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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 18:15:08 GMT
No, that was the deal with the USA. This is with Mercosur. Sorry US get a bigger share or meat quota. So a trade deal done with mercosur. So still no evidence that we are we are going to be flooded with cheap meat then nobbyThat is not what the Irish and French think ! RTE"The EU's new deal with the Mercosur bloc of South American countries will "decimate" the beef market here, according to the Irish Farmers' Association. Speaking on RTÉ's This Week programme, the IFA's National Livestock Chairman Angus Woods said farmers were not overreacting to the deal, and that it will be devastating for Irish beef farmers. Mr Woods said the consequences of the deal would be worse than a hard Brexit and that the beef coming through from South America would not be the same quality, and was sub-standard. He said that Irish beef farmers were producing their beef by European standards and argued the deal would impact on every parish around Ireland. " Politico"French President Emmanuel Macron and three other national leaders warned the European Commission that a trade deal with the Latin American trading bloc Mercosur "could ultimately destabilize production and the agricultural sector." In a letter to Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, obtained by POLITICO, Macron, Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Belgian PM Charles Michel and Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki wrote: "We would like to express our deep concern on a number of issues concerning the current negotiation with Mercosur including on some sensitive agricultural products." As early as next week, EU negotiators could strike a deal with the Mercosur bloc of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay, which will give the Latin Americans unprecedented access to Europe's agricultural markets in exchange for buying industrial products from the EU such as German cars. The four heads of government emphasized in the letter, dated June 17, that the tariff-free import quota for beef — expected to be 99,000 tons — "could threaten this fragile sector in our countries" and demanded that the quotas for beef, poultry, pork, sugar and ethanol must not be increased anymore. Mr Woods said the EU Commission believes there is a massive win in this for other sectors, and that it is willing to let the beef industry "take a hit" to achieve it."
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Post by peterparker on Jul 1, 2019 19:00:31 GMT
Sorry US get a bigger share or meat quota. So a trade deal done with mercosur. So still no evidence that we are we are going to be flooded with cheap meat then nobbyThat is not what the Irish and French think ! RTE"The EU's new deal with the Mercosur bloc of South American countries will "decimate" the beef market here, according to the Irish Farmers' Association. Speaking on RTÉ's This Week programme, the IFA's National Livestock Chairman Angus Woods said farmers were not overreacting to the deal, and that it will be devastating for Irish beef farmers. Mr Woods said the consequences of the deal would be worse than a hard Brexit and that the beef coming through from South America would not be the same quality, and was sub-standard. He said that Irish beef farmers were producing their beef by European standards and argued the deal would impact on every parish around Ireland. " Politico"French President Emmanuel Macron and three other national leaders warned the European Commission that a trade deal with the Latin American trading bloc Mercosur "could ultimately destabilize production and the agricultural sector." In a letter to Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, obtained by POLITICO, Macron, Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Belgian PM Charles Michel and Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki wrote: "We would like to express our deep concern on a number of issues concerning the current negotiation with Mercosur including on some sensitive agricultural products." As early as next week, EU negotiators could strike a deal with the Mercosur bloc of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay, which will give the Latin Americans unprecedented access to Europe's agricultural markets in exchange for buying industrial products from the EU such as German cars. The four heads of government emphasized in the letter, dated June 17, that the tariff-free import quota for beef — expected to be 99,000 tons — "could threaten this fragile sector in our countries" and demanded that the quotas for beef, poultry, pork, sugar and ethanol must not be increased anymore. Mr Woods said the EU Commission believes there is a massive win in this for other sectors, and that it is willing to let the beef industry "take a hit" to achieve it." Much better when you provide evidence of something nobby. So are we to beleive that the EU are going to allow in beef and other meat that doesnt meet the standards
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:07:09 GMT
