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Post by peterparker on May 24, 2019 20:10:41 GMT
Boris is flying the No deal flag as part of his leadersip bid, but would prefer a deal he says. When it comes to the crunch which one of them is mad enougb to walk away with no deal, because they all know it is madness Dont underestimate the stupidity of the libertarian right Simon, like the Witches of Eastwick they will sacrifice all for their self obsessed ignorant beliefs. Im sure one of them will be mental enough. The odds on the next leader (Boris favourite) though arent as interesting as the ones on how long they will last
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Post by baggins on May 25, 2019 11:10:30 GMT
Boris is flying the No deal flag as part of his leadersip bid, but would prefer a deal he says. When it comes to the crunch which one of them is mad enougb to walk away with no deal, because they all know it is madness Dont underestimate the stupidity of the libertarian right Simon, like the Witches of Eastwick they will sacrifice all for their self obsessed ignorant beliefs. Unfortunately, the stupid get to vote. Shouldn't be allowed.
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 6:32:37 GMT
So what didnwe learn from the vote. Um nothng really
Leave areas voted Brexit Part, remain areas voted Lib Dem/Green and secured a slightly higher share of the vote combined than Brexit Party. Havent seen the totwl vote figures yet.
And the Tories and Labour did sh**e
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 6:53:39 GMT
UKIP and ChangeUK are both dead. ![](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/02/13998676-0-image-a-5_1558920532562.jpg)
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 7:10:31 GMT
total votes Attachments:![](//storage.proboards.com/5848383/thumbnailer/UFPeWwDRQmdZvrHsPkEl.png)
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 8:11:54 GMT
Bloody hell.....just look at the numbers for the Brexit Party... ![](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/02/13999034-7072857-image-a-90_1558921634290.jpg)
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 8:21:57 GMT
Bloody hell.....just look at the numbers for the Brexit Party... ![](https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/05/27/02/13999034-7072857-image-a-90_1558921634290.jpg) True but they are a single party on a single issue. Remain vote is split amongst Lib Dem/Green/Plaid/CUK Who knows what Labour voters think, but shows what position they are in. They could easily appeal to remain voters but there flip flopping has ruined them The Euros are odd with it being split into 9. Interesting how it plays out in a GE setting as Brexit was 3rd behind Green and LD in Bristol
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 9:27:57 GMT
Or expressed by the actual count and applying 50% of labour to Remain / New referendum and 50% of Tory to leave no deal
It looks like this
Leave No Deal = 5,175k Remain/Ref 2 = 5,901k
This based upon anecdotal evidence that the vast majority of the labour membership want another referendum, and the vast majority of the Tory membership want to leave with no deal.
It's not the ringing endorsement that Farage et al are shouting and frothing at the mouth about. In fact, they lost, that's lost, on the popular vote (like it would be if this was a referendum).This does not include Scotland who voted overwhelmingly for the SNP who are religiously a remain party.
Meanwhile, back at the food bank and hour 5 in A&E...
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:00:18 GMT
Or expressed by the actual count and applying 50% of labour to Remain / New referendum and 50% of Tory to leave no deal It looks like this Leave No Deal = 5,175k Remain/Ref 2 = 5,901k This based upon anecdotal evidence that the vast majority of the labour membership want another referendum, and the vast majority of the Tory membership want to leave with no deal. It's not the ringing endorsement that Farage et al are shouting and frothing at the mouth about. In fact, they lost, that's lost, on the popular vote (like it would be if this was a referendum).This does not include Scotland who voted overwhelmingly for the SNP who are religiously a remain party. Meanwhile, back at the food bank and hour 5 in A&E... Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble".
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:05:48 GMT
Or expressed by the actual count and applying 50% of labour to Remain / New referendum and 50% of Tory to leave no deal It looks like this Leave No Deal = 5,175k Remain/Ref 2 = 5,901k This based upon anecdotal evidence that the vast majority of the labour membership want another referendum, and the vast majority of the Tory membership want to leave with no deal. It's not the ringing endorsement that Farage et al are shouting and frothing at the mouth about. In fact, they lost, that's lost, on the popular vote (like it would be if this was a referendum).This does not include Scotland who voted overwhelmingly for the SNP who are religiously a remain party. Meanwhile, back at the food bank and hour 5 in A&E... Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble". I can only quote the facts that are on the table. We can quibble at the edges of the debate, you can throw the usual tactic of adding personal vitriol, but I took the numbers straight from your post which listed the result. Last Thursday Leave No Deal lost the popular vote. The numbers speak for themselves
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:15:48 GMT
Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble". I can only quote the facts that are on the table. We can quibble at the edges of the debate, you can throw the usual tactic of adding personal vitriol, but I took the numbers straight from your post which listed the result. Last Thursday Leave No Deal lost the popular vote. The numbers speak for themselves No, your numbers are assumed, not facts. Let's not forget that.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:19:20 GMT
Tony Blair won a landslide GE with 35% of the popular vote.
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Post by Big Jock on May 27, 2019 10:21:56 GMT
Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble". I can only quote the facts that are on the table. We can quibble at the edges of the debate, you can throw the usual tactic of adding personal vitriol, but I took the numbers straight from your post which listed the result. Last Thursday Leave No Deal lost the popular vote. The numbers speak for themselves
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 10:55:56 GMT
I can only quote the facts that are on the table. We can quibble at the edges of the debate, you can throw the usual tactic of adding personal vitriol, but I took the numbers straight from your post which listed the result. Last Thursday Leave No Deal lost the popular vote. The numbers speak for themselves Man City to be relegated. They only got 98 points. If you add up all the rest, they got 919 points, therefore Man City are in fact last, and will be relegated.........
