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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 9:51:40 GMT
key take aways
The EU is currently in free-trade negotiations with Australia and with South America's Mercosur trade bloc, of which Argentina and Uruguay are members
Europe is also offering to start negotiations on a trade deal with the United States to remove import duties on industrial goods
The trade talks are part of an agreement struck last year between Commission chief Jean-Claude Juncker and U.S. President Donald Trump, under which the United States agreed not to impose punitive tariffs on EU car imports while the two sides sought to improve transatlantic trade ties.
Shame it morphed from a trading group into a power mad organisation stretching into other areas of our lives then? There would never have been a referendum if it had stayed as it was intended and what the UK initially voted for in the early seventies. Yawn. How many times does Stuart have to show that this baloney is not true? How many times did the good Officer ask you to name an example, and you never did. Keep believing it if it makes you feel better.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:08:01 GMT
Shame it morphed from a trading group into a power mad organisation stretching into other areas of our lives then? There would never have been a referendum if it had stayed as it was intended and what the UK initially voted for in the early seventies. Yawn. How many times does Stuart have to show that this baloney is not true? How many times did the good Officer ask you to name an example, and you never did. Keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Yawn. I think you need to take that blindfold off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 10:44:02 GMT
Shame it morphed from a trading group into a power mad organisation stretching into other areas of our lives then? There would never have been a referendum if it had stayed as it was intended and what the UK initially voted for in the early seventies. Yawn. How many times does Stuart have to show that this baloney is not true? How many times did the good Officer ask you to name an example, and you never did. Keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Here's the thing Oldie. IF, as you claim, the EU has no effect on our lives, why are we paying 20 billion+ a year to be part of it? Why not use that money to be spent in the UK and then strike up an FTA with the EU? We'd have the Trade, and like you claim, the EU doesn't effect us in any way, so there is no need to be in it!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2019 13:09:56 GMT
Yawn. How many times does Stuart have to show that this baloney is not true? How many times did the good Officer ask you to name an example, and you never did. Keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Yawn. I think you need to take that blindfold off. I've listed my 'non trade' reasons for voting leave before but they were conveniently ignored. Remainers have no interest in others views and will only rest when they get their own way and democracy overturned. The attitude of the minority and acted upon by vocal professional protestors and some MP's is to disrupt and frustrate the process and bore Leave into submission rather than acknowledge the reality which is most people want out of what the EU has become.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 15, 2019 7:00:56 GMT
Yawn. I think you need to take that blindfold off. I've listed my 'non trade' reasons for voting leave before but they were conveniently ignored. Remainers have no interest in others views and will only rest when they get their own way and democracy overturned. The attitude of the minority and acted upon by vocal professional protestors and some MP's is to disrupt and frustrate the process and bore Leave into submission rather than acknowledge the reality which is most people want out of what the EU has become. Leavers are equally Just as guilty of not listening to or even acknowledging what a slim mandate they have to make such a massive decision on. Forcing through a no deal brexit is just as undemocratic, but I don't expect any leavers to listen or even acknowledge that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 7:40:17 GMT
I've listed my 'non trade' reasons for voting leave before but they were conveniently ignored. Remainers have no interest in others views and will only rest when they get their own way and democracy overturned. The attitude of the minority and acted upon by vocal professional protestors and some MP's is to disrupt and frustrate the process and bore Leave into submission rather than acknowledge the reality which is most people want out of what the EU has become. Leavers are equally Just as guilty of not listening to or even acknowledging what a slim mandate they have to make such a massive decision on. Forcing through a no deal brexit is just as undemocratic, but I don't expect any leavers to listen or even acknowledge that. The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on Jun 15, 2019 8:01:38 GMT