That is not what the Irish and French think ! RTE"The EU's new deal with the Mercosur bloc of South American countries will "decimate" the beef market here, according to the Irish Farmers' Association. Speaking on RTÉ's This Week programme, the IFA's National Livestock Chairman Angus Woods said farmers were not overreacting to the deal, and that it will be devastating for Irish beef farmers. Mr Woods said the consequences of the deal would be worse than a hard Brexit and that the beef coming through from South America would not be the same quality, and was sub-standard. He said that Irish beef farmers were producing their beef by European standards and argued the deal would impact on every parish around Ireland. " Politico"French President Emmanuel Macron and three other national leaders warned the European Commission that a trade deal with the Latin American trading bloc Mercosur "could ultimately destabilize production and the agricultural sector." In a letter to Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker, obtained by POLITICO, Macron, Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, Belgian PM Charles Michel and Polish PM Mateusz Morawiecki wrote: "We would like to express our deep concern on a number of issues concerning the current negotiation with Mercosur including on some sensitive agricultural products." As early as next week, EU negotiators could strike a deal with the Mercosur bloc of Brazil, Argentina, Uruguay and Paraguay, which will give the Latin Americans unprecedented access to Europe's agricultural markets in exchange for buying industrial products from the EU such as German cars. The four heads of government emphasized in the letter, dated June 17, that the tariff-free import quota for beef — expected to be 99,000 tons — "could threaten this fragile sector in our countries" and demanded that the quotas for beef, poultry, pork, sugar and ethanol must not be increased anymore. Mr Woods said the EU Commission believes there is a massive win in this for other sectors, and that it is willing to let the beef industry "take a hit" to achieve it." Much better when you provide evidence of something nobby. So are we to beleive that the EU are going to allow in beef and other meat that doesnt meet the standards If I go to a steakhouse here, they will usually offer beef from Argentina, Ireland, Australia and Namibia, so they must meet the standards already?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:12:39 GMT
No, that was the deal with the USA. This is with Mercosur. Sorry US get a bigger share or meat quota. So a trade deal done with mercosur. So still no evidence that we are we are going to be flooded with cheap meat then nobby Let's talk Gammon 😜
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 1, 2019 19:32:15 GMT
Just to put this into context, EU beef consumption is something like 7.8 million tonnes pa.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 1, 2019 19:40:01 GMT
Much better when you provide evidence of something nobby. So are we to beleive that the EU are going to allow in beef and other meat that doesnt meet the standards If I go to a steakhouse here, they will usually offer beef from Argentina, Ireland, Australia and Namibia, so they must meet the standards already? So is Mr Woods chatting rubbish?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:43:29 GMT
If I go to a steakhouse here, they will usually offer beef from Argentina, Ireland, Australia and Namibia, so they must meet the standards already? So is Mr Woods chatting rubbish? No idea if he is or not. I'm just mentioning my personal experience of eating beef in the EU now !
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2019 19:45:43 GMT
Just to put this into context, EU beef consumption is something like 7.8 million tonnes pa. Stuart - Best go tell the Irish, French, Polish and Belgium leader's that they have nothing to worry about then That should also calm Oldie down as well as he was spitting feathers at the prospect of the poor British farmer's being wiped out be cheaper imports of meat !
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 1, 2019 22:40:10 GMT
Just to put this into context, EU beef consumption is something like 7.8 million tonnes pa. Stuart - Best go tell the Irish, French, Polish and Belgium leader's that they have nothing to worry about then That should also calm Oldie down as well as he was spitting feathers at the prospect of the poor British farmer's being wiped out be cheaper imports of meat ! Well, if they are genuinely worried then they can club together and block the deal when it comes to the EU Council sometime in the next year or two for ratification. Not sure about Oldie's concerns, I thought he was referring to WTO terms which is a genuine worry.
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Post by peterparker on Jul 2, 2019 7:07:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 8:31:45 GMT
Stuart - Best go tell the Irish, French, Polish and Belgium leader's that they have nothing to worry about then That should also calm Oldie down as well as he was spitting feathers at the prospect of the poor British farmer's being wiped out be cheaper imports of meat ! Well, if they are genuinely worried then they can club together and block the deal when it comes to the EU Council sometime in the next year or two for ratification. Not sure about Oldie's concerns, I thought he was referring to WTO terms which is a genuine worry. Precisely. Nobby is doing a Trump on this. When he countered that if we faced WTO tariffs that could cause consumers to pay a lot more we could just import cheap meat from places like Argentina. Which of course is true. But in one foul swoop you would wipe out a big % of our agriculture. With no upside...except cheap meat, no food security and unemployment. I have not read the detail of this deal, but the top line potential numbers look large and attractive, overall. So, assuming the EU has negotiated a deal that in the round is a huge potential benefit to economic activity within the EU (including us, potentially) then that's a trade off one can understand. Hugely different than just "giving" our market to countries like Argentina with no counter balance upside. In addition, one of the arguments against the EU, made by Nobby, was that it was protectionist, particularly when one leading country has a huge vested interest (France) Doesn't this deal, if it passes, blow another hole in that argument?
