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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:22:10 GMT
That's the facts nobby. Add in your conservatives and labour like we said and you still get the same if narrower margin for remain. Like I said, I dont care particularly but those are the facts A victory for the Brexit company, yes. A victory for Brexit, nope. No, no and thrice no. They are NOT facts. They are your assumptions. I covered that in in my original post. 50% of the labour vote going to remain as the anecdotal evidence is that the vast majority of the membership want a 2nd referendum, ditto Tory, 50% going to leave no deal as the vast majority of their membership want to leave, deal or no deal. As for people voting Green voting purely for environmental reasons, the massive increase in both the local and now the EU elections since coming out as Absolutist Remainers belies that argument. You are in denial Nobby.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:22:59 GMT
No, no and thrice no. They are NOT facts. They are your assumptions. Where are my numbers wrong? You are being very Trumpish today. Fake news! Challenge me with some substance. Are my numbers correct? Is Brexit party for leaving? Is UKIP for leaving? Is Lib Dem for remain? Is Green for remain? Is Change UK for remain? Is Plaid for remain? Is SNP for remain? Is labour split? Is Tory split? Hey, dont take my word for it. It's in all the newspapers and analysis today. But, fake news! Sorry, but what you are attempting to do is quite funny. I don't think all voters who voted for Plaid voted for them for Remain reasons. In the same way I don't think all Green voters voted for them for Remain reasons. The same with SNP. You just cannot lump their sum totals together and try to make your argument. You are just making huge assumptions.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:23:07 GMT
2016 EU referendum Leave won. 2017 General Election Leave won. 2019 European Elections Leave won. How many more times must we do this? Until the truth is told.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 12:24:05 GMT
2016 EU referendum Leave won. 2017 General Election Leave won. 2019 European Elections Leave won. How many more times must we do this? Are we just saying what we feel like now? Can I play? 2016 EU referendum I won 2017 General Election Nobby won 2019 European Elections football won. Your first one is correct. The middle one is debatable and the third one isnt true at all. I've given you evidence and all you can do is sneer and prop up straw men. You are forcing me to conclude that you arent challenging me with any substance because you cant, which doesnt seem very fair on you.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:25:31 GMT
2016 EU referendum Leave won. 2017 General Election Leave won. 2019 European Elections Leave won. How many more times must we do this? Until the truth is told. Or until Remain manage to win a vote somewhere by a single vote, then it will be all over never to be spoken of again The problem with that strategy is that Remain will never win a vote
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:26:09 GMT
Where are my numbers wrong? You are being very Trumpish today. Fake news! Challenge me with some substance. Are my numbers correct? Is Brexit party for leaving? Is UKIP for leaving? Is Lib Dem for remain? Is Green for remain? Is Change UK for remain? Is Plaid for remain? Is SNP for remain? Is labour split? Is Tory split? Hey, dont take my word for it. It's in all the newspapers and analysis today. But, fake news! Sorry, but what you are attempting to do is quite funny. I don't think all voters who voted for Plaid voted for them for Remain reasons. In the same way I don't think all Green voters voted for them for Remain reasons. The same with SNP. You just cannot lump their sum totals together and try to make your argument. You are just making huge assumptions. Apart from the SNP, Green and Plaid saw a massive increase in their share of the vote this time, as they maintained or reiterated their strong remainer views. Nothing else changed..except people have more knowledge and expressed their will.
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 12:26:34 GMT
According to Electoral Calculus, if last night's vote had been a GE, the result would be: Conservative: 0 seats Labour: 93 seats Lib: 31 seats Green: 1 seat SNP: 56 seats Plaid: 5 seats Brexit: 446 seats Brexit majority 242! Where is that from? Is that broken down by constituency?
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Post by Big Jock on May 27, 2019 12:27:08 GMT
You can complain or laugh as much as you like, but the numbers speak for themselves Jock. Jes a bit of humour pal.
fwiw- we are where we were - Split!
Unbiased (as i am) its still roughly 50/50. And the arguing in this thread sums it all up nicely imo. Remainers an Brexiteers are trying put slants on it (completely biased by their own opinions) But that has got, and is getting us nowhere. A compromise must be found and until each side are prepared ta give a little it'll continue, sadly i cannae see anything changing soon. Th fucckin sh!tfest mess will carry on an more importantly ta me it will divide good folk an continue ill feeling which we could all do without.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:27:27 GMT
Or until Remain manage to win a vote somewhere by a single vote, then it will be all over never to be spoken of again The problem with that strategy is that Remain will never win a vote Perhaps not.. But in this EU election Remain won the popular vote..fact
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:27:41 GMT
2016 EU referendum Leave won. 2017 General Election Leave won. 2019 European Elections Leave won. How many more times must we do this? Are we just saying what we feel like now? Can I play? 2016 EU referendum I won 2017 General Election Nobby won 2019 European Elections football won. Your first one is correct. The middle one is debatable and the third one isnt true at all. I've given you evidence and all you can do is sneer and prop up straw men. You are forcing me to conclude that you arent challenging me with any substance because you cant, which doesnt seem very fair on you. C'mon, I'm almost falling off my chair laughing ! I'm not providing any substance you say? Have a gander at this....
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:31:03 GMT
You can complain or laugh as much as you like, but the numbers speak for themselves Jock. Jes a bit of humour pal.
fwiw- we are where we were - Split!
