Brexit - The Final Reckoning

Just trying a different approach. Apart from your good self nobody seemed to want a discussion about tariffs when I had previously mentioned them.

Can't think why.....

Tariff's will hurt the EU more than us. If they don't want an agreement, then it can only be for political reasons. It's best we don't belong to a childish club like that. Some tariffs will of course come down, as the EU already places tariffs on certain things. The UK could just wipe those out, which is also something that doesn't get mentioned.

Quite simply, the UK imports far more from the EU than it exports to the EU.

The only way we can apply zero Tarriffs to EU imports without a trade deal is to apply zero Tarriffs to all equivalent imports from countries with WTO membership.
It doesn't work. There, thats mentioned. Low cost countries would kill us.
In any event, as of today, the UK is not a member of the WTO as a stand alone nation outside of the EU umbrella. Once we leave the EU, EU countries will be obliged, under WTO rules, to apply Tarriffs to UK products and similarly we will have to reciprocate (if indeed we ever become members of the WTO)
5 months to go.

I lol'd.

If this was purely about a trading organisation then I don't think there would have been a referendum in the first place and if there was remain would have won by a landslide. I think the majority have became fed up with the growth of the EU and its role in other areas of our lives other than trade and it would only get worse.
I don't think anyone who voted leave was expecting it to be a bed of roses in the short term but this country has overcome far worse over the generations and I'm willing to accept some short term economic pain in full confidence that we will flourish in the long term and others will then seek to follow. I think it's fairly obvious that the EU leaders are worried about us making a success of independence which is why they are trying to be as difficult (arguably impossible) to negotiate with as they can despite their stance and the forcing of a harsh brexit being potentially detrimental to their remaining member states.

If I was being totally selfish and thought solely about myself and how short term economic problems could impact on me then I would have voted remain. Instead I voted leave which I think is the better option for this country in the longer term. Looking at the bullying tactics of the EU during 'negotiations' I'm glad to be leaving such a vile organisation which is run by decidedly dodgy characters with their snouts firmly wedged in the EU troughs.

Eric
Obviously you are entitled to your views, but you offer nothing, in terms of empirical evidence, to support them.
I see you concede the trade and economic argument, but you hang on by a thread to an argument that despite this we will be better off in the long wrong, but offer no opinion as to how this will happen.
I am also interested in your opinion of what "other areas of our lives" you think being members of the EU has caused intrusion?
I can't think of one that has not had some beneficial impact. Perhaps you could articulate them.

I look forward to your response.

and as predicted, Merkel's CDU took another hammering in the Hessen State elections, as did their coalition partners the SPD. The result is that Merkel is stepping down as the Chair of the CDU Party, however she will remain Chancellor. However, she has already said she will not stand for re-election. It's the end of Merkel.

As being shown right across Europe, people are fed-up with the same-old same-old parties.

I don't think you are interested in or respect others views on this subject. You want me to put forward statements which you will argue against, quoting various lines from pro remain articles or carefully selected statistics. I can't be bothered to spend my days arguing with someone who will never respect my views or right to have my own opinion. I don't doubt your superior intelligence but the constant snide comments from pro-remain towards anyone who has a different view to them is very tiresome. If there is a travesty and a "People's vote" is granted the combined nastiness towards pro brexit voters from both the remain supporters and the same attitude from the EU leaders will make the leave margin of victory even more convincing. 

i don't want to be part of a superstate. I want us to have our independence to manage our affairs in respect of trade, borders, laws, defence etc...why do we want to limit ourselves to this one small group rather than build relationships with anyone around the globe? I don't trust any of the power brokers at the EU and I suspect with thorough investigation they would prove no less crooked than the likes of Sepp Blatter and his cronies at FIFA 

If remain had won I would have been disappointed but accepted the democratic choice of the country and just got on with life. I wouldn't constantly try to put down those with different views, March on the streets to overturn democracy or paint clever graffiti slogans on inner city walls.