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 2, 2019 9:17:25 GMT
Well, if they are genuinely worried then they can club together and block the deal when it comes to the EU Council sometime in the next year or two for ratification. Not sure about Oldie's concerns, I thought he was referring to WTO terms which is a genuine worry. Precisely. Nobby is doing a Trump on this. When he countered that if we faced WTO tariffs that could cause consumers to pay a lot more we could just import cheap meat from places like Argentina. Which of course is true. But in one foul swoop you would wipe out a big % of our agriculture. With no upside...except cheap meat, no food security and unemployment. I have not read the detail of this deal, but the top line potential numbers look large and attractive, overall. So, assuming the EU has negotiated a deal that in the round is a huge potential benefit to economic activity within the EU (including us, potentially) then that's a trade off one can understand. Hugely different than just "giving" our market to countries like Argentina with no counter balance upside. In addition, one of the arguments against the EU, made by Nobby, was that it was protectionist, particularly when one leading country has a huge vested interest (France) Doesn't this deal, if it passes, blow another hole in that argument? I do get a sense that this thread has become analogous to Wack-a-mole. Counter a series of arguments and then the original argument countered a few pages earlier returns. 😏
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Post by stuart1974 on Jul 2, 2019 9:24:17 GMT
Annunziata Rees Mogg was on Sky just now, her turning her back during the EU Anthem was making a point while the Lib Dems wearing Bollocks to Brexit T Shirts was childish.
The EU process of selecting the new posts was horsetrading while the Conservative party leadership and therefore PM to us all is democratic.
The irony.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 9:41:40 GMT
Precisely. Nobby is doing a Trump on this. When he countered that if we faced WTO tariffs that could cause consumers to pay a lot more we could just import cheap meat from places like Argentina. Which of course is true. But in one foul swoop you would wipe out a big % of our agriculture. With no upside...except cheap meat, no food security and unemployment. I have not read the detail of this deal, but the top line potential numbers look large and attractive, overall. So, assuming the EU has negotiated a deal that in the round is a huge potential benefit to economic activity within the EU (including us, potentially) then that's a trade off one can understand. Hugely different than just "giving" our market to countries like Argentina with no counter balance upside. In addition, one of the arguments against the EU, made by Nobby, was that it was protectionist, particularly when one leading country has a huge vested interest (France) Doesn't this deal, if it passes, blow another hole in that argument? I do get a sense that this thread has become analogous to Wack-a-mole. Counter a series of arguments and then the original argument countered a few pages earlier returns. 😏 Totally. They keep popping up dont they.
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Post by South Stand Ultra on Jul 2, 2019 11:09:40 GMT
I do get a sense that this thread has become analogous to Wack-a-mole. Counter a series of arguments and then the original argument countered a few pages earlier returns. 😏 Totally. They keep popping up dont they.
That's because leavers will argue their point.
You how ever, you won't, you'll just ignore it and hope it goes away, and if it doesn't you'll post up pointless web-pages hoping to divert the attention...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 11:19:13 GMT
Totally. They keep popping up dont they.
That's because leavers will argue their point.
You how ever, you won't, you'll just ignore it and hope it goes away, and if it doesn't you'll post up pointless web-pages hoping to divert the attention... You sure you are reading and understanding the points being made? If so and you feel the need to counter them do so, rather than worry about my motivations and actions? If you are able of course.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 13:01:54 GMT
Totally. They keep popping up dont they.
That's because leavers will argue their point.
You how ever, you won't, you'll just ignore it and hope it goes away, and if it doesn't you'll post up pointless web-pages hoping to divert the attention... SSU - Just block his posts. Most on here on both sides of the fence make useful points in a reasonable way. Only one nasty, intolerant bigot - healthier to ignore. UTG.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 13:07:41 GMT
That's because leavers will argue their point.
You how ever, you won't, you'll just ignore it and hope it goes away, and if it doesn't you'll post up pointless web-pages hoping to divert the attention... SSU - Just block his posts. Most on here on both sides of the fence make useful points in a reasonable way. Only one nasty, intolerant bigot - healthier to ignore. UTG. 😂😂
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:08:46 GMT
Oh, Yes please, it means she can add up. "Von der Leyen, 60, who speaks fluent English and French and studied at the London School of Economics" Women to head top EU institutions for first time flip.it/mH-gpT
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Post by Deleted on Jul 2, 2019 18:12:39 GMT
Meanwhile, our own government tells us that a disorderly no deal might cost £90 Billion. Umm
But Boris tells us he has the answer. "Think Positive"
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