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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 18, 2018 17:23:07 GMT
Multiple attempts at deflection I see. This coming from you!!! I nearly pised myself reading that. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 17:29:06 GMT
Multiple attempts at deflection I see. This coming from you!!! I nearly pised myself reading that. Have you learnt to read yet? If not go away and come back when you have something useful to contribute rather than just chase me around this forum like some pre pubescent child. Thank you. |
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Oct 18, 2018 17:34:08 GMT
This coming from you!!! I nearly pised myself reading that. Have you learnt to read yet? If not go away and come back when you have something useful to contribute rather than just chase me around this forum like some pre pubescent child. Thank you. See, you didn't even realise it, but you just proved my point. Lol. If you don't like people messaging you, may I suggest a forum probably isn't the best place for you. Deflect, deflect, then post some links.... |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 17:53:56 GMT
Have you learnt to read yet? If not go away and come back when you have something useful to contribute rather than just chase me around this forum like some pre pubescent child. Thank you. See, you didn't even realise it, but you just proved my point. Lol. If you don't like people messaging you, may I suggest a forum probably isn't the best place for you. Deflect, deflect, then post some links.... I think you are a very confused person. Nobody is messaging me, this is an open forum where points of view are discussed and debated. In the main we refrain from chasing each other around repeating the same thing, especially as you have done across different boards and topics, even chasing poor Oldgas who, In your paranoia you were convinced was me. So be a good man, leave me out of your thoughts and if you post, do try and stick to the topic under discussion. Hugo will help I am sure if you need any direction. |
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 18, 2018 17:56:55 GMT
Whatever people think the day we step out of the e e c will be a historic and joyful day for the U K
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 18, 2018 19:38:55 GMT
Well, I hope that Stuart doesn't have to yomp up some mountain to find his alter. He could find a nasty wind whipping around his nether region! Been there, done that. I climbed Mount Snowdon with my then 5 year old son strapped to my back. It was harder coming back down though. |
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Post by BrightonGas on Oct 18, 2018 19:40:32 GMT
Whatever people think the day we step out of the e e c will be a historic and joyful day for the U K Hi Midland! That happened in 1993 matey! Keep up! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2018 19:43:53 GMT
Whatever people think the day we step out of the e e c will be a historic and joyful day for the U K Hi Midland! That happened in 1993 matey! Keep up! Brighton It's symptomatic. |
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Post by aghast on Oct 18, 2018 21:13:04 GMT
I think Mrs May, who is a Remainer, is trying, and failing, to negotiate a deal whilst pretending she's a Leaver.
The EU negotiators know that, and they dismiss any tough talk because they know she doesn't mean it.
For me, the closer we stay to remaining in the EU is good news, but for those who voted out, and want the best possible deal for the UK, the wrong person is sitting at the table.
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Post by midlandgas213 on Oct 18, 2018 22:00:12 GMT
Whatever people think the day we step out of the e e c will be a historic and joyful day for the U K Hi Midland! That happened in 1993 matey! Keep up! Ok I will fall for it what was so important in 1993 that I've missed |
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Post by BrightonGas on Oct 18, 2018 22:23:29 GMT
Hi Midland! That happened in 1993 matey! Keep up! Ok I will fall for it what was so important in 1993 that I've missed EEC became the EU! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 4:41:53 GMT
Ok I will fall for it what was so important in 1993 that I've missed EEC became the EU! Without asking anyone! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 5:58:18 GMT
"French President Emmanuel Macron told Mrs May to "come back with a solution based on the necessary political compromise on the UK side" in order to achieve a deal."
