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Post by oldgas on May 2, 2020 10:52:15 GMT
I see Gove has been at the dispatch box stating our trade talk position He says there will be no border down the Irish Sea, clearly contradicted be everything he then goes on to outline It's like a broken record isn't it. State one thing, do the opposite, prevent questioning. A bit like Labour then, although that old fool Corbyn was so confused, probably by Dianne's maths, that no-one was ever entirely sure. Oh, how much better off we'd all be now if only Labour had won the election!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 11:28:30 GMT
It's like a broken record isn't it. State one thing, do the opposite, prevent questioning. A bit like Labour then, although that old fool Corbyn was so confused, probably by Dianne's maths, that no-one was ever entirely sure. Oh, how much better off we'd all be now if only Labour had won the election! I bet my dad can beat your dad up
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Post by oldgas on May 2, 2020 15:05:28 GMT
Remember when the Electoral Commission reported Aaron Banks to the National Crime Agency (NCA). All their claims about him receiving money from Russia etc etc. The judgement was delivered today, and guess what. The NCA didn't find a single piece of evidence against him. The Electoral Commission did not have a single piece of evidence against him. The case was dismissed. The link is a good read and I don't expect to see this being carried in much of the media. This case was a politically motivated attack by the Electoral Commission. Order-OrderAllegations were made, no evidence, case thrown out? Don't see what the big deal is? Are you saying allegations cannot be made, and then in the next sentence making your own allegations against the electoral commission? If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says?
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2020 20:29:21 GMT
Allegations were made, no evidence, case thrown out? Don't see what the big deal is? Are you saying allegations cannot be made, and then in the next sentence making your own allegations against the electoral commission? If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says? What??
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Post by aghast on May 3, 2020 11:49:33 GMT
Allegations were made, no evidence, case thrown out? Don't see what the big deal is? Are you saying allegations cannot be made, and then in the next sentence making your own allegations against the electoral commission? If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says? Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30?
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 11:55:26 GMT
If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says? Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30? Don't bite, the bloke is two parts nuts
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Post by oldgas on May 3, 2020 12:11:53 GMT
A bit like Labour then, although that old fool Corbyn was so confused, probably by Dianne's maths, that no-one was ever entirely sure. Oh, how much better off we'd all be now if only Labour had won the election! I bet my dad can beat your dad up He'll have to do it through a Medium!
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Post by oldgas on May 3, 2020 12:16:37 GMT
If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says? Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30? You obviously didn't have a private pension those bastards destroyed then. Also, I believe there was a great distrust regarding waiting times etc. There were even suggestions that 'evidence' used had been massaged to support government claims. Surely not!
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 15:17:18 GMT
If I remember correctly Gordon Brown, surely one of, if not the worst Prime Ministers we have ever had was behind this EC enquiry. As an arch Remainer and worried that leave might win the referendum, he wrote to the commission complaining, without providing any actual evidence, that they had overspent. This is the idiot who sold off the nations good at rock bottom prices to fund his pet socialist projects, and at the same time destroyed people's pensions for the same reason. And people listen to anything he says? Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30? During this current crisis, the amount of people going to A&E has dropped by 50%. There is your real drop in waiting times. Too many people were going to the A&E departments when they had no need to.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 3, 2020 15:54:42 GMT
Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30? During this current crisis, the amount of people going to A&E has dropped by 50%. There is your real drop in waiting times. Too many people were going to the A&E departments when they had no need to. Some perhaps, but I'd wager it was partly because they couldn't get GP appointments. The drop is too great and I know that staff are concerned that many are staying away due to fear of getting Covid 19 who ought to be in hospital.
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 3, 2020 18:55:34 GMT
During this current crisis, the amount of people going to A&E has dropped by 50%. There is your real drop in waiting times. Too many people were going to the A&E departments when they had no need to. Some perhaps, but I'd wager it was partly because they couldn't get GP appointments. The drop is too great and I know that staff are concerned that many are staying away due to fear of getting Covid 19 who ought to be in hospital. I know a couple who are both paramedics and they said they have never been quieter because less people are calling them for stupid and unnecessary things and because pubs are shut.
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Post by stuart1974 on May 3, 2020 19:10:20 GMT
Some perhaps, but I'd wager it was partly because they couldn't get GP appointments. The drop is too great and I know that staff are concerned that many are staying away due to fear of getting Covid 19 who ought to be in hospital. I know a couple who are both paramedics and they said they have never been quieter because less people are calling them for stupid and unnecessary things and because pubs are shut. I can believe that although my experience is more in paediatrics. Children's A&E was empty the other day. Very surreal.
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Post by oldgas on May 3, 2020 19:48:43 GMT
Do you mean pet socialist projects like reducing NHS waiting times to levels not seen for 30 years, or perhaps reducing state school class sizes to below 30? Don't bite, the bloke is two parts nuts Because he has a different view to yours? Typical Leftie intolerant viewpoint.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2020 20:21:45 GMT
Don't bite, the bloke is two parts nuts Because he has a different view to yours? Typical Leftie intolerant viewpoint. I really don't want to debate with you, least of all in a thread that has been done to death and the outcome of its main point long since been concluded. If however you would like, under a new thread, to articulate how your personal pension plan was heavily impacted by the sale of gold, I would be interested. Especially when the vast majority of private pension plans are vested into a broad range of market segments.
