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Post by Marshy on Oct 17, 2018 12:42:46 GMT
It's all crap. Negotiated by crap. We'll end up with crap. Then the crap will all go off to their Tuscan holiday homes and leave us in the crap. Great. Have a crap life being British. That sounds like a load of crap to me.
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Post by baggins on Oct 17, 2018 12:45:31 GMT
It's all crap. Negotiated by crap. We'll end up with crap. Then the crap will all go off to their Tuscan holiday homes and leave us in the crap. Great. Have a crap life being British. That sounds like a load of crap to me. You wouldn't know crap if you crapped in your hat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 12:56:25 GMT
C'mon Stuart, don't start with that chlorinated chicken nonsense. A Free Trade Deal does not mean that the US can sell anything they want in the UK. Any goods/foods etc still have to meet the Market Standards for which it's intended, therefore, if chlorinated chicken does not meet the UK Standards, the US cannot sell it in the UK. That applies to any market anywhere in the world. It was a okay on word with regards to the pound of flesh reference. For what it is worth I agree that emotive phrases including the 'privatisation of the NHS'is unhelpful. With regards to standards, isn't part of the benefit of leaving is that we can do things our own way? If we choose to loosen some areas and accept different standards (not necessary but including lower) then that is a good thing? The timing of this intervention by the States (Trump) is interesting. When we leave the EU, which I presume we will, we will be free from the constraints of product quality and agreed standards guaranteed by the rule of law. I for one and extremely nervous over dealing with the States when the President and lawmakers have torn down previous equivalent standards in their own country. Also, they present with a President who appears to believe each negotiation is a personal matter, one where he feels he can walk away from, tear up if he doesn't like it, or use the economic might of the States to bully potential partners into agreements that are not in the best interests of populations of the countries involved. Make no mistake. This whole populist trend has been hijacked by groups who have never accepted constraints imposed by democratically elected governments. This is the Friedrich Hayek (Austrian) school of thought, the bible of Thatcher and Reagan, a path so rudely blocked by Clinton, Blair and Schroeder. Back with a vengeance, populism has given them the path. Make no mistake, they view any intervention in a totally free market as a social evil. That's why they hate the EU so much. Make no mistake, I say this as a free marketeer who believes with some passion that wealth has to be created to allow distribution. BUT, not at the cost of the environment, not at the cost of human dignity, not without the umbrella of the rule of law accessible to all members of society.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 15:36:57 GMT
That sounds like a load of crap to me. You wouldn't know crap if you crapped in your hat. Bags - did you get a bad pint down the pub lunchtime?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 15:38:17 GMT
It was a okay on word with regards to the pound of flesh reference. For what it is worth I agree that emotive phrases including the 'privatisation of the NHS'is unhelpful. With regards to standards, isn't part of the benefit of leaving is that we can do things our own way? If we choose to loosen some areas and accept different standards (not necessary but including lower) then that is a good thing? The timing of this intervention by the States (Trump) is interesting. When we leave the EU, which I presume we will, we will be free from the constraints of product quality and agreed standards guaranteed by the rule of law. I for one and extremely nervous over dealing with the States when the President and lawmakers have torn down previous equivalent standards in their own country. Also, they present with a President who appears to believe each negotiation is a personal matter, one where he feels he can walk away from, tear up if he doesn't like it, or use the economic might of the States to bully potential partners into agreements that are not in the best interests of populations of the countries involved. Make no mistake. This whole populist trend has been hijacked by groups who have never accepted constraints imposed by democratically elected governments. This is the Friedrich Hayek (Austrian) school of thought, the bible of Thatcher and Reagan, a path so rudely blocked by Clinton, Blair and Schroeder. Back with a vengeance, populism has given them the path. Make no mistake, they view any intervention in a totally free market as a social evil. That's why they hate the EU so much. Make no mistake, I say this as a free marketeer who believes with some passion that wealth has to be created to allow distribution. BUT, not at the cost of the environment, not at the cost of human dignity, not without the umbrella of the rule of law accessible to all members of society. Why do you assume that UK standards will be lower?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 16:04:38 GMT