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:04:45 GMT
If you wanted to compare remain vs leave the maths says that more people voted for remain parties than the leave ones.
Simple as that really. Brexit party showed that it's just a change of clothes for Nigel from UKIP, only a fraction of the 17.4 million voted for him.
No mandate for no deal, message sent to the main two parties, UKIP are over, Robinson destroyed. Job done.
Brexiteers having a w**k because they cant get their heads around the above.
Bring it on I say. I've given up caring now. Let's crash out - I'll personally be fine - and they can whistle the great escape all the way to the job centre. I'll be belly laughing.
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 11:16:51 GMT
Or expressed by the actual count and applying 50% of labour to Remain / New referendum and 50% of Tory to leave no deal It looks like this Leave No Deal = 5,175k Remain/Ref 2 = 5,901k This based upon anecdotal evidence that the vast majority of the labour membership want another referendum, and the vast majority of the Tory membership want to leave with no deal. It's not the ringing endorsement that Farage et al are shouting and frothing at the mouth about. In fact, they lost, that's lost, on the popular vote (like it would be if this was a referendum).This does not include Scotland who voted overwhelmingly for the SNP who are religiously a remain party. Meanwhile, back at the food bank and hour 5 in A&E... Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble". Isnt that the argument though 17.4m voted leave. We are told they know what it meant despite all the shades of leave mentioned. Nigel has been leading a clear No Deal campaign (although he wants a seat at the negotiations), and he got 5m votes. Where are the rest of the leavers sendinga message? And what is Nigel going to negotiate exactly?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:19:12 GMT
If you wanted to compare remain vs leave the maths says that more people voted for remain parties than the leave ones. Simple as that really. Brexit party showed that it's just a change of clothes for Nigel from UKIP, only a fraction of the 17.4 million voted for him. No mandate for no deal, message sent to the main two parties, UKIP are over, Robinson destroyed. Job done. Brexiteers having a w**k because they cant get their heads around the above. Bring it on I say. I've given up caring now. Let's crash out - I'll personally be fine - and they can whistle the great escape all the way to the job centre. I'll be belly laughing. You can't compare Remain v Leave using the EU votes. There were only two parties working on the single issue, the Brexit Party to Leave and Change UK to Remain. It's really funny how some are desperately tying to massage the figures to claim a 'victory'! Where is the mandate for 'no deal'? I think I've missed that. The queues must be huge at the Job Centre's especially after the 800,000 who lost their jobs after the referendum are also there!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:24:54 GMT
If you wanted to compare remain vs leave the maths says that more people voted for remain parties than the leave ones. Simple as that really. Brexit party showed that it's just a change of clothes for Nigel from UKIP, only a fraction of the 17.4 million voted for him. No mandate for no deal, message sent to the main two parties, UKIP are over, Robinson destroyed. Job done. Brexiteers having a w**k because they cant get their heads around the above. Bring it on I say. I've given up caring now. Let's crash out - I'll personally be fine - and they can whistle the great escape all the way to the job centre. I'll be belly laughing. You can't compare Remain v Leave using the EU votes. There were only two parties working on the single issue, the Brexit Party to Leave and Change UK to Remain. It's really funny how some are desperately tying to massage the figures to claim a 'victory'! Where is the mandate for 'no deal'? I think I've missed that. The queues must be huge at the Job Centre's especially after the 800,000 who lost their jobs after the referendum are also there! Haha your argument works both ways. You seem desperate to claim victory for leave (by comparing Brexit party vs change UK lol). You were the one who claimed victory for Farage (only principle leave) and then in the same breath when confronted with the facts claim it's not about remain vs leave. Make your mind up nobby
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:25:44 GMT
Not a real argument there is it! Your total of both is only about 11m. In the Referendum, 17.4 million voted to Leave alone. It is a mistake to try to use these numbers to suggest they represent the views of the Nation regarding Brexit. What the numbers do show though is that both Tories and Labour are in terminal decline unless they make radical changes. Are you seriously suggesting that the Brexit Party lost? At breakfast this morning, did you stick a couple of pencils up your nose, put a pair of underpants on your head, and say, "wibble". Isnt that the argument though 17.4m voted leave. We are told they know what it meant despite all the shades of leave mentioned. Nigel has been leading a clear No Deal campaign (although he wants a seat at the negotiations), and he got 5m votes. Where are the rest of the leavers sendinga message? And what is Nigel going to negotiate exactly? Negotiations are over. The EU have made that quite clear. Just tell the EU that we are leaving Oct 30th, and if they want to re-negotiate anything, we are willing to listen, but if not, we leave. To re-negotiate anything with the EU it's no good to keep returning with the begging bowl. May and her team totally failed to apply any pressure during the negotiations. Tell them we are leaving with no-deal. We are prepared to discuss with them details around that. The ball will then be in their court.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:27:35 GMT
You can't compare Remain v Leave using the EU votes. There were only two parties working on the single issue, the Brexit Party to Leave and Change UK to Remain. It's really funny how some are desperately tying to massage the figures to claim a 'victory'! Where is the mandate for 'no deal'? I think I've missed that. The queues must be huge at the Job Centre's especially after the 800,000 who lost their jobs after the referendum are also there! Haha your argument works both ways. You seem desperate to claim victory for leave (by comparing Brexit party vs change UK lol). You were the one who claimed victory for Farage (only principle leave) and then in the same breath when confronted with the facts claim it's not about remain vs leave. Make your mind up nobby I am not claiming victory for anyone. The numbers and facts speak for themselves......facts.......not made up numbers based on loose assumptions.
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