Leavers are equally Just as guilty of not listening to or even acknowledging what a slim mandate they have to make such a massive decision on. Forcing through a no deal brexit is just as undemocratic, but I don't expect any leavers to listen or even acknowledge that. The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can. No I haven't. Sure, they won but it's like being pleased you won Russian roulette. We won! We won! BANG!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 8:51:46 GMT
The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can. No I haven't. Sure, they won but it's like being pleased you won Russian roulette. We won! We won! BANG! Ha ha, well exactly Hugo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:29:00 GMT
Leavers are equally Just as guilty of not listening to or even acknowledging what a slim mandate they have to make such a massive decision on. Forcing through a no deal brexit is just as undemocratic, but I don't expect any leavers to listen or even acknowledge that. The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can. I will ask again then. IF, as you claim, the EU has no real impact on our lives, then why are we paying 20+ BILLION a year to be in it? Why not spend that money in the UK and get an FTA with the EU? Right there is the first huge benefit of Leaving, 20 billion a year.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2019 14:38:21 GMT
The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can. I will ask again then. IF, as you claim, the EU has no real impact on our lives, then why are we paying 20+ BILLION a year to be in it? Why not spend that money in the UK and get an FTA with the EU? Right there is the first huge benefit of Leaving, 20 billion a year. Not ignoring you, been a long week at work, including today!! So much for retirementđź‘»
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Post by devonblue on Jun 15, 2019 20:17:35 GMT
Brexshit means Brexshit, end of
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 20:32:15 GMT
Leavers are equally Just as guilty of not listening to or even acknowledging what a slim mandate they have to make such a massive decision on. Forcing through a no deal brexit is just as undemocratic, but I don't expect any leavers to listen or even acknowledge that. The thing is, we are listening, but we do not hear anything. Have you read a coherent argument Hugo that details why we should leave, what the great benefits will be? Happy to be proved wrong if you can. What, is “LEAVE MEANS LEAVE” not good enough for you or something?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2019 20:46:35 GMT
Given how Johnson appears to be steam rolling his way to victory I’m resigned to no deal now and wish they would just bloody well get on with it so we can sit back and watch the UK burn.
Those who were incredulous and mocked Americans for electing Trump will now need to look closer to home because Johnson as PM presiding over a no deal Brexit knocks that into a cocked hat. It’s next level f**k-wittery and we, the British public can only blame ourselves because it’s all in our name.
The only silver lining I can see is a prediction that if no deal comes to pass it will be the end of right wing politics in Britain for an age. The misery that no deal is predicted to unleash will be career suicide for the tories and Farage and in 10 years time we will be going back to Europe cap in hand and begging them to have us back. I’d like to think I’m wrong and no deal means everyone will be on massive wages with a big pension and the poor are all lighting cigars with £50 notes...but we all know the reality of politics and if the tories are pushing hard for no deal it can only mean the absolute worst for the proletariat.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 13:23:52 GMT
Yawn. How many times does Stuart have to show that this baloney is not true? How many times did the good Officer ask you to name an example, and you never did. Keep believing it if it makes you feel better. Here's the thing Oldie. IF, as you claim, the EU has no effect on our lives, why are we paying 20 billion+ a year to be part of it? Why not use that money to be spent in the UK and then strike up an FTA with the EU? We'd have the Trade, and like you claim, the EU doesn't effect us in any way, so there is no need to be in it! Back (Hi Eric, đź‘») So Nobby, I dont think I ever claimed that being a member of the EU has had no effect on our lives, I rather think it has, for the better. What I had asked when people, like Eric, say they want to leave because of the EU effect on their lives, is how exactly. What has happened that has affected that person so badly, or in anyway at all, that they want out. I honestly have never read an answer to that question, not just on here but anywhere. On this forum I have asked it, Stuart has asked it as has the good officer. I may have missed it, but they did not get a response either. Did you watch the C4 Tory Leadership debate last night. It was laughable. All claiming they have a way to get a deal with the EU all (except