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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 19:49:48 GMT
WTO has 164 members. 20 objected. Do you reckon that the 20 who objected are EU countries by chance? Can't read the full article as it's behind a paywall. and just look at the sh**e write-up from the Remainer supporting Times. In the opening sentence, it says "nearly two dozen countries".....No, it is twenty countries, not nearly two dozen ! I heard one was Russia. No surprise there. But the real point is that this is a clusterfuck. In less than 5 months we leave. We have yet to secure a deal with the EU, on the face of it we are totally unprepared for the consequences and now we are not in the WTO club as a stand alone nation. It's an effing mess, and for what gain? Btw Nobby, 20 is closer to 24 than 12. Just saying like. And it's no point screaming at the press. Not even sure that the Murdoch empire is pro remain, the Sun is a virulent leave paper, owned by the same people. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 19:54:35 GMT
WTO has 164 members. 20 objected. Do you reckon that the 20 who objected are EU countries by chance? Can't read the full article as it's behind a paywall. and just look at the sh**e write-up from the Remainer supporting Times. In the opening sentence, it says "nearly two dozen countries".....No, it is twenty countries, not nearly two dozen ! I heard one was Russia. No surprise there. But the real point is that this is a clusterfuck. In less than 5 months we leave. We have yet to secure a deal with the EU, on the face of it we are totally unprepared for the consequences and now we are not in the WTO club as a stand alone nation. It's an effing mess, and for what gain? Btw Nobby, 20 is closer to 24 than 12. Just saying like. And it's no point screaming at the press. Not even sure that the Murdoch empire is pro remain, the Sun is a virulent leave paper, owned by the same people. No, it's not as though they are objecting. The term used is “expressed reservations”. Crack on. I don't think there are many nations that do not want to trade with the 5th largest economy in the world is there? Once again there is a lack of detail. You throw this up as a problem, but who are these twenty countries, and how much trade do we do with them. Details my boy, details ! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 20:06:28 GMT
"British officials had calculated what they argued was the country’s fair share of the EU’s quotas — limits on the amount of goods which can be imported before steep tariffs are introduced — and circulated their plans to fellow members in July. Members had three months to object to the document, giving them until Wednesday night. A single objection prevents the WTO from certifying such schedules."
I imagine our bravado, called making it up, watered off a number under the EU umbrella membership. Plus Russia. God knows who else.
You would have thought this would have been discussed as part of our negotiations. But of course we sent Twaddle Dum and Twaddle Dee (Davis and Fox), and we had the idiot Boris as Foreign Secretary. I am surprised that Effete Mantis that is Rees-Mogg hadn't picked this up. After all it was he who said, walk away and trade under WTO. Except we cannot (easily, yet).
5 months to go....tick tick.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 20:14:59 GMT
This reads as awfully accurate. Brexit Panic as Brits Run Out of Toilet Paper flip.it/mzNRxW |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2018 21:58:55 GMT
This reads as awfully accurate. Brexit Panic as Brits Run Out of Toilet Paper flip.it/mzNRxWI love the ignorance of articles like this. Do people think Just-In-Time only exists in the EU? The only reason for trouble importing anything would be because of the childish antics of the EU, which only reinforces the belief that we should leave this political organisation. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 6:34:42 GMT
Turns out that China, USA, Australia and New Zealand also objected to our proposed WTO terms.
I thought they were supposed to be our big hopes for trade deals post Brexit?
This is going from bad to worse.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 11:11:03 GMT
Turns out that China, USA, Australia and New Zealand also objected to our proposed WTO terms. I thought they were supposed to be our big hopes for trade deals post Brexit? This is going from bad to worse. Bloody hell Oldie. You'd be no use in a trench with 5,000 Chinese running up the hill towards us! Adapt, improvise and overcome. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2018 11:14:06 GMT
Turns out that China, USA, Australia and New Zealand also objected to our proposed WTO terms. I thought they were supposed to be our big hopes for trade deals post Brexit? This is going from bad to worse. Bloody hell Oldie. You'd be no use in a trench with 5,000 Chinese running up the hill towards us! Adapt, improvise and overcome. Yea, but after the first 5000 there's another several hundred million. Poo yourself, run away. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2018 11:22:27 GMT
Turns out that China, USA, Australia and New Zealand also objected to our proposed WTO terms. I thought they were supposed to be our big hopes for trade deals post Brexit? This is going from bad to worse. Bloody hell Oldie. You'd be no use in a trench with 5,000 Chinese running up the hill towards us! Adapt, improvise and overcome. I know you have a military service background Nobby, but these analogies do you no favours in making your pro Brexit argument. It increasingly looks like that no matter the evidence that is piling up that this is a clusterfuck, you put your union Jack T Shirt on, stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and sing god save the queen. This base appeal to nationalism is no substitute for rational debate. I suspect, deep down, you know this. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2018 11:51:23 GMT
According to the boss at Honda on the radio the other week, if there are customs checks at the border (both sides and each way) it would mean storage facilities over 30 times the current size.
