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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:34:45 GMT
According to Electoral Calculus, if last night's vote had been a GE, the result would be:
Conservative: 0 seats
Labour: 93 seats
Lib: 31 seats
Green: 1 seat
SNP: 56 seats
Plaid: 5 seats
Brexit: 446 seats
Brexit majority 242!
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:38:40 GMT
Haha your argument works both ways. You seem desperate to claim victory for leave (by comparing Brexit party vs change UK lol). You were the one who claimed victory for Farage (only principle leave) and then in the same breath when confronted with the facts claim it's not about remain vs leave. Make your mind up nobby I am not claiming victory for anyone. The numbers and facts speak for themselves......facts.......not made up numbers based on loose assumptions. True or false Nobby? 1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? 2. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than for explicitly leave parties? Answer that then bring me some more condescension about facts. Like I say, I really have given up with you lot and your insistence on self-harm. I suspect its rather easier to do, with respect, from your home in a different country, but there you go. I think we should take a no deal, and the people who voted for it can reap all the red white and blue rewards from that. If that's the only way for them to learn, theres an argument there to say let them have it. As if Boris and Farage give a f**k about them lol
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:39:32 GMT
According to Electoral Calculus, if last night's vote had been a GE, the result would be: Conservative: 0 seats Labour: 93 seats Lib: 31 seats Green: 1 seat SNP: 56 seats Plaid: 5 seats Brexit: 446 seats Brexit majority 242! you are quite unbelievable. One hand you cant compare. Other hand let's compare against if it was a GE. Do the same for a referendum. Go on.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:39:55 GMT
It is also worth noting that EU citizens in the UK were able to vote in the EU elections. Apparently, there are three million in the UK, so the 'Remain' vote could be a bit overstated as it would not be replicated in a GE or Referendum. Despite that, the Brexit Party still received the highest percentage and numbers.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:42:56 GMT
I am not claiming victory for anyone. The numbers and facts speak for themselves......facts.......not made up numbers based on loose assumptions. True or false Nobby? 1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? 2. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than for explicitly leave parties? Answer that then bring me some more condescension about facts. Like I say, I really have given up with you lot and your insistence on self-harm. I suspect its rather easier to do, with respect, from your home in a different country, but there you go. I think we should take a no deal, and the people who voted for it can reap all the red white and blue rewards from that. If that's the only way for them to learn, theres an argument there to say let them have it. As if Boris and Farage give a f**k about them lol "1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? " - Did every one who voted Green vote for Remain, or maybe they voted Green for environmental reasons? It's stretching it a bit far to attempt to include their total vote count as Remain. Are Labour a Remain or Leave party? Are the Tories a Remain or Leave party? Sorry, but you are just making assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:44:11 GMT
According to Electoral Calculus, if last night's vote had been a GE, the result would be: Conservative: 0 seats Labour: 93 seats Lib: 31 seats Green: 1 seat SNP: 56 seats Plaid: 5 seats Brexit: 446 seats Brexit majority 242! you are quite unbelievable. One hand you cant compare. Other hand let's compare against if it was a GE. Do the same for a referendum. Go on. The Referendum was not ran on party lines. It was just a binary choice.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:44:56 GMT
True or false Nobby? 1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? 2. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than for explicitly leave parties? Answer that then bring me some more condescension about facts. Like I say, I really have given up with you lot and your insistence on self-harm. I suspect its rather easier to do, with respect, from your home in a different country, but there you go. I think we should take a no deal, and the people who voted for it can reap all the red white and blue rewards from that. If that's the only way for them to learn, theres an argument there to say let them have it. As if Boris and Farage give a f**k about them lol "1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? " - Did every one who voted Green vote for Remain, or maybe they voted Green for environmental reasons? It's stretching it a bit far to attempt to include their total vote count as Remain. Are Labour a Remain or Leave party? Are the Tories a Remain or Leave party? Sorry, but you are just making assumptions. take tories and labour out of the picture. What do you get? Answer the question Did more people vote for explicitly leave parties or explicitly remain parties?