The timing of this intervention by the States (Trump) is interesting. When we leave the EU, which I presume we will, we will be free from the constraints of product quality and agreed standards guaranteed by the rule of law. I for one and extremely nervous over dealing with the States when the President and lawmakers have torn down previous equivalent standards in their own country. Also, they present with a President who appears to believe each negotiation is a personal matter, one where he feels he can walk away from, tear up if he doesn't like it, or use the economic might of the States to bully potential partners into agreements that are not in the best interests of populations of the countries involved. Make no mistake. This whole populist trend has been hijacked by groups who have never accepted constraints imposed by democratically elected governments. This is the Friedrich Hayek (Austrian) school of thought, the bible of Thatcher and Reagan, a path so rudely blocked by Clinton, Blair and Schroeder. Back with a vengeance, populism has given them the path. Make no mistake, they view any intervention in a totally free market as a social evil. That's why they hate the EU so much. Make no mistake, I say this as a free marketeer who believes with some passion that wealth has to be created to allow distribution. BUT, not at the cost of the environment, not at the cost of human dignity, not without the umbrella of the rule of law accessible to all members of society. Why do you assume that UK standards will be lower? I do not. My impression is ours are right up there. What I fear is that under the current regime in America any trade deal we do will force the UK to accept standards and terms that our not to our benefit. You may recall Trump in the summer complaining about the price we pay for American sourced medicines. He complained that it was unfair because we bought in bulk, under one centralised authority. The irony being completely lost on the.....twat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 18:32:07 GMT
Just to make the point. As sure as night follows day Trump withdraws from postal treaty in new front against China flip.it/ttCEU1So we go into the big bad world post EU, aiming to do deals with this prick, the Chinese whose surveillance of their own people makes Orwells 1984 look like a Sunday school trip. And they steal intellectual property. Always, Japan. Oh we have that with the EU. Canada...oh ditto. Remind me again why we are doing this? Christ on a bike.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 19:13:52 GMT
Just to make the point. As sure as night follows day Trump withdraws from postal treaty in new front against China flip.it/ttCEU1So we go into the big bad world post EU, aiming to do deals with this prick, the Chinese whose surveillance of their own people makes Orwells 1984 look like a Sunday school trip. And they steal intellectual property. Always, Japan. Oh we have that with the EU. Canada...oh ditto. Remind me again why we are doing this? Christ on a bike. Eh? You are saying that China is bad, which I agree with, yet you call Trump a prick because he is facing up to them! Make your mind up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 19:32:32 GMT
Just to make the point. As sure as night follows day Trump withdraws from postal treaty in new front against China flip.it/ttCEU1So we go into the big bad world post EU, aiming to do deals with this prick, the Chinese whose surveillance of their own people makes Orwells 1984 look like a Sunday school trip. And they steal intellectual property. Always, Japan. Oh we have that with the EU. Canada...oh ditto. Remind me again why we are doing this? Christ on a bike. Eh? You are saying that China is bad, which I agree with, yet you call Trump a prick because he is facing up to them! Make your mind up. He is no different Nobby. He just lacks subtlety.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 21:22:38 GMT
Guess who controls the financial markets. This game is in play now. US threatens to block European banks from exchanges over Brexit derivatives deal flip.it/2jGCUG
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2018 22:06:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 6:08:38 GMT
Guess who controls the financial markets. This game is in play now. US threatens to block European banks from exchanges over Brexit derivatives deal flip.it/2jGCUGNah, you don't understand Oldie. Do you know anything about Mifid or mifid2? In the article, the US guy says that he is willing to travel anywhere, anytime, to sort this problem out. The issue is with the stream of nonsense coming out of the EU regarding Trading and the Markets in the last ten years. CCP (Central Counterparty Clearing) has been a nightmare as well, with CCP being yet another EU directive. He is not trying to control anything. If you understand what is happening, it is the EU that is trying to control the markets, which he has problems with.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 6:12:15 GMT
<iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.940000000000055px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53849734" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1431px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16508514" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66076133" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1431px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_32433468" scrolling="no"></iframe> No, we don't lose anything. Read it again. Some Civil Servants need to up their game I think. " The U.K. failed to provide requested information and updates related to its proposal to become part of the World Trade Organization’s 46-nation Government Procurement Agreement, said the official, who asked not to be identified because discussions are ongoing. Despite the setback, there was broad support to find a way to keep the U.K. in the accord." If I were a teacher Oldie, I'd mark your report with, "must try harder".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 6:59:53 GMT
Guess who controls the financial markets. This game is in play now. US threatens to block European banks from exchanges over Brexit derivatives deal flip.it/2jGCUGNah, you don't understand Oldie. Do you know anything about Mifid or mifid2? In the article, the US guy says that he is willing to travel anywhere, anytime, to sort this problem out. The issue is with the stream of nonsense coming out of the EU regarding Trading and the Markets in the last ten years. CCP (Central Counterparty Clearing) has been a nightmare as well, with CCP being yet another EU directive. He is not trying to control anything. If you understand what is happening, it is the EU that is trying to control the markets, which he has problems with. Yes I know. The EU is making a grab for this bit of business dominated by London. Forgetting the technicalities this about politics and control. London is approved by the Americans and they turn a blind eye to the money laundering that goes on there, unless of course they decide nobody can trade with certain countries. Used to make me laugh, I use to make international payments out of London and Every time I use to get the same script. Alongs the lines of,....and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU..do you understand and accept this? At which point (until I got bored) I always said..you mean the Americans. It was always yes, so let's not pretend that international finance as we know it is solely under the jurisdiction of the executive we voted for.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:03:51 GMT
<iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.940000000000055px; height: 3.8799999999999955px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none;left: 15px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_53849734" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1431px; top: -5px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_16508514" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 15px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_66076133" scrolling="no"></iframe> <iframe width="29.940000000000055" height="3.8799999999999955" style="position: absolute; width: 29.94px; height: 3.88px; z-index: -9999; border-style: none; left: 1431px; top: 134px;" id="MoatPxIOPT0_32433468" scrolling="no"></iframe> No, we don't lose anything. Read it again. Some Civil Servants need to up their game I think. " The U.K. failed to provide requested information and updates related to its proposal to become part of the World Trade Organization’s 46-nation Government Procurement Agreement, said the official, who asked not to be identified because discussions are ongoing. Despite the setback, there was broad support to find a way to keep the U.K. in the accord." If I were a teacher Oldie, I'd mark your report with, "must try harder". Leaving the jibes aside, I struggled to believe that we, the UK, could be so incompetent for that reason given to be true. Then of course I reflected upon who has been in power (sort of) for the last ten years. Of course the only reason we have to do this is because I believe we were previously covered under the EU umbrella. Then I hear that the Government are hiring, allegedly, 16000 civil servants to deal with Brexit; and issues like this I presume. He'll of a dividend that.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:12:04 GMT
Nah, you don't understand Oldie. Do you know anything about Mifid or mifid2? In the article, the US guy says that he is willing to travel anywhere, anytime, to sort this problem out. The issue is with the stream of nonsense coming out of the EU regarding Trading and the Markets in the last ten years. CCP (Central Counterparty Clearing) has been a nightmare as well, with CCP being yet another EU directive. He is not trying to control anything. If you understand what is happening, it is the EU that is trying to control the markets, which he has problems with. Yes I know. The EU is making a grab for this bit of business dominated by London. Forgetting the technicalities this about politics and control. London is approved by the Americans and they turn a blind eye to the money laundering that goes on there, unless of course they decide nobody can trade with certain countries. Used to make me laugh, I use to make international payments out of London and Every time I use to get the same script. Alongs the lines of,....and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU..do you understand and accept this? At which point (until I got bored) I always said..you mean the Americans. It was always yes, so let's not pretend that international finance as we know it is solely under the jurisdiction of the executive we voted for. "and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU" I think you are a bit naive Oldie. Are you aware that nearly all new Trading Platforms either just released, or being constructed, are based on a twenty-three hour opening cycle? No longer 8am to 6pm Trading? This is to accommodate trading around the world. All Trading platforms are electronic. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, or what time zone you are in, you can still trade, day and night. With this 'globalization' of trading, then yes, you will cross various regulatory bodies, that cannot be avoided. So, if you are sending money to Singapore, then yes, it will be reported to the relevant authorities in Singapore. And your problem with that is? My source: Working for a major European Stock Exchange for the last nineteen years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:16:00 GMT
"I struggled to believe that we, the UK, could be so incompetent for that reason given to be true" - Well, if you don't believe it, then why did you post the link in an attempt to make it show your case is supported? You: I'll post this link to provide more evidence to support my argument. Me: I question your link. You: Don't worry, I don't believe what it says in the link. Me: Huh? ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:24:13 GMT
Yes I know. The EU is making a grab for this bit of business dominated by London. Forgetting the technicalities this about politics and control. London is approved by the Americans and they turn a blind eye to the money laundering that goes on there, unless of course they decide nobody can trade with certain countries. Used to make me laugh, I use to make international payments out of London and Every time I use to get the same script. Alongs the lines of,....and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU..do you understand and accept this? At which point (until I got bored) I always said..you mean the Americans. It was always yes, so let's not pretend that international finance as we know it is solely under the jurisdiction of the executive we voted for. "and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU" I think you are a bit naive Oldie. Are you aware that nearly all new Trading Platforms either just released, or being constructed, are based on a twenty-three hour opening cycle? No longer 8am to 6pm Trading? This is to accommodate trading around the world. All Trading platforms are electronic. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, or what time zone you are in, you can still trade, day and night. With this 'globalization' of trading, then yes, you will cross various regulatory bodies, that cannot be avoided. So, if you are sending money to Singapore, then yes, it will be reported to the relevant authorities in Singapore. And your problem with that is? My source: Working for a major European Stock Exchange for the last nineteen years. Nobby...As you know I have worked internationally for donkies. You completely miss the point. I was making a payment to a jurisdiction that had nothing to do with the Americans, and was not in any way using an American bank. Control Nobby, and if our banks don't comply they will be forced out of the American market. Or fined, or both. It's control Nobby. They have lost the moral high ground so now they use muscle.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 7:40:38 GMT
Meanwhile, back at the Ranch, our esteemed leader has returned from Brussels with no progress. Could be hanging on for another year, could stay in the Customs Union. Two years.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 8:00:08 GMT
"and this transaction will be noted and reported to relevant authorities, some of whom maybe outside the UK and the EU" I think you are a bit naive Oldie. Are you aware that nearly all new Trading Platforms either just released, or being constructed, are based on a twenty-three hour opening cycle? No longer 8am to 6pm Trading? This is to accommodate trading around the world. All Trading platforms are electronic. It doesn't matter where you are in the world, or what time zone you are in, you can still trade, day and night. With this 'globalization' of trading, then yes, you will cross various regulatory bodies, that cannot be avoided. So, if you are sending money to Singapore, then yes, it will be reported to the relevant authorities in Singapore. And your problem with that is? My source: Working for a major European Stock Exchange for the last nineteen years. Nobby...As you know I have worked internationally for donkies. You completely miss the point. I was making a payment to a jurisdiction that had nothing to do with the Americans, and was not in any way using an American bank. Control Nobby, and if our banks don't comply they will be forced out of the American market. Or fined, or both. It's control Nobby. They have lost the moral high ground so now they use muscle. I think you are getting a bit paranoid.
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