Brexit - The Final Reckoning

That has always been the case, no problems getting numbers for that part, but they will struggle to get the numbers for stage 2, the actual vote replace her.

Besides, who has an alternative which can
realistically get Cabinet then party support before getting a majority in both Houses.

As things stand there is no majority at any of those points.

Getting a deal with the EU is the easy part.

Sorry Nobby but I can't agree with any of those names creating a better team. Davies was the original Brexit minister, Stuart left the Commons at the last election, Farage is not an MP and went to ground after the result, and he would be too divisive along with JRM. All of those with perhaps the except of GS would leave the team (Davies did) if the deal wasn't what they wanted rather than compromise.

I said before that the negotiating team should have been delegated to a Parliamentary sub committee which would have had authority of Parliament.

The problem is that there is no desire in the HoC for either WTO or FTA, plus any bespoke deal cannot pass without Opposition backing.

Unless the negotiating team as comprised of ERG members then any inclusion of JRM would be divisive and would not represent Parliament which is the body that has to sign off a deal, after all we voted to bring back sovereignty.

I like GS and would be happy for her to be part of the team, Daniel Hannan would be more pragmatic and less divisive than NF.

The lawyer who drafted Article 50 himself said during the referendum that it was worded to make nations want to stay as leaving would be more harmful.

With regards to the EU's stance, they have been clear in that they have red lines. Why did Liam Fox say it will be the easiest trade deal in history?

Daniel Hannan would have been a good choice I agree. The point I'm trying to make is that May could have got a lot more MP's on her side if she had included some named MP's in the negotiations instead of relying on people like Olly Robbins.

This from the FT in 2017. For those who promote JRM, he actually proposed this as the way forward.
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As the weeks pass, so the ideas get sillier. One circulating among certain Brexiters at the moment is that the UK could gain the upper hand over the Ireland issue by simply leaving the Irish border open after Brexit, charging no tariffs and making no inspections, and dare the EU to be the first to put up customs posts.

Would this actually work in the real world? No, for many reasons. At the most it is likely to be a crude blame-shifting exercise aimed at getting the British public to point the finger at the Irish when the border inevitably goes up.

For a post-Brexit UK to charge no tariffs on imports from the EU would be a massive breach of the rules of the World Trade Organization, which operates on a “most-favoured nation” (MFN) principle of equal treatment. This can be overridden if two or more members sign a formal bilateral or regional trade agreement among themselves. But it will take years for the UK to agree a trade deal with the EU: Britain cannot simply pre-empt it by holding tariffs at zero from the off.

If the UK discriminates in this way, it will be vulnerable to widespread litigation in the WTO. This will come at a time when the UK is attempting to regularise its position in the organisation, in which it has hitherto been represented by the EU. The UK is dependent on the goodwill of other WTO members in the tricky question of splitting the EU’s existing commitments on food import quotas. It must also establish its position in the WTO’s government procurement agreement which gives its companies the right to bid for public tenders abroad. Arriving on the scene while creating one of the biggest breaches of WTO law in the organisation’s existence probably isn’t the way to get other countries on side.

Precisely.

I guess my point is that there can be no concessus on either binary option, either the Conservative Party won't unite and get it through or within Parliament. What May is trying to do is a bit of each but in turn disappoints all.

I cannot see where any deal whichever wing that pacifies most will be accepted unless Labour MPs break rank.

Go on then Stuart. Tell us about this masturbating on Daniel Hannan's alter 😃

Oldie does tend to spray the bullets around eh 😃.......now, where do I find the alter of JRM. I've a job to do.

Look backwards.
You will find it and the effete mantis that is JRM, lurking, nay skulking, in the bull rushes awaiting
coming chaos that will enable him to emerge.