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Post by baggins on May 27, 2019 11:46:01 GMT
True or false Nobby? 1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? 2. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than for explicitly leave parties? Answer that then bring me some more condescension about facts. Like I say, I really have given up with you lot and your insistence on self-harm. I suspect its rather easier to do, with respect, from your home in a different country, but there you go. I think we should take a no deal, and the people who voted for it can reap all the red white and blue rewards from that. If that's the only way for them to learn, theres an argument there to say let them have it. As if Boris and Farage give a f**k about them lol "1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? " - Did every one who voted Green vote for Remain, or maybe they voted Green for environmental reasons? It's stretching it a bit far to attempt to include their total vote count as Remain. Are Labour a Remain or Leave party? Are the Tories a Remain or Leave party? Sorry, but you are just making assumptions. UK Politics is a complete and utter mess. There's no distinction between most of the parties anymore which makes it all the more impossible to put your cross next to any of them in the vote.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:49:34 GMT
"1. More people voted for explicitly remain parties than the Brexit party? " - Did every one who voted Green vote for Remain, or maybe they voted Green for environmental reasons? It's stretching it a bit far to attempt to include their total vote count as Remain. Are Labour a Remain or Leave party? Are the Tories a Remain or Leave party? Sorry, but you are just making assumptions. take tories and labour out of the picture. What do you get? Answer the question Did more people vote for explicitly leave parties or explicitly remain parties? Eh? Take out millions of votes and then try to draw a conclusion?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 11:50:50 GMT
In any GE, the winner usually picks up around 35% of the votes. Are you people seriously suggesting that because the 'others' make up 65% of the votes that the result of any GE is wrong?
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:51:02 GMT
take tories and labour out of the picture. What do you get? Answer the question Did more people vote for explicitly leave parties or explicitly remain parties? Eh? Take out millions of votes and then try to draw a conclusion? Keep them in then and answer the question. Labour being 60% remain as we know and the Tories being 80% leave. You cant bring yourself to do it can you
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 11:51:33 GMT
In any GE, the winner usually picks up around 35% of the votes. Are you people seriously suggesting that because the 'others' make up 65% of the votes that the result of any GE is wrong? straw man.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 12:01:59 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:07:43 GMT
C'mon, be serious
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 12:09:30 GMT
C'mon, be serious That's the facts nobby. Add in your conservatives and labour like we said and you still get the same if narrower margin for remain. Like I said, I dont care particularly but those are the facts A victory for the Brexit company, yes. A victory for Brexit, nope.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:11:55 GMT
Eh? Take out millions of votes and then try to draw a conclusion? Keep them in then and answer the question. Labour being 60% remain as we know and the Tories being 80% leave. You cant bring yourself to do it can you Do what? You are desperately trying to massage numbers. As I said earlier, what about the three million EU nationals who were eligible to vote? Don't you think many of them would have voted for Remain parties? Those votes would not appear in a GE or Referendum. Was the Remain vote artificially raised in the EU election due to these votes?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:12:39 GMT
C'mon, be serious That's the facts nobby. Add in your conservatives and labour like we said and you still get the same if narrower margin for remain. Like I said, I dont care particularly but those are the facts A victory for the Brexit company, yes. A victory for Brexit, nope. No, no and thrice no. They are NOT facts. They are your assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:15:58 GMT
I can only quote the facts that are on the table. We can quibble at the edges of the debate, you can throw the usual tactic of adding personal vitriol, but I took the numbers straight from your post which listed the result. Last Thursday Leave No Deal lost the popular vote. The numbers speak for themselves You can complain or laugh as much as you like, but the numbers speak for themselves Jock.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 12:18:28 GMT
That's the facts nobby. Add in your conservatives and labour like we said and you still get the same if narrower margin for remain. Like I said, I dont care particularly but those are the facts A victory for the Brexit company, yes. A victory for Brexit, nope. No, no and thrice no. They are NOT facts. They are your assumptions. Where are my numbers wrong? You are being very Trumpish today. Fake news! Challenge me with some substance. Are my numbers correct? Is Brexit party for leaving? Is UKIP for leaving? Is Lib Dem for remain? Is Green for remain? Is Change UK for remain? Is Plaid for remain? Is SNP for remain? Is labour split? Is Tory split? Hey, dont take my word for it. It's in all the newspapers and analysis today. But, fake news!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:20:04 GMT
2016 EU referendum Leave won. 2017 General Election Leave won. 2019 European Elections Leave won. How many more times must we do this?
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