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Post by althepirate on Jun 1, 2019 23:06:25 GMT
This existential nonsense is too much for me. Tomorrow is Sunday. I'll drink water, dispose of the trifle I'm currently enjoying. The sunflower I've been growing will be a little taller. I'll be preparing my paper for the presentation on Monday. I'll be sunburned. Its unreal isn't it officer. How long will some squirm when faced with what is right in front of them? The future isn't right in front of us Oldie only the present.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 1, 2019 23:21:37 GMT
Its unreal isn't it officer. How long will some squirm when faced with what is right in front of them? The future isn't right in front of us Oldie only the present. There isn't really a present, Al, only past and future.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 1, 2019 23:47:19 GMT
The future isn't right in front of us Oldie only the present. There isn't really a present, Al, only past and future. Best not to say that to those lovely people at Mindfulness Stuart.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 2, 2019 0:08:23 GMT
There isn't really a present, Al, only past and future. Best not to say that to those lovely people at Mindfulness Stuart. Past is a memory, future the imagination of things to come. Present is the mere transition from one to the other. Just musing, passing time while I'm stuck in the Children's Hospital (nothing serious, thankfully). 🤐
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 7:01:26 GMT
Best not to say that to those lovely people at Mindfulness Stuart. Past is a memory, future the imagination of things to come. Present is the mere transition from one to the other. Just musing, passing time while I'm stuck in the Children's Hospital (nothing serious, thankfully). 🤐 Oh, I hope everything is ok?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 7:52:48 GMT
You are just making an economic prediction. The fact is, under Trump, whether you like it or not, the US economy is booming! Go on, admit it. I am predicting nothing other than the fact that a lot of debt plus interest will have to be paid back over the coming decades. Trump, in just over two years has overseen a growth of $2 Trillion to the debt pile. Micky Mouse could stoke an economy with that sort of stimulus. Go on, admit it. Well, the Eurozone did not exactly flourish under the QE ran by the ECB, which proved you cannot just throw money at the economy. As for Mickey Mouse, just more speculation on your part. The reality is that the US economy is booming. Fact.
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 2, 2019 7:59:36 GMT
Past is a memory, future the imagination of things to come. Present is the mere transition from one to the other. Just musing, passing time while I'm stuck in the Children's Hospital (nothing serious, thankfully). 🤐 Oh, I hope everything is ok? All fine thanks, just a long day. Home at 3am.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 9:12:01 GMT
I am predicting nothing other than the fact that a lot of debt plus interest will have to be paid back over the coming decades. Trump, in just over two years has overseen a growth of $2 Trillion to the debt pile. Micky Mouse could stoke an economy with that sort of stimulus. Go on, admit it. Well, the Eurozone did not exactly flourish under the QE ran by the ECB, which proved you cannot just throw money at the economy. As for Mickey Mouse, just more speculation on your part. The reality is that the US economy is booming. Fact. Ha ha. QE was also a policy in the States...which prevented a crash becoming a depression, rather different from priming an economy already in a growth period, which is financially reckless. Added to which it stores debt for future generations to pay back, unnecessarily in this case. Strange how your position has changed since 2010.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 9:35:04 GMT
Oh, I hope everything is ok? All fine thanks, just a long day. Home at 3am. So pleased Stuart, good to hear 👍
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 9:53:23 GMT
Well, the Eurozone did not exactly flourish under the QE ran by the ECB, which proved you cannot just throw money at the economy. As for Mickey Mouse, just more speculation on your part. The reality is that the US economy is booming. Fact. Ha ha. QE was also a policy in the States...which prevented a crash becoming a depression, rather different from priming an economy already in a growth period, which is financially reckless. Added to which it stores debt for future generations to pay back, unnecessarily in this case. Strange how your position has changed since 2010. Economics is a complex thing. QE worked in the US and the UK, as can be seen from the growth figures now. It didn't work for the Eurozone though. My position hasn't changed at all.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 12:01:54 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years"
Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time..