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2018 11:59:52 GMT
Bloody hell Oldie. You'd be no use in a trench with 5,000 Chinese running up the hill towards us! Adapt, improvise and overcome. I know you have a military service background Nobby, but these analogies do you no favours in making your pro Brexit argument. It increasingly looks like that no matter the evidence that is piling up that this is a clusterfuck, you put your union Jack T Shirt on, stick your fingers in your ears, close your eyes and sing god save the queen. This base appeal to nationalism is no substitute for rational debate. I suspect, deep down, you know this. It's actually a very good analogy. The Glosters at Imjin could have been moved or reinforced had their Brigade commander been honest with his American Corps commander. Instead they were left to fight a very brave rearguard battle but in the end they either died (RIP lads) or ended up prisoners of the Chinese. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2018 12:10:28 GMT
According to the boss at Honda on the radio the other week, if there are customs checks at the border (both sides and each way) it would mean storage facilities over 30 times the current size. Borders with who? Doesn't Honda have a production plant in Sunderland? Or somewhere like that. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2018 12:24:58 GMT
According to the boss at Honda on the radio the other week, if there are customs checks at the border (both sides and each way) it would mean storage facilities over 30 times the current size. Borders with who? Doesn't Honda have a production plant in Sunderland? Or somewhere like that. It was referring to the Just In Time process and the Swindon assembly plant. Parts are manufactured all over Europe and moved to Swindon for assembly. At the moment a part from Holland takes 8 hours to arrive in Swindon when ordered. In the event of customs checks the boss said they would need vastly more warehouse space (currently 24 hours worth to 7-10 days) to rnsure parts were always available or move assembly elsewhere. Of course some of that is merely a veiled threat but shouldn't be ignored. Anything less than frictionless trade will have consequences one way or another. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2018 12:29:39 GMT
Borders with who? Doesn't Honda have a production plant in Sunderland? Or somewhere like that. It was referring to the Just In Time process and the Swindon assembly plant. Parts are manufactured all over Europe and moved to Swindon for assembly. At the moment a part from Holland takes 8 hours to arrive in Swindon when ordered. In the event of customs checks the boss said they would need vastly more warehouse space (currently 24 hours worth to 7-10 days) to rnsure parts were always available or move assembly elsewhere. Of course some of that is merely a veiled threat but shouldn't be ignored. Anything less than frictionless trade will have consequences one way or another. So, another major employer re-thinking business with us then. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2018 12:40:44 GMT
It was referring to the Just In Time process and the Swindon assembly plant. Parts are manufactured all over Europe and moved to Swindon for assembly. At the moment a part from Holland takes 8 hours to arrive in Swindon when ordered. In the event of customs checks the boss said they would need vastly more warehouse space (currently 24 hours worth to 7-10 days) to rnsure parts were always available or move assembly elsewhere. Of course some of that is merely a veiled threat but shouldn't be ignored. Anything less than frictionless trade will have consequences one way or another. So, another major employer re-thinking business with us then. More a warning shot across the bows, aimed at a certain viewpoint. Provided parts can come and go reasonably freely then it should be okay. |
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Post by baggins on Oct 27, 2018 12:41:20 GMT
So, another major employer re-thinking business with us then. More a warning shot across the bows, aimed at a certain viewpoint. Provided parts can come and go reasonably freely then it should be okay. It won't be. |
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Post by stuart1974 on Oct 27, 2018 13:41:32 GMT
More a warning shot across the bows, aimed at a certain viewpoint. Provided parts can come and go reasonably freely then it should be okay. It won't be. Relax, Boris said it will be fine 🙁 |
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Post by irene on Oct 28, 2018 6:40:03 GMT
Should be okay what the f**k when are the idiots in Sunderland,Swindon,Derby,Luton and Oxford who voted for Brexit going to realise that Toyota Honda Nissan and PSG group will follow Jaguar Land Rover and manufacture new models in Europe with catastrophic consequences for their jobs and communities
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 6:58:59 GMT
Borders with who? Doesn't Honda have a production plant in Sunderland? Or somewhere like that. It was referring to the Just In Time process and the Swindon assembly plant. Parts are manufactured all over Europe and moved to Swindon for assembly. At the moment a part from Holland takes 8 hours to arrive in Swindon when ordered. In the event of customs checks the boss said they would need vastly more warehouse space (currently 24 hours worth to 7-10 days) to rnsure parts were always available or move assembly elsewhere. Of course some of that is merely a veiled threat but shouldn't be ignored. Anything less than frictionless trade will have consequences one way or another. I remember watching one of those Megafactories documentaries on Discovery a while back. I think it was either BMW or Audi and one of their models (one of the Supercar types) had most of the engine and some other parts built in the USA before being sent to Germany for the final assembly. Presumably the assumed border delays weren't deemed so damaging by the Germans? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2018 7:11:04 GMT
It was referring to the Just In Time process and the Swindon assembly plant. Parts are manufactured all over Europe and moved to Swindon for assembly. At the moment a part from Holland takes 8 hours to arrive in Swindon when ordered. In the event of customs checks the boss said they would need vastly more warehouse space (currently 24 hours worth to 7-10 days) to rnsure parts were always available or move assembly elsewhere. Of course some of that is merely a veiled threat but shouldn't be ignored. Anything less than frictionless trade will have consequences one way or another. I remember watching one of those Megafactories documentaries on Discovery a while back. I think it was either BMW or Audi and one of their models (one of the Supercar types) had most of the engine and some other parts built in the USA before being sent to Germany for the final assembly. Presumably the assumed border delays weren't deemed so damaging by the Germans? That is just the point I have been trying to make. JIT is not just an EU thing. It happens all over the world. Why do people get so blinkered about the EU? |
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