arriving every month !

"Top German companies say refugees not ready for job market



* Top 30 companies can point to just 63 confirmed hires



* Firms blame weak German, lack of proven qualifications



* Hopes fade that refugee influx will solve skills shortage



* Bosses to face questions from Merkel at Berlin meeting



By Georgina Prodhan



FRANKFURT, Sept 14 (Reuters) - Germany’s blue-chip companies will have to explain to Chancellor Angela Merkel on Wednesday why they have managed to hire fewer than 100 refugees after around a million arrived in the country last year.


Merkel, fighting for her political life over her open-door policy, has summoned the bosses of some of Germany’s biggest companies to Berlin to account for their lack of action and exchange ideas about how they can do better.



Many of the companies say a lack of German-language skills, the inability of most refugees to prove any qualifications, and uncertainty about their permission to stay in the country mean there is little they can do in the short term.



A survey by Reuters of the 30 companies in Germany’s DAX stock market index found they could point to just 63 refugee hires in total. Several of the 26 firms who responded said they considered it discriminatory to ask about applicants’ migration history, so they did not know whether they employed refugees or how many.



Of the 63 hires, 50 are employed by Deutsche Post DHL , which said it applied a “pragmatic approach” and deployed the refugees to sort and deliver letters and parcels.



“Given that around 80 percent of asylum seekers are not highly qualified and may not yet have a high level of German proficiency, we have primarily offered jobs that do not require technical skills or a considerable amount of interaction in German,” a spokesman said by email.



What is clear is that early optimism that the wave of migrants could boost economic growth and help ease a skills shortage in Germany - where the working-age population is projected to shrink by 6 million people by 2030 - is evaporating.



“The employment of refugees is no solution for the skills shortage,” industrial group Thyssenkrupp’s Chief Executive Heinrich Hiesinger said during a visit by the German president earlier this month.

APPRENTICESHIP BARRIERS

Most large German companies, especially those in manufacturing, prefer to hire through structured apprenticeship programmes, in which they train young people for up to four years for highly skilled and sometimes company-specific jobs.



But the recent arrivals from Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan and elsewhere are mainly ill-prepared for such training, they say.



The DAX companies surveyed by Reuters were able to identify 190 apprentices in this or last year’s intake.



Many will have been through months of pre-training especially designed for migrants by large companies like engineering group Siemens, Mercedes maker Daimler or automotive technology firm Continental.



Two Syrian interns whom Reuters visited at a Siemens power-plant construction site in April applied for apprenticeships but were turned down because they could not sufficiently prove their school-leaving qualifications. One is now doing temporary work in IT and the other is taking further German classes.



It’s simply too soon to expect large numbers of refugees to have been hired yet, most German companies say.



“Our experience is that it takes a minimum of 18 months for a well trained refugee to go through the asylum procedure and learn German at an adequate level in order to apply for a job,” said a spokeswoman for Deutsche Telekom, which plans to take on about 75 refugees as apprentices this year but has not made a permanent hire.



Others among Germany’s top listed companies, mainly in the financial or airline sectors, say it is practically impossible for them to take on refugees at all. They cite regulatory reasons such as the need for detailed background checks on staff.



‘TOTALLY MOTIVATED’

Many large companies see the main benefits of the migrant influx as an opportunity to introduce more diversity into their workforce and to bring their staff into personal contact with refugees. More than 1,000 internships have been offered by the companies surveyed by Reuters.



“Refugees working at SAP are totally motivated, and this motivates our colleagues to support them,” Uli Joos, project leader for refugees at Europe’s biggest software company SAP , told Reuters in an interview.



Reuters visited SAP five months ago to meet then-intern Somar Abraham, a Syrian refugee who arrived in Germany in 2013 with a university degree from his homeland in computer systems engineering. He has since been hired for a full-time job, along with four other refugees.



About 346,000 people with asylum status were seeking jobs in Germany in August, according to the latest figures from the German Labour Office, up from 322,000 in July and 297,000 in June, the first month for which it published such statistics.



Economists say that most refugees who have found employment are in the services sector, often in smaller companies or in smaller towns and cities to which refugees are dispersed under a strict German formula for allocating new arrivals according to the wealth and population of states and districts.



“Obviously, in the low-skilled segment, mobility is low, Germans often won’t go very far to find a low-skilled job. Now you have these refugees on your doorstep,” said Thomas Liebig, an economist at the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development who has specialised in migration for the past 15 years.



“Will Germany manage?” he said, referring to Merkel’s mantra “We can do this.” “There’s basically not a choice. The people are here.”

Reuters

I know it upsets some but here is an article from the London School of Economics, based upon a research paper out of Warwick University. .

Seems to back up my point about the recession, austerity and the Leave vote.

blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/did-austerity-cause-brexit/

Umm, London School of Economics, writing about a research paper from Warwick University?
Umm, yes. Empirical Evidence.

Empirical definition

based on, concerned with, or verifiable by observation or experience rather than theory or pure logic.

The paper was written at Warwick.
Burn the books I hear, bloody subversive.

PM May.......she's toast isn't she. I think she is only seeing now what many people have been saying since the start of the Brexit negotiations, and that is the EU does want to punish the UK. It does want the UK economy to crash and burn. They will turn down practically every proposal put their way, unless it's something so laughable they can't refuse, like the 39 billion 'divorce settlement'. The EU politicians don't care about any damage caused to EU industry/jobs etc. All they care about is the European Project, and nothing must come in the way of that, including people.
After yesterday, she should just tell them that there will be no more proposals put forward, and that we will leave using WTO rules. Just walk away. My personal opinion is that business leaders in the EU will put so much pressure on the EU politicians that they would have to return to the negotiating table.

You just cannot have another vote. If Leave win again, then we are still in the same position. If Remain win, then there must be a third vote granted. How many votes do you want?
Parliament voted for the Referendum, both Tory and Labour MP's by a overwhelming majority.
Tory, Labour and Lib Dems had a Referendum in their Manifesto's.
In the last Election, both main parties promised to recognise the Leave vote in their Manifesto's.
Parliament voted to send the Article 50 letter.
More importantly, we have already had a People's Vote. The result was to leave the EU.
A second vote will spell the end of Democracy as we know it. Why ever trust a politician again? If the next General Election is close, do we have another after six months just because 'people didn't know what they were voting for the first time', or 'the politicians lied to us' ? Be serious.

If it's lies that concern you, then the very first Referendum in the 70's, that took us into the Common Market, was based on lies that have since emerged. The public were conned then.

Leave on WTO rules. Use the 39 billion to fund improvements in the UK. Don't forget, if we walk away we don't pay the 39 billion to the EU. Their words, "nothing is agreed until everything is agreed".

Onwards and Upwards. Adapt, improvise and overcome.

But if the second vote is to Leave, then we are in exactly the same position as we are now!
If the second vote is to Remain, then by definition there has to be a third vote ! You cannot just say that the second vote is the final one if the decision is to Remain. What will it be, best of three votes, best of five? That's ridiculous.
What if one of the restrictions on Remaining is that the UK joins the Euro? Will we then hear shouts that "people voted Remain, but they didn't understand the implications? Nobody mentioned that we'd have to join the Euro"!

General Election and a Hung Parliament, then we will still be where we are now.

The people have voted and we should move on and exit the EU. Parliament has to realise that it has a duty to perform the task that has been set for it by the People. The problem is not leaving the EU, but to get Parliament to understand that it HAS to perform to the wishes of the People.