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 12:06:22 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years" Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time.. Or slaves to any idealogue(s), who when challenged cannot construct a coherent and quantifiable argument for their viewpoint, other than (as the the good officer put so succinctly) "Populist Soundbites". Just saying.
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Post by Officer Barbrady on Jun 2, 2019 12:34:02 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years" Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time.. I'm not sure about going against the will of the people. You seem to be forgetting the other 16 million that voted to remain. If you have a fundamental issue with them being represented I am surprised at your use of the term dictatorial... I sat in a seminar the other day about the human instinct and how it affects science vs evidence based medicine. It was said that evolutionary wise our natural instinct, crafted over thousands of years, is rather fixed. We prefer stories/anecdotes to evidence, and pattern recognition and herding as survivalist mechanisms force quick rather than considered decisions. What allowed the creation and development of science, not as an ideology but as a method, is discipline. You must be self-disciplined enough to challenge the herd, collect and deliberate and form a conclusion based on higher forms of evidence. Not doing so does not make one stupid, it makes them human. Intellectually illogical she called it. However to really know and understand you must exercise some control over the human response to become intellectually logical. This was all about evidence based medicine vs science based medicine in relation to complimentary and alternative remedies where evidence is cited however I found the concept very interesting when we apply it to our current political situation.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 12:36:31 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years" Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time.. Or slaves to any idealogue(s), who when challenged cannot construct a coherent and quantifiable argument for their viewpoint, other than (as the the good officer put so succinctly) "Populist Soundbites". Just saying. Sorry Oldie I'm on the side of the realists 'populist soundbites' is the language of the liberals. You know those truly liberated people who let you do anything THEY want,but sadly nothing YOU want.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 12:39:47 GMT
Or slaves to any idealogue(s), who when challenged cannot construct a coherent and quantifiable argument for their viewpoint, other than (as the the good officer put so succinctly) "Populist Soundbites". Just saying. Sorry Oldie I'm on the side of the realists 'populist soundbites' is the language of the liberals. You know those truly liberated people who let you do anything THEY want,but sadly nothing YOU want. I think the very prescient post by the good officer rather addresses your point of view.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 12:40:27 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years" Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time.. I'm not sure about going against the will of the people. You seem to be forgetting the other 16 million that voted to remain. If you have a fundamental issue with them being represented I am surprised at your use of the term dictatorial... I sat in a seminar the other day about the human instinct and how it affects science vs evidence based medicine. It was said that evolutionary wise our natural instinct, crafted over thousands of years, is rather fixed. We prefer stories/anecdotes to evidence and pattern recognition and herding as survivalist mechanisms force quick rather than considered decisions. What allowed the creation and development of science, not as an ideology but as a method, is discipline. You must be self-disciplined enough to challenge the herd, collect and deliberate and form a conclusion based on higher forms of evidence. Not doing so does not make one stupid, it makes them human. Intellectually illogical she called it. However to really know and understand you must exercise some control over the human response to become intellectually logical. This was all about evidence based medicine vs science based medicine in relation to complimentary and alternative remedies where evidence is cited however I found the concept very interesting when we apply it to our current political situation. Excellent post.
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 12:50:41 GMT
In an article for the Observer, Mr Khan said: "The far right is on the rise around the world, threatening our hard-won rights and freedoms and the values that have defined our liberal, democratic societies for more than 70 years" Ha ha ha yes right just like the Lib Dems who have completely gone against the will of the people who have voted in a democratic referendum. Do these people think we don't have a mind of our own or life experiences and are ready and gullibly open to their dictatorial ideologies. Run along Mr Khan most of us have a mind of our own, we don't want to be slaves to 'liberal dictators'.You can convince some of the people some of the time.. I'm not sure about going against the will of the people. You seem to be forgetting the other 16 million that voted to remain. If you have a fundamental issue with them being represented I am surprised at your use of the term dictatorial... I sat in a seminar the other day about the human instinct and how it affects science vs evidence based medicine. It was said that evolutionary wise our natural instinct, crafted over thousands of years, is rather fixed. We prefer stories/anecdotes to evidence and pattern recognition and herding as survivalist mechanisms force quick rather than considered decisions. What allowed the creation and development of science, not as an ideology but as a method, is discipline. You must be self-disciplined enough to challenge the herd, collect and deliberate and form a conclusion based on higher forms of evidence. Not doing so does not make one stupid, it makes them human. Intellectually illogical she called it. However to really know and understand you must exercise some control over the human response to become intellectually logical. This was all about evidence based medicine vs science based medicine in relation to complimentary and alternative remedies where evidence is cited however I found the concept very interesting when we apply it to our current political situation. I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is. Science v The Bible people still cling on to the latter, but when reality clicks in and they become ill they choose the Science of the hospital's not the ideologies of the church. When the chips are down we have to face reality or die.There will always be the intellectually illogical and some religions still choose death over treatment and survival. As they say it's their funeral.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:05:39 GMT
I'm not sure about going against the will of the people. You seem to be forgetting the other 16 million that voted to remain. If you have a fundamental issue with them being represented I am surprised at your use of the term dictatorial... I sat in a seminar the other day about the human instinct and how it affects science vs evidence based medicine. It was said that evolutionary wise our natural instinct, crafted over thousands of years, is rather fixed. We prefer stories/anecdotes to evidence and pattern recognition and herding as survivalist mechanisms force quick rather than considered decisions. What allowed the creation and development of science, not as an ideology but as a method, is discipline. You must be self-disciplined enough to challenge the herd, collect and deliberate and form a conclusion based on higher forms of evidence. Not doing so does not make one stupid, it makes them human. Intellectually illogical she called it. However to really know and understand you must exercise some control over the human response to become intellectually logical. This was all about evidence based medicine vs science based medicine in relation to complimentary and alternative remedies where evidence is cited however I found the concept very interesting when we apply it to our current political situation. I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is. Science v The Bible people still cling on to the latter, but when reality clicks in and they become ill they choose the Science of the hospital's not the ideologies of the church. When the chips are down we have to face reality or die.There will always be the intellectually illogical and some religions still choose death over treatment and survival. As they say it's their funeral. Probably unintended, but I thought this statement from Al perfectly described the Leaver argument. "I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is." 🏌️♂️
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Post by althepirate on Jun 2, 2019 13:25:22 GMT
I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is. Science v The Bible people still cling on to the latter, but when reality clicks in and they become ill they choose the Science of the hospital's not the ideologies of the church. When the chips are down we have to face reality or die.There will always be the intellectually illogical and some religions still choose death over treatment and survival. As they say it's their funeral. Probably unintended, but I thought this statement from Al perfectly described the Leaver argument. "I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is." 🏌️♂️ On the contrary Oldie that is my point we don't know the reality of Brexit or anything else until we do it. Its Remainers who know it will be awful because the fortune tellers, (journalists) have been giving predictions (opinions) I personally face the reality that we don't know because human beings can't predict the future no matter what the 'experts' on both sides say.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:38:38 GMT
Probably unintended, but I thought this statement from Al perfectly described the Leaver argument. "I completly agree Officer its exactly what I've been saying on this thread we have to come down on the side of reality because facing reality makes us stable even when we don't know what reality is." 🏌️♂️ On the contrary Oldie that is my point we don't know the reality of Brexit or anything else until we do it. Its Remainers who know it will be awful because the fortune tellers, (journalists) have been giving predictions (opinions) I personally face the reality that we don't know because human beings can't predict the future no matter what the 'experts' on both sides say. So, in summary, you are always in favour of making decisions, or taking an action, when you have no idea of what the outcome will be? So I guess you see no problem with taking out a mortgage at twice the value of your property, on the basis that the outcome of doing so cannot be predicted?
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