These are not negotiations, just a list of demands from the EU. Walk away now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:05:59 GMT
Not quite Nobby. The Maastricht Treaty which led to the change was signed by our democratically elected government. We can't have a referendum on every decision a Government makes, but we can reverse it at the next General Election. After Major signed this his alt right went bananas and undermined him. In the 97 election the Labour Party had a more pro Europe leader than Major. The Alt Right had the opportunity to make their case. The Tories were kicked out, big time. Since then they, the Tories, have had a majority once in 18 years. And a tiny one at that. Post referendum they called another election and lost that majority. So in 26 years the alt right within the Tory Party has had multiple opportunities to make their case. The electorate, with the ability of multiple extended campaigns to consider, rejected them. They, the Alt Right, have no extensive support in the HoC. Once, during this period, the electorate decided to leave. I wonder why, the lies perhaps? So please stop pretending the electorate had no opportunity to alter government policy. It's just another false claim. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 19, 2018 6:11:07 GMT
Three referenda (Ireland, France and Denmark), our was signed off by Parliament where all three of the main parties had ratification in their 1992 GE manifestos. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:39:46 GMT
Not quite Nobby. The Maastricht Treaty which led to the change was signed by our democratically elected government. We can't have a referendum on every decision a Government makes, but we can reverse it at the next General Election. After Major signed this his alt right went bananas and undermined him. In the 97 election the Labour Party had a more pro Europe leader than Major. The Alt Right had the opportunity to make their case. The Tories were kicked out, big time. Since then they, the Tories, have had a majority once in 18 years. And a tiny one at that. Post referendum they called another election and lost that majority. So in 26 years the alt right within the Tory Party has had multiple opportunities to make their case. The electorate, with the ability of multiple extended campaigns to consider, rejected them. They, the Alt Right, have no extensive support in the HoC. Once, during this period, the electorate decided to leave. I wonder why, the lies perhaps? So please stop pretending the electorate had no opportunity to alter government policy. It's just another false claim. Who are these 'Alt Right' you keep referring to? WTF is 'Alt'? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:43:35 GMT
Three referenda (Ireland, France and Denmark), our was signed off by Parliament where all three of the main parties had ratification in their 1992 GE manifestos. The Lisbon Treaty was originally called the EU Constitution. Stuart is correct, in that all the countries that actually held a Referendum on the issue all returned a 'No' vote. The UK didn't bother with a referendum, which by law they had to hold to pass this legislation, because others had already voted 'No". The EU went away and re-named the Constitution and called it a Treaty. Treaties need no referendum's, therefore governments signed it off, depriving the electorate the chance to have a say. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 19, 2018 6:49:26 GMT
Three referenda (Ireland, France and Denmark), our was signed off by Parliament where all three of the main parties had ratification in their 1992 GE manifestos. The Lisbon Treaty was originally called the EU Constitution. Stuart is correct, in that all the countries that actually held a Referendum on the issue all returned a 'No' vote. The UK didn't bother with a referendum, which by law they had to hold to pass this legislation, because others had already voted 'No". The EU went away and re-named the Constitution and called it a Treaty. Treaties need no referendum's, therefore governments signed it off, depriving the electorate the chance to have a say. I was referring to Maastricht which formed the EU. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:50:10 GMT
Not quite Nobby. The Maastricht Treaty which led to the change was signed by our democratically elected government. We can't have a referendum on every decision a Government makes, but we can reverse it at the next General Election. After Major signed this his alt right went bananas and undermined him. In the 97 election the Labour Party had a more pro Europe leader than Major. The Alt Right had the opportunity to make their case. The Tories were kicked out, big time. Since then they, the Tories, have had a majority once in 18 years. And a tiny one at that. Post referendum they called another election and lost that majority. So in 26 years the alt right within the Tory Party has had multiple opportunities to make their case. The electorate, with the ability of multiple extended campaigns to consider, rejected them. They, the Alt Right, have no extensive support in the HoC. Once, during this period, the electorate decided to leave. I wonder why, the lies perhaps? So please stop pretending the electorate had no opportunity to alter government policy. It's just another false claim. Who are these 'Alt Right' you keep referring to? WTF is 'Alt'? You might disagree with my description of people, but the chronology is a matter of historical fact, and totally undermines your claim that nobody asked the electorate. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2018 6:50:48 GMT
The Lisbon Treaty was originally called the EU Constitution. Stuart is correct, in that all the countries that actually held a Referendum on the issue all returned a 'No' vote. The UK didn't bother with a referendum, which by law they had to hold to pass this legislation, because others had already voted 'No". The EU went away and re-named the Constitution and called it a Treaty. Treaties need no referendum's, therefore governments signed it off, depriving the electorate the chance to have a say. I was referring to Maastricht which formed the EU. Exactly. |
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