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Post by trevorgas on May 3, 2020 21:25:37 GMT
Some perhaps, but I'd wager it was partly because they couldn't get GP appointments. The drop is too great and I know that staff are concerned that many are staying away due to fear of getting Covid 19 who ought to be in hospital. I know a couple who are both paramedics and they said they have never been quieter because less people are calling them for stupid and unnecessary things and because pubs are shut. I agree that there must be a fair number of folk who should be going to A&E but for whatever reason are staying away. It's interesting the anecdotal comments re unnecessary calls and the lack of demand due to pubs being closed and the usaul wild west show not taking place each Friday /Saturday is there now an opportunity to do something to ensure this continues post lockdown so extra capacity is created with no additional cost.
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Post by oldgas on May 5, 2020 11:03:24 GMT
Because he has a different view to yours? Typical Leftie intolerant viewpoint. I really don't want to debate with you, least of all in a thread that has been done to death and the outcome of its main point long since been concluded. If however you would like, under a new thread, to articulate how your personal pension plan was heavily impacted by the sale of gold, I would be interested. Especially when the vast majority of private pension plans are vested into a broad range of market segments. It's not my fault you've got a typical Left wingers closed mind. You're very good at posting left wing misleading crap. You and I both know that that idiot Brown taxed the dividends earned by the pensions industry. Brown used that taxation to fund his socialist spending plans. The result of that taxation meant that the value of the pension schemes ordinary people paid into in good faith were badly damaged, drastically reducing the pension many millions of people had been told to expect. Thats the problem with socialism, it's busted once they run out of other people's money. Brown and his socialist cronies don't want people to have financial independence and the luxury of thinking for themselves. Their only aim is to reduce everyone to dependence on the state. Just imagine the carnage if Corbyn had won the election. You voted Labour, didn't you?
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 5, 2020 11:47:10 GMT
I really don't want to debate with you, least of all in a thread that has been done to death and the outcome of its main point long since been concluded. If however you would like, under a new thread, to articulate how your personal pension plan was heavily impacted by the sale of gold, I would be interested. Especially when the vast majority of private pension plans are vested into a broad range of market segments. It's not my fault you've got a typical Left wingers closed mind. You're very good at posting left wing misleading crap. You and I both know that that idiot Brown taxed the dividends earned by the pensions industry. Brown used that taxation to fund his socialist spending plans. The result of that taxation meant that the value of the pension schemes ordinary people paid into in good faith were badly damaged, drastically reducing the pension many millions of people had been told to expect. Thats the problem with socialism, it's busted once they run out of other people's money. Brown and his socialist cronies don't want people to have financial independence and the luxury of thinking for themselves. Their only aim is to reduce everyone to dependence on the state. Just imagine the carnage if Corbyn had won the election. You voted Labour, didn't you? Tories sold off British Gas, British Airways, National Rail, British Telecom, Council Houses and they would like to finish off the Post Office and would not be surprised if the NHS is next.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 11:58:33 GMT
It's not my fault you've got a typical Left wingers closed mind. You're very good at posting left wing misleading crap. You and I both know that that idiot Brown taxed the dividends earned by the pensions industry. Brown used that taxation to fund his socialist spending plans. The result of that taxation meant that the value of the pension schemes ordinary people paid into in good faith were badly damaged, drastically reducing the pension many millions of people had been told to expect. Thats the problem with socialism, it's busted once they run out of other people's money. Brown and his socialist cronies don't want people to have financial independence and the luxury of thinking for themselves. Their only aim is to reduce everyone to dependence on the state. Just imagine the carnage if Corbyn had won the election. You voted Labour, didn't you? Tories sold off British Gas, British Airways, National Rail, British Telecom, Council Houses and they would like to finish off the Post Office and would not be surprised if the NHS is next. To be honest Hugo, oldgas is trying to provoke a debate on what happened over a decade ago. It's a bit of a "dead man's bounce"
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Post by Hugo the Elder on May 5, 2020 12:05:35 GMT
Tories sold off British Gas, British Airways, National Rail, British Telecom, Council Houses and they would like to finish off the Post Office and would not be surprised if the NHS is next. To be honest Hugo, oldgas is trying to provoke a debate on what happened over a decade ago. It's a bit of a "dead man's bounce" Yeah I know. It's the whole "Yes and" excuse. For some the Tories can be utter sh** and rather than being critical they will reply by saying "But Labour would be worse"
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2020 12:18:21 GMT
Tories sold off British Gas, British Airways, National Rail, British Telecom, Council Houses and they would like to finish off the Post Office and would not be surprised if the NHS is next. To be honest Hugo, oldgas is trying to provoke a debate on what happened over a decade ago. It's a bit of a "dead man's bounce" and you never ever bring austerity starting in 2010 in any of your postings do you Oldie. You are a hypocrite. and you never mention political acts that took place in the 1960's (especially in regard to Iran) as the blame for current affairs do you. You are a hypocrite.
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