Raab (where is Dover?)), stating that no deal will be terrible for the country and WTO is not the solution, but none could explain how. The last bit was utterly nauseating. Asked what their priorities would be as PM, the universal theme seemed to be children. This from a bunch of parasites who gleefully invoked austerity which when it comes to the affect on children has A) Cut educational spending per head in real terms B) Slashed Sure Start funding by 75% C) Made a Horlix of Universal Credit which has driven families into abject poverty and homelessness D) Witnessed a massive rise in the use of food banks. They wonder why people voted Leave, it was their only outlet to vent their anger. Now the Nationalists have hijacked their pain for their own dubious ends. Oh, and they are all Tories, or worse (is that possible?) Where is my gun.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 14:20:57 GMT
Here's the thing Oldie. IF, as you claim, the EU has no effect on our lives, why are we paying 20 billion+ a year to be part of it? Why not use that money to be spent in the UK and then strike up an FTA with the EU? We'd have the Trade, and like you claim, the EU doesn't effect us in any way, so there is no need to be in it! Back (Hi Eric, đź‘») So Nobby, I dont think I ever claimed that being a member of the EU has had no effect on our lives, I rather think it has, for the better. What I had asked when people, like Eric, say they want to leave because of the EU effect on their lives, is how exactly. What has happened that has affected that person so badly, or in anyway at all, that they want out. I honestly have never read an answer to that question, not just on here but anywhere. On this forum I have asked it, Stuart has asked it as has the good officer. I may have missed it, but they did not get a response either. Did you watch the C4 Tory Leadership debate last night. It was laughable. All claiming they have a way to get a deal with the EU all (except Raab (where is Dover?)), stating that no deal will be terrible for the country and WTO is not the solution, but none could explain how. The last bit was utterly nauseating. Asked what their priorities would be as PM, the universal theme seemed to be children. This from a bunch of parasites who gleefully invoked austerity which when it comes to the affect on children has A) Cut educational spending per head in real terms B) Slashed Sure Start funding by 75% C) Made a Horlix of Universal Credit which has driven families into abject poverty and homelessness D) Witnessed a massive rise in the use of food banks. They wonder why people voted Leave, it was their only outlet to vent their anger. Now the Nationalists have hijacked their pain for their own dubious ends. Oh, and they are all Tories, or worse (is that possible?) Where is my gun. Nope, I didn't watch the 'debate'. No point really. If any of them stated that they will not leave on Oct 31st, then they shouldn't even bother trying to become PM. If the new PM does not leave the EU on Oct 31st, then they and their party, are finished. I wish you'd stop banging on about austerity. You are well aware that government spending is at an all-time high as you yourself keep spouting on about government borrowing! Austerity is a bit of a myth. It didn't really happen. It was just the government decreasing the amount they borrow, even though government borrowing is still at a record-high! Just who are these 'Nationalists'?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2019 15:01:14 GMT
Back (Hi Eric, đź‘») So Nobby, I dont think I ever claimed that being a member of the EU has had no effect on our lives, I rather think it has, for the better. What I had asked when people, like Eric, say they want to leave because of the EU effect on their lives, is how exactly. What has happened that has affected that person so badly, or in anyway at all, that they want out. I honestly have never read an answer to that question, not just on here but anywhere. On this forum I have asked it, Stuart has asked it as has the good officer. I may have missed it, but they did not get a response either. Did you watch the C4 Tory Leadership debate last night. It was laughable. All claiming they have a way to get a deal with the EU all (except Raab (where is Dover?)), stating that no deal will be terrible for the country and WTO is not the solution, but none could explain how. The last bit was utterly nauseating. Asked what their priorities would be as PM, the universal theme seemed to be children. This from a bunch of parasites who gleefully invoked austerity which when it comes to the affect on children has A) Cut educational spending per head in real terms B) Slashed Sure Start funding by 75% C) Made a Horlix of Universal Credit which has driven families into abject poverty and homelessness D) Witnessed a massive rise in the use of food banks. They wonder why people voted Leave, it was their only outlet to vent their anger. Now the Nationalists have hijacked their pain for their own dubious ends. Oh, and they are all Tories, or worse (is that possible?) Where is my