Unbiased (as i am) its still roughly 50/50. And the arguing in this thread sums it all up nicely imo. Remainers an Brexiteers are trying put slants on it (completely biased by their own opinions) But that has got, and is getting us nowhere. A compromise must be found and until each side are prepared ta give a little it'll continue, sadly i cannae see anything changing soon. Th fucckin sh!tfest mess will carry on an more importantly ta me it will divide good folk an continue ill feeling which we could all do without.
With you Jock. As a fervent remainer I will vote for a sensible compromise that limits the damage to this country. But I cannot vote or support the hard line nationalists and economic libertarians in the ERG and the group of people that Farage fronts up. They are a menace that has to be confronted.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on May 27, 2019 12:33:36 GMT
Are we just saying what we feel like now? Can I play? 2016 EU referendum I won 2017 General Election Nobby won 2019 European Elections football won. Your first one is correct. The middle one is debatable and the third one isnt true at all. I've given you evidence and all you can do is sneer and prop up straw men. You are forcing me to conclude that you arent challenging me with any substance because you cant, which doesnt seem very fair on you. C'mon, I'm almost falling off my chair laughing ! I'm not providing any substance you say? Have a gander at this.... nobby you arent this thick but you arent listening to what I'm saying. I am not denying the Brexit party won, I'm not a f**king idiot. But you are deliberately trying not engage with the facts that it doesnt equate to a leave majority in voter numbers. Was the referendum done via constituencies? I give up with you. I know you know what I'm talking about because you're not a stupid bloke but typical to the leavers, ears and eyes closed. I sincerely hope you dont fall off your chair, I'm not sure youd find it again.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:33:54 GMT
Are we just saying what we feel like now? Can I play? 2016 EU referendum I won 2017 General Election Nobby won 2019 European Elections football won. Your first one is correct. The middle one is debatable and the third one isnt true at all. I've given you evidence and all you can do is sneer and prop up straw men. You are forcing me to conclude that you arent challenging me with any substance because you cant, which doesnt seem very fair on you. C'mon, I'm almost falling off my chair laughing ! I'm not providing any substance you say? Have a gander at this.... That's right. But we are pointing out that using the same popular vote methodology employed in the referendum, leavers lost last Thursday. You cannot have it both ways Nobby, decrying the fact that a popular was not delivered after 2016 and now using a representative democracy argument when it goes the other way. Can you.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:34:17 GMT
Jes a bit of humour pal.
fwiw- we are where we were - Split!
Unbiased (as i am) its still roughly 50/50. And the arguing in this thread sums it all up nicely imo. Remainers an Brexiteers are trying put slants on it (completely biased by their own opinions) But that has got, and is getting us nowhere. A compromise must be found and until each side are prepared ta give a little it'll continue, sadly i cannae see anything changing soon. Th fucckin sh!tfest mess will carry on an more importantly ta me it will divide good folk an continue ill feeling which we could all do without.
With you Jock. As a fervent remainer I will vote for a sensible compromise that limits the damage to this country. But I cannot vote or support the hard line nationalists and economic libertarians in the ERG and the group of people that Farage fronts up. They are a menace that has to be confronted. Ha, ha, ha, ha !
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Post by Big Jock on May 27, 2019 12:34:38 GMT
Hey guys, lets agree on something....
David Cameron is a complete cunnt!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:36:35 GMT
C'mon, I'm almost falling off my chair laughing ! I'm not providing any substance you say? Have a gander at this.... That's right. But we are pointing out that using the same popular vote methodology employed in the referendum, leavers lost last Thursday. You cannot have it both ways Nobby, decrying the fact that a popular was not delivered after 2016 and now using a representative democracy argument when it goes the other way. Can you. The referendum was a binary choice not ran on party lines. Other elections, like a GE or the EU elections, are ran completely differently. Are you seriously suggesting that Leavers lost in the EU elections? Really? Oh well, carry on then........I'm giggling !
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:37:13 GMT
Hey guys, lets agree on something.... David Cameron is a complete cunnt!!! Nope, because a cunnt has some use.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 12:43:30 GMT
Peterborough by-election, June 6th. Wonder how that is going to turn out?
Peterborough European Election results :-
Brexit Party: 16196
Labour: 7272
Liberal Democrats: 6491
Conservatives: 4594
Green: 4563
UKIP: 1537
Change UK: 1277
English Democrats: 284
Independent Attila Csordas: 65
Data: Peterborough City Council
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Post by peterparker on May 27, 2019 13:09:14 GMT
Peterborough by-election, June 6th. Wonder how that is going to turn out? Peterborough European Election results :- Brexit Party: 16196 Labour: 7272 Liberal Democrats: 6491 Conservatives: 4594 Green: 4563 UKIP: 1537 Change UK: 1277 English Democrats: 284 Independent Attila Csordas: 65 Data: Peterborough City Council Someone called Mike Greene is the Brexit candidate www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-england-cambridgeshire-48384070
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2019 13:43:24 GMT
That's right. But we are pointing out that using the same popular vote methodology employed in the referendum, leavers lost last Thursday. You cannot have it both ways Nobby, decrying the fact that a popular was not delivered after 2016 and now using a representative democracy argument when it goes the other way. Can you. The referendum was a binary choice not ran on party lines. Other elections, like a GE or the EU elections, are ran completely differently. Are you seriously suggesting that Leavers lost in the EU elections? Really? Oh well, carry on then........I'm giggling ! On the popular vote, absolutely. Are you seriously suggesting that this EU election was on anything else other than a reaction to the events of the last year? It was, you know it. Although not on paper, in peoples minds they voted in a binary fashion, leave with Farage or remain with the remain parties. If you want to argue otherwise, can you name one policy that the Brexit Party has, other than Leave?
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