gun. Nope, I didn't watch the 'debate'. No point really. If any of them stated that they will not leave on Oct 31st, then they shouldn't even bother trying to become PM. If the new PM does not leave the EU on Oct 31st, then they and their party, are finished. I wish you'd stop banging on about austerity. You are well aware that government spending is at an all-time high as you yourself keep spouting on about government borrowing! Austerity is a bit of a myth. It didn't really happen. It was just the government decreasing the amount they borrow, even though government borrowing is still at a record-high! Just who are these 'Nationalists'? Austerity is a bit of a myth? I hope you are just trying to be humourous otherwise you have seriously lost the plot. Come and spend a day with me trying to get equipment for my son or an appointment with a specialist.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 15:26:45 GMT
Nope, I didn't watch the 'debate'. No point really. If any of them stated that they will not leave on Oct 31st, then they shouldn't even bother trying to become PM. If the new PM does not leave the EU on Oct 31st, then they and their party, are finished. I wish you'd stop banging on about austerity. You are well aware that government spending is at an all-time high as you yourself keep spouting on about government borrowing! Austerity is a bit of a myth. It didn't really happen. It was just the government decreasing the amount they borrow, even though government borrowing is still at a record-high! Just who are these 'Nationalists'? Austerity is a bit of a myth? I hope you are just trying to be humourous otherwise you have seriously lost the plot. Come and spend a day with me trying to get equipment for my son or an appointment with a specialist. Stuart, sorry to hear if you are having problems getting stuff you need, but this goes back to the debate needed about NHS reform. The NHS now receive more money than they ever have, with the extra 20 billion announced a while back. We all know that the NHS is a bottom-less pit regarding finances. What is needed is reform, but as long as the NHS is treated like a religion it will never happen. Bloomberg ranks the UK healthcare at No. 35 Bloomberg I know this article is just one, but it ranks the NHS as the 19th in the world. Best healthcare in the world
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Post by stuart1974 on Jun 17, 2019 15:53:05 GMT
Austerity is a bit of a myth? I hope you are just trying to be humourous otherwise you have seriously lost the plot. Come and spend a day with me trying to get equipment for my son or an appointment with a specialist. Stuart, sorry to hear if you are having problems getting stuff you need, but this goes back to the debate needed about NHS reform. The NHS now receive more money than they ever have, with the extra 20 billion announced a while back. We all know that the NHS is a bottom-less pit regarding finances. What is needed is reform, but as long as the NHS is treated like a religion it will never happen. Bloomberg ranks the UK healthcare at No. 35 Bloomberg  I know this article is just one, but it ranks the NHS as the 19th in the world. Best healthcare in the world Nice try, but please stop. The issues are not just NHS but also education, local government and Social security to name the main ones. We have needed to approach several charities for extra funding and we are the lucky ones as we have good jobs and the werewithal to fight. Several of our peers continue to live in inappropriate housing or lack basic items. The difference between pre 2010 which was hard enough and now is huge. I am being restrained in my wording by the way.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2019 16:02:37 GMT
Austerity is a bit of a myth? I hope you are just trying to be humourous otherwise you have seriously lost the plot. Come and spend a day with me trying to get equipment for my son or an appointment with a specialist. Stuart, sorry to hear if you are having problems getting stuff you need, but this goes back to the debate needed about NHS reform. The NHS now receive more money than they ever have, with the extra 20 billion announced a while back. We all know that the NHS is a bottom-less pit regarding finances. What is needed is reform, but as long as the NHS is treated like a religion it will never happen. Bloomberg ranks the UK healthcare at No. 35 Bloomberg I know this article is just one, but it ranks the NHS as the 19th in the world. Best healthcare in the worldTotally agree. It does need reform but any mention of change meets a hysterical response. Funding the NHS at outset was quite straightforward as the costs were manageable. Walk into any department of a hospital now and just look at the equipment in every room, hi tech scanning equipment etc costs an absolute fortune before you even add in the cost of Dr's, nurses, managers, admin etc.... I've had the misfortune to require the NHS way too much in the past few years but delays have been minimal and the